rec.autos.simulators

LOLOL

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

yup, I have to say you are correct.

No, sorry, Windows can hardly be callsed bloatware on an Athlon XP2000+ PC
unless you're willing to call just about every other *nix or Linux OS runing
the X Windowing system/X Windows (w/ KDE, GNOME, etc) bloatware too.  Even
more amusing is that the arguably most popular of the bunch, KDE, is nothing
more than a copy of the old Windows GUI.   If you don't believe me, please,
be my guess and try it out for yourself.  Try running Windows on the same
hardware you run Linux or *nix with X Windows, you'll find the PC will
perform/run just about the same under both enviornments.  If you really want
to see your Linux system choke, try using Star Office, then we can talk
about bloatware.

...you do know you can turn these off, right?

Are you insane? Only the now essentially discontinued Win 9x OSs were
horrible at managing resources and thats when compared to the likes of
NT/2000/XP/.Net.  Windows NT4,2000,XP, and .Net all manage system resources
remarkably well.

It will.

lol, not really, personally, I find Netscape crashes the most on systems
running Linux.

...that is unfortunate you're running into these problems as Explorer rarely
crashes on Windows systems w/ an NT kernel.  Hell, if we're going to be
intellecutally honest here, Explorer rarely crashes on a well maintained Win
9x system, its just that the likely hood of it crashing under win
nt/2k/xp/.net is much much smaller. Although better Explorer crashes in Win
than X crashing in *nix/linux which unfortunately, frequently does happen.

This really doesn't make sense.  You could just as easily say it doesn't
matter how fast the PC is when any other non Win OS is running on it.

Honestly I always giggle when I hear people say this, in no time at all
they're back to using Windows.  Who knows, maybe you'll be the overwhelming
odds and it will be true in your case.  Good luck

By in large you'll be limited to Open GL games, and its too bad for you that
Direct X's popularity is on the rise and arguably more popular than Open GL
is now a days.

Really?  I haven't seen any cache to a great degree, I wish they would.
At least I haven't noticed any cached data left behind after the game was
removed.

I haven't noticed any impact the number of blocks free either.  Like for
ripping CDs into it.

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:
: > Who says there's not supposed to be any installation? What mythology is
: > this?
:
:   The irony is, of course, the XBox cache's data to the hard disk, in some
: cases large amounts.  The difference between this and "installation" is
: purely semantics.
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Don't worry about it, you couldn't afford my services anyway as they're
$150 per hour with a 4-hour minimum.  If you even call me you're out
$600.  Of course, a lot of that is to pay for the test equipment I use.
The SONET BERT set alone costs over $45,000.

Actually, no, my ex was so computer illiterate that she called the
exterminator to try and get rid of the mouse.  Tell her to click on
a screen icon and she'd look for Harrison Ford.  She couldn't type,
either.  She thought Caps Lock was in the medicine cabinet for child
safety, and she thought Tab was the diet soda in the refrigerator.

Once she asked me for a calculator and I handed her my HP Scientific
with RPN just to watch the antics of her trying to figure that one out.
After that she never wanted to see anything with an "enter" key again.

Probably the stupidest thing that ever happened to my technophobic ex
was the time the power went out and I was gone for a week.  She
couldn't set the clock on the microwave, and it won't work unless the
clock is set so she kept on running over to the 7-11 to use theirs.

Believe me, there are some super technological illiterati in this
world and my ex was one of the worst.  She wouldn't get on a chat
room and if she wanted to she couldn't ever figure out how to do it.

--
Oh, oh.  Here come those crazy aliens again.  Help me, Elllleeot!
Help me get home!  (Atari 2600 E.T. manual, worst game ever made)

DN3D used some DOS4GW, proprietary to itself.  It has it's own OS, mainly
because at the time MS-DOS still suffered from the 640K RAM limitation.
You could have 4 MB of RAM but so far as MS-DOS was concerned, you had
640K.  Which makes backwards compatability moot because if there aren't
any updates for modern equipment (it has no idea what PCI or AGP is) then
there's no chance of it running.

Guess what my solution to the DN3D problem was?  I bought the SATURN
version.  No muss, no fuss, and I like the control scheme on the good
old NiGHTs pad better anyway.

You mean the OS that's required for most commercial PC games this side
of 1996?

Not to me they're not selling any Linux.  So, basically, you're stuck
with suck-patootie games that are either six years old or text-based.
Yip-yip-yahoo.  No thanks, I'll just play my consoles.

Says who?  Even the DC does that with PSO.  I've downloaded and played
more than a few quests, as well as new ones online.

Since I don't particularly like those games (even though I have them all
for consoles) I don't play them much anyway.  Apparently, looking through
my game shelves, I was so COMPLETELY underwhelmed by the prospect of
playing UT that it's still sitting on the shelf in the wrapper waiting
for me to get around to playing it.  Which I probably never will, as I
consider FPS games to be about as much fun as your average sunburn.
It's just there to complete the collection of online DC games, that's all.

