> >> Well that's what you get for using MSWindows!
> > You mean the OS that's required for most commercial PC games this side
> > of 1996?
dave henrie
> >> Well that's what you get for using MSWindows!
> > You mean the OS that's required for most commercial PC games this side
> > of 1996?
>>>> Well that's what you get for using MSWindows!
>>> You mean the OS that's required for most commercial PC games this side
>>> of 1996?
>> Funny. Unreal Tournament 2003 has both versions (Linux & Windows) on
>> it's cd's. Look for it to become a pattern.
>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> That would be the game I bought from a bargain bin a YEAR ago for the DC
> and never wanted to play enough to even break the wrapper? THAT P.O.S.?
> FPS games are slow, they're made to forgive latency, and they're brain
> dead friendly. The games are sloppy and the players are rude. Screw it.
Uh-huh. (I'm a mechanic. Doesn't take me long to fleece someone like
you for $50) :-)
I rest my case.
Irrelevant personal opinion in an attempt to change the focus once
again. These are all commercial releases, post '96, & not text based.
Although I don't see any harm in a good text based adventure now & then.
;-)
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> > Agree but then you also have to consider this...
> > Does your console run Office programs?
> > Does your console run drawing programs?
> > Does your console run music programs?
> > Does your console run wordprocessers?
> > Does your console run database programs?
> > Does your console run mail programs?
> > Does your console run video editing programs?
> > etc....
> You have to consider this...
> Does anybody do that at home?
> > Does your console run Office programs?
> Silly me, I run those at the office. That's why they're Office programs.
> > Does your console run drawing programs?
> If it weren't for taking screenshots of error messages at work, I could
> honestly say that I've never run Paint in the last five years.
> > Does your console run music programs?
> Silly me, I have a stereo system to play music the old-fashioned way.
> I even play 8-tracks on it. Music programs can't do that.
> > Does your console run wordprocessers?
> I see that your spell check is running fabulously. I don't WANT a
> word processor for a toy.
> > Does your console run database programs?
> Actually, yeah, they do. That's how they manage game saves.
> > Does your console run mail programs?
> No, there's a mailbox on my porch which handles my mail needs.
> There's a whole bunch of nice people in the Post Office to do
> that. The PC is just a source of spam.
> > Does your console run video editing programs?
> Oh, there's something I do every day <sarcasm>. Who in the
> heck runs video editing programs for home use? Other than
> kiddie *** there's no real purpose for it.
> > Nope, it doesn't, that's why it's a console.
> Which is exactly what I want. The RIGHT tool for the RIGHT
> job. That's what consoles are.
> > And if you want it to do, you have to hook a keyboard up, a printer, and
all
> > the other stuff.
> If it was just hooking them up, I wouldn't be bothered. It's the
> seemingly endless patches, registrations, and configurations that
> rip the fun right out of anything associated with a PC.
> > And tell me then, what do you have? Yes A PC !!! with all the nice
> > installing driver problems etc...
> > There is a little effort to make when you want to run all at once.
> I don't deny that this is a PC. I'm about to shoot the damned thing
> with my classic 1962 J.C. Higgins Model 20 12-Gauge shotgun if it comes
> up with one more error message or another stupid question trying to***
> ME OFF. This is NOT a "little effort". I had my Xbox playing games
> inside of 10 minutes of opening the console's package. You can't get a
> PC to do that on a bet to save your life.
> > PS:
> > Why should i buy a console if i can get it to run on my PC?
> That's because you have to ask "if". There's no "if" in console
> ***. It's going to run, no "if" about it. I don't like "if".
> Like Yoda said, "There is no Try. There is only Do, or Do Not".
> To Hell with "if". I don't play with "if". My world is black
> and white, and I don't accept maybe's or if's or try's. It works
> or it doesn't. "IF" is the same as "doesn't" in my house.
> > And even more, why should i buy a PC if i could run it on my console.
> > Would having one of those not be simpler then having them both?
> Simpler is the bailiwick of the console. There's no good reason to
> game on a PC. It's like racing garbage trucks. They're great at
> getting garbage, but they suck for most anything else.
> --
> Oh, oh. Here come those crazy aliens again. Help me, Elllleeot!