Only if the app supports it, and more than a few don't.  Try running Namco's
Ridge Racer V with the Logitech GT Force USB Wheel and see what happens.
I'll tell you what happens.  NOTHING!  IT WON'T WORK!  If you want Force
Feedback w/ RRV then you need the hard-to-find JogCon (I have one, but that's
beside the point).

Probably the same way it was on Dreamcast.  Not that I care, as the game looks
pretty stupid to me.  The cover has some stupid-looking robot wearing a punk
dreadlock hairdo holding the most ridiculous-looking chainsaw I've ever seen.
***that idiocy.  I'd rather play Beach Spikers online.

--
Oh, oh.  Here come those crazy aliens again.  Help me, Elllleeot!
Help me get home!  (Atari 2600 E.T. manual, worst game ever made)

I'm thinking troll.  NOBODY could possibly be THAT dumb...

Eldred
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Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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Hmm, sounds like YOU'RE the lazy one.  You *could* do it, but you don't want
to...

PC's are NEVER fun?!?  So what about the hundreds of people in this group who
enjoy their PC's all the time?  I have fun playing games on my PC, so your
statement is blatantly false.

Ah, an irrational fear and loathing towards an inanimate object.  Very
interesting - I suggest therapy.

Eldred
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with experience...
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How you made that jump in logic is unbelievable.  Because he likes Linux, all
his games are junk?  But then you say it's the PC's fault.  Um, make up your
mind, is it the software, or the hardware?

PC's are backwards compatible, but the OS may not be.  XP won't run old DOS
games without a bunch of tweaking, if at all.  I can run all my old DOS games
on my PC, and I'm running Win98SE.  Obviously, we have our differences.  You
can't get your stuff to run.  I(and most people here) can run what we want just
fine.  Sure, let's blame the PC, when you're the only one who can't get
anything to run.  It can't *possibly* be user error on your part, huh?  Gawd,
what an ego...
You're bordering on troll status, dude...

Eldred
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with experience...
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<whips out***>

<puts*** away>

Hmm, I'm still not impressed.

Ouch.  It's almost impossible to string together 4 horrible jokes.

I bet you used that HP to calculate your 4 hour fee mentioned earlier.
C'mon, admit it?

Make that 5 horrible jokes.

It's not hard to see why she's your EX-wife.  Spousal abuse is grounds for
divorce.  ;0)

BTW, was "illiterati" a typo or a pseudo-intellectual abuse of Latin plural?

--
Joe M.

Bordering?  He has long crossed that border and Border Patrol is in hot
pursuit.

This guy is such a pain in the ass, Doane's Pills for low back pain were
named after him.  Of course, they're not clinically proven to treat pain in
the asses. ;0)

--
Joe Marques

On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 12:29:25 -0400, "Longhorn"

instead came out sounding like this... :

Let's see, I checked my friend's Windows XP folder.  1.41 GB.  Now,
even you can't honestly say that XP requires such a large
footprint/disk space requirement to run.  When you start adding all
the other 'features' that MS throws into their OSes, however, that's
where the large footprint/disk space requirement comes in.

I know you like to say how that's all functionality, but in all
honesty an OS does not need many of the programs that come bundled in
Windows to be functional.  But the bundling of IE into the Windows OS
(which can't be removed) is not necessary, it's just another tactic to
ensure marketshare in the Internet browser market.  The bundling of
Outlook/Outlook Express is not necessary for the OS to function (and
given how Outlook/Express are the easiest email clients to hit with
viruses, I'd say their inclusion hurts the OS more than helps it).
The bundling of the WMP isn't necessary.  Etc. Especially when you
consider that 2k/XP is supposed to be a server OS as well.  There's
absoulutely no need for half or more of those programs in a server OS.

That's bloatware.  Things bundled into the OS that are not necessary
for the OS to perform it's job, and in some cases which hinder the
OS/make the OS vunerable to malicious code/attack..

Yes.  But in most cases it is only after the install.  They don't
often inform you that they are putting themselves into the system
tray.  It's easy enough to turn them off, but some of them
automatically go back into the system tray as soon as you open the
program (the Real Player is notorius for this, hence one reason why I
don't use it).

Glad to see it only got them 9 tries to get that right.  But since I'm
not running the NT kernel, nor are the majority of home users, the
fact that Windows is horrible at managing resources still stands for
most people.

And IE crashes the most on systems running Windows.  The point being?

I think I'll be running most of my programs from the command line,
rather than GUIs.  I always liked command lines better, even back in
DOS days.

However I went for a remarkably long time with very few crashes (over
a year with fewer than 10 crashes) until about a month an a half ago.
Right after downloading one of theose damn 'critical updates' from MS
for Windows.  Now I can have Explorer crash itself, literally,
multiple times within seconds (as soon as I close the first illegal
operation message, another one pops up, and sometimes a third), and
this happens EVERY SINGLE DAY now, with no exceptions.  And while I am
doing such resource intensive things like clicking on a link in a web
page, or clicking on the back button in the browser (normally in IE).