> Help me get home! (Atari 2600 E.T. manual, worst game ever made)
Charlie-boy, you're such an idiot. Let's set aside the fact that you're
thinking of a different game, since UT2003 isn't even out yet. Let's
instead focus on your logic and your spectacular display of ignorance
regarding your subject.
First of all, if you never wanted to play the game, why did you buy it?
Personally, I find my money is better spent if I save it for games that I
want to play.
Second, how the hell can you know whatever you bought was a POS if you never
even cracked the cellophane? Was the box ugly or something? Or is it just
maybe possible that the misconceptions you're so staunchly defending here
led you to an unjustified conclusion?
And finally, it's obvious you know next to nothing about the FPS genre. I'm
assuming that the game you're thinking of was the original Unreal
Tournament. That game was anything but slow. I was running it on a PII 333
with a Voodoo3. As long as I didn't try to max the detail settings, it ran
VERY smoothly. On the Athlon 700 I upgraded to, it was like oiled glass
even with everything turned up. Nothing slow about it. And it was *not*
made to forgive latency. As someone who played this game over a dialup
connection for a long time, I can certify that ping was a big issue in this
(and any other modern shooter) title. Skill is definitely more important,
but if two players are of equal ability, the one with the lower ping will
win 90% of the time or more. You'd know this if you'd bothered to play any
of the games you're bashing.
<snip>
If you're looking for such passive entertainment, might I suggest TV? You
don't have to do anything at all. No messing around with those inconvenient
consoles, with their hard-to-use gamepads and the game discs you have to
make sure you put in right-side-up. You can just sit back, turn the brain
off, and vegetate for as much of YOUR TIME as you want. Sounds like it's
much more your speed.
Are you really this incapable of distinguishing between a product and a
service? When you take your car to the mechanic for an oil change, they
have YOUR vehicle right there in front of them. They know exactly what
year, make and model it is, and have references (if needed) to tell them
exactly what filter to use, where everything is located, etc. Of course
they can do it without your intervention. If you really want to draw a
parallel between oil changes and game development, it'd be more accurate to
suppose you were to call the mechanic several months before the oil change
was to be performed and tell him you wanted some work done on an
unidentified vehicle that may have two, three or four wheels, might be
gas-powered, electric or a hybrid, and might have been manufactured in any
country on the planet to any standard (or none at all) in existence. Then
you'd expect him to provide you with incredibly detailed instructions,
perfect to the letter, on exactly how this was to be accomplished, including
how many times to turn what kind of wrench and what size coveralls you
should wear while doing the work.
With this kind of belligerence, it's no surprise you only receive pleasure
from machines :)
Irrelevant. Your personal taste in games has nothing to do with what's at
issue here, which is the suitability of the PC platform for gameplay. Knock
down straw men all you want, but it won't prove anything.
Chris
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> >No, sorry, Windows can hardly be callsed bloatware on an Athlon XP2000+
PC
> >unless you're willing to call just about every other *nix or Linux OS
runing
> >the X Windowing system/X Windows (w/ KDE, GNOME, etc) bloatware too.
Even
> >more amusing is that the arguably most popular of the bunch, KDE, is
nothing
> >more than a copy of the old Windows GUI. If you don't believe me,
please,
> >be my guess and try it out for yourself. Try running Windows on the same
> >hardware you run Linux or *nix with X Windows, you'll find the PC will
> >perform/run just about the same under both enviornments. If you really
want
> >to see your Linux system choke, try using Star Office, then we can talk
> >about bloatware.
> Let's see, I checked my friend's Windows XP folder. 1.41 GB. Now,
> even you can't honestly say that XP requires such a large
> footprint/disk space requirement to run.
You seem to be under some impression that the market demands the utmost bare
essentials in an OS for a PC to "run," this is hardly the case. The market
essentially demands/requires an Internet enabled OS. Win, Mac, Linux, etc
are all Internet ready OS's, they come with browswers, email clients and the
proper software/files to establish basic Internet connections. Also a
barebones Windows installation doesn't come with a whole lot extra
"featurs," as you like to call them. A barebones Windows 2000/XP
installation will include the OS, IE, Outlook Express/messenger, media
player, a few accessories (calculator, notepad/wordpad, paint, simple games,
etc) and system tools. That is basically it.
> I know you like to say how that's all functionality, but in all
> honesty an OS does not need many of the programs that come bundled in
> Windows to be functional.
(and
>Etc. Especially when you
> That's bloatware.
> >...you do know you can turn these off, right?
> Yes. But in most cases it is only after the install. They don't
> often inform you that they are putting themselves into the system
> tray. It's easy enough to turn them off, but some of them
> automatically go back into the system tray as soon as you open the
> program (the Real Player is notorius for this, hence one reason why I
> don't use it).
> >Are you insane? Only the now essentially discontinued Win 9x OSs were
> >horrible at managing resources and thats when compared to the likes of
> >NT/2000/XP/.Net. Windows NT4,2000,XP, and .Net all manage system
resources
> >remarkably well.
> Glad to see it only got them 9 tries to get that right.
> >lol, not really, personally, I find Netscape crashes the most on systems
> >running Linux.
> And IE crashes the most on systems running Windows. The point being?
> >...that is unfortunate you're running into these problems as Explorer
rarely
> >crashes on Windows systems w/ an NT kernel. Hell, if we're going to be
> >intellecutally honest here, Explorer rarely
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A review of DOA3 I read mentioned it caches a large amount of data to the
hard disk the first time a player runs the game.
My point is it's generally much better to store data on a hard disk over a
CD or DVD-ROM- access times are much shorter. And on a PC, this is called
"installing".
> --
> ====================================================
> :
> :
> : > Who says there's not supposed to be any installation? What mythology
is
> : > this?
> :
> : The irony is, of course, the XBox cache's data to the hard disk, in
some
> : cases large amounts. The difference between this and "installation" is
> : purely semantics.
> :
> :
> :
>>>>Well that's what you get for using MSWindows!
>>>You mean the OS that's required for most commercial PC games this side
>>>of 1996?
> Isn't it also the OS for Sega Dreamcast and Xbox?
> dave henrie
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Oh, oh. Here come those crazy aliens again. Help me, Elllleeot!
Help me get home! (Atari 2600 E.T. manual, worst game ever made)
>> That would be the game I bought from a bargain bin a YEAR ago for the DC
>> and never wanted to play enough to even break the wrapper? THAT P.O.S.?
>> FPS games are slow, they're made to forgive latency, and they're brain
>> dead friendly. The games are sloppy and the players are rude. Screw it.
> It's a new release. Doesn't matter though, don't change the subject.
> Either: A) it's a commercial release this side of 1996 not requiring
> Windows or B) it is not. Personal feelings/opinion are irrelevant.
<snip>
Not like I care, since I've made more than that with a 10 minute phone
call just last week.
The one you don't have? I'm sure it appreciates the down time.
Compared to what the PSX got since '96, it's a JOKE.
Nope, Zork was cool. The parsing was hard to get used to, but the game
was solid.
--
Oh, oh. Here come those crazy aliens again. Help me, Elllleeot!
Help me get home! (Atari 2600 E.T. manual, worst game ever made)
BTW, I'm running a Dolby Pro-Logic system. Pioneer based, with Pioneers
up front and Advent minis in the rear. Advent subwoofer handles the bass.
You couldn't stand in my living room with it cranked. It would kill you.
It's knocked pictures off of my walls and things off of tables. I went a
little crazy with Mechwarrior 2 (Sega Saturn) and got the cops called to
my house investigating a neighbor's report of World War III.
My stereo ain't half-bad. I'll probably update it as soon as the standards
settle down a bit more.
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Oh, oh. Here come those crazy aliens again. Help me, Elllleeot!
Help me get home! (Atari 2600 E.T. manual, worst game ever made)
>>That would be the game I bought from a bargain bin a YEAR ago for the DC
>>and never wanted to play enough to even break the wrapper? THAT P.O.S.?
>>FPS games are slow, they're made to forgive latency, and they're brain
>>dead friendly. The games are sloppy and the players are rude. Screw it.
> Charlie-boy, you're such an idiot. Let's set aside the fact that you're
> thinking of a different game, since UT2003 isn't even out yet. Let's
> instead focus on your logic and your spectacular display of ignorance
> regarding your subject.