It's possible that this has happened because I am running the first
edition of Windows 98 on this machine.  However other people I know
are having simmilar problems and they run Win98SE.  I'm more inclined
to think MS is releasing bad code to try and get people to see the
'need' to upgrade to XP.  All the people I know with these crashing
problems had them start after downloading a few recent critical update
packages.

Of course you won't beleive MS would do this.  But then you also
probably didn't think MS was using unfair, and illegal, business
practices for years either.

Unless 2k/XP has fixed the over reliance of virtual memory in Windows,
the system will inevitably slow itself down soon enough.

Possibly.  But after all the ***I deal with on Windows, even going
back to DOS would be an improvement for me.

Ah, but I prefer OpenGL and Glide over DirectX anyway.  And most of
the games I play support them as well (and in some cases are
programmed in one of them first, and ported to DirectX).

------
Sam

Knowledge is power.
Power corrupts.
Study hard.
Be evil.
-Saying on a friend's T-shirt, author unknown to me.

<Snort>

For somebody without the sense to use a legacy soundcard for an 8 yr old
game!

And she was the brains of the family.  <g>

--

Fester

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they
are free.  -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
http://www.hermes-press.com/police_state.htm

Funny.  Unreal Tournament 2003 has both versions (Linux & Windows) on
it's cd's.  Look for it to become a pattern.
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/09/21/1341249&mode=thread&tid=127

Remember, this guy is too lazy to tweak anything.  One of those
gnat-sized attention spanned folk who can only grasp instant
gratification without any effort expended.

Text-based or 6 yr old games only on Linux.  Let's see...  Unreal
Tournament, Quake 3, Unreal Tournament 2003, SimCity 3000, SiN, Soldier
of Fortune, Railroad Tycoon 2, Mind Rover, Deus Ex... Yeah, sure buddy.

--

Fester

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they
are free.  -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
http://www.hermes-press.com/police_state.htm

I'm actually sterile, thank-you-very-much.

Haven't used it in 15 years anyway.

Of course not.  That's because you're just looking for a blind flamewar
with somebody a lot better at it than you'll ever be.

I managed to do it though, so you'd best be impressed.  I can do the
almost impossible.  In fact the only reason anything is "almost"
impossible is that I can do it.

I don't even see that money.  It's not my test equipment.  I just know
how to use it.  That's what I'm paid for.

No, that was a true story.  She was so stupid that she didn't even
think about the fully functional oven in the apartment.  It was
nice in a way, as there wasn't any oven cleaning to get the deposit
back.  Her idea of a home cooked meal was Swanson.

She abused me a heck of a lot more.  I had to live with a moron.
How many times do you have to show somebody how to use the VCR before it
qualifies as abuse?  I wasn't in any marriage, I was conned into assisted
living.

I don't make typos very often.  My grasp of the English language is well above
average, and I don't bother with spell checkers as my spelling is usually far
superior to any machine's.   I say what I mean.  If your reading comprehension
is not up to the task, then that is a problem of yours, not mine.

--
Oh, oh.  Here come those crazy aliens again.  Help me, Elllleeot!
Help me get home!  (Atari 2600 E.T. manual, worst game ever made)

That would be the game I bought from a bargain bin a YEAR ago for the DC
and never wanted to play enough to even break the wrapper?  THAT P.O.S.?
FPS games are slow, they're made to forgive latency, and they're brain
dead friendly.  The games are sloppy and the players are rude.  Screw it.

Lazy doesn't have anything to do with it.  When I put a game on, that's
MY TIME, and I'm paying to be entertained.  It should be a done deal.

If an oil change went the way PC games usually do, it'd be like this:

Customer:  I'm here to pick up my car.  You changed the oil, right?
Mechanic:  Well, we drained it but we didn't know which brand to use.
Customer:  If I'd have cared, I'd have told you in the first place.
Mechanic:  Nope, you have to pick a favorite!  We need you to pick!
Customer:  Oh, for the love of Pete!  Valvoline, OKAY?  Does THAT work?
Mechanic:  This is a Pennzoil shop.  We don't have Valvoline.
Customer:  Then put Pennzoil into the car!  I DON'T CARE!  DO IT!
Mechanic:  Thank you!  Your car will be ready in another hour.
Customer:  <seriously thinks about busting a cap in mechanic ass>

I'm paying OTHER PEOPLE to do something for me when I buy a game.
Either they can do the job, or they can't.  If I have to lift so
much as one finger to help them, then they can't, they're incompetent,
and I don't want to do business with them at all.

 > One of those gnat-sized attention spanned folk who can only grasp instant

No effort expended?  MY BUTT!  How do *you* get $50 without any effort?
That money is EARNED, and anybody who wants some of it has to do some
EARNING too.  I paid my dues in cold hard cash.  I'm the boss, it works
for me.  It's a machine, it's MY machine, and I'm supposed to be the one
receiving pleasure.

Name a game I actually want to play.
Something like ***z Golf for the Gamecube?

--
Oh, oh.  Here come those crazy aliens again.  Help me, Elllleeot!
Help me get home!  (Atari 2600 E.T. manual, worst game ever made)