They're extremely simple-minded games, basically kiddie games to go with
the teenaged target audience they're made for, and I don't think that
beating up on foul-mouthed kiddies is a lot of fun. I play games at least
40 hours per week, I have 25 years of experience at it, and the kiddies
don't stand the chance of a glass of water at a chili cook-off of beating
me. All I get is cussing from 'em, not gameplay. If I want people to
cuss at me, I can go to the homeless shelter with a "Vote Republican"
T-shirt on. I don't need to log on to a room full of kiddies playing on
their daddy's machine to get disrespect. Screw that.
>>Customer: I'm here to pick up my car. You changed the oil, right?
>>Mechanic: Well, we drained it but we didn't know which brand to use.
>>Customer: If I'd have cared, I'd have told you in the first place.
>>Mechanic: Nope, you have to pick a favorite! We need you to pick!
>>Customer: Oh, for the love of Pete! Valvoline, OKAY? Does THAT work?
>>Mechanic: This is a Pennzoil shop. We don't have Valvoline.
>>Customer: Then put Pennzoil into the car! I DON'T CARE! DO IT!
>>Mechanic: Thank you! Your car will be ready in another hour.
>>Customer: <seriously thinks about busting a cap in mechanic ass>
>>I'm paying OTHER PEOPLE to do something for me when I buy a game.
>>Either they can do the job, or they can't. If I have to lift so
>>much as one finger to help them, then they can't, they're incompetent,
>>and I don't want to do business with them at all.
> Are you really this incapable of distinguishing between a product and a
> service? When you take your car to the mechanic for an oil change, they
> have YOUR vehicle right there in front of them. They know exactly what
> year, make and model it is, and have references (if needed) to tell them
> exactly what filter to use, where everything is located, etc.
I was driving a 1964 Corvair in New Jersey, and (in case most don't know)
New Jersey outlaws self-service gas pumps. That's right, you have to have
some MORON pump your gas for you. So I pull into a service station in a
very cherry 1964 red Corvair convertible (top down) and a kid comes running
out to fill it up. The idiot walks around the car TWICE looking for the
gas cap and then asks me where it is. Driver's side fender, about 2 feet
from the guy you're asking, moron. Worse, it was about 3 feet from the
PUMP! Gee, silly me, parks with the gas cap next to the pump. Stupid kid.
And New Jersey law says that I have to let him touch a classic car?
That's the kind of crapola that makes me hate the east coast.
> instant
>>>gratification without any effort expended.
>>No effort expended? MY BUTT! How do *you* get $50 without any effort?
>>That money is EARNED, and anybody who wants some of it has to do some
>>EARNING too. I paid my dues in cold hard cash. I'm the boss, it works
>>for me. It's a machine, it's MY machine, and I'm supposed to be the one
>>receiving pleasure.
> With this kind of belligerence, it's no surprise you only receive pleasure
> from machines :)
>>Name a game I actually want to play.
>>Something like Swingerz Golf for the Gamecube?
> Irrelevant. Your personal taste in games has nothing to do with what's at
> issue here, which is the suitability of the PC platform for gameplay. Knock
> down straw men all you want, but it won't prove anything.
Explain to me why I see adapters to use PS2 controllers on PC USB ports, but
there isn't any such beast going the other way around?
PC gaming sucks. They want controllers? They rob consoles with adaptors.
PC gaming blows. They want games? They rob consoles with emulators.
To heck with PC gaming! All roads of piracy lead through PC's and PC Gamers
are the ENEMY, they are the cause of everything bad concerning gaming.
This is war, and consoles are
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>No, they don't. I drive a 1984 Ford Bronco II. Almost every mechanic
>asks if it's a 4WD. ALL 1984 Ford Bronco II's are 4WD. It wasn't an
>option. You'll never see a 2WD 1984 Bronco II. There weren't any made.
>The question is therefore IGNORANT.
Eldred
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with experience...
Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
You really are quite sad, aren't you?
So sad, that in your 30s (at least) you're actually chuffed to be
spending more time than most kids playing video games. And than a few
more hours a week in a newsgroup arguing over weather one genre of
games is inferior to another, or babbling on about piracy.
OCT
that's ignorance, not misanthropy.
i bet your breath reeks of cheetos and steak'ums this very minute.
While this thread was slightly amusing at first, it's now gotten to be
nothing but a waste of bandwidth, so could you all please stop cross
posting and leave each NG to handle their own "misanthropes", whatever
that may be....a fancier word for misfits perhaps ?
Thx in advance
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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