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Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

John Pancoas

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by John Pancoas » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:59:49

  Always amazing how non-Americans are so knowledgable(in their own minds)
about Americans.  I could make some generalizations about Europeans too, but
that would be just as stupid.

John


> Sorry John, but the rest of us don't really care about your internal
> Bush/Clinton fight... we are just a bit scared that most Americans show so
> little interest in anything but where the nearest McDonals is located.
> And judging by comments in this thread some of you don't really care as
long
> as you can find the place when you need to go to war ????? Scary attitude.

> Bush or Clinton to blame, the majority of the american youth know
virtually
> nothing of other
> cultures... unless Ophra or Ricki Lake had a special on it. ;)

> Mikkel





> > > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > > These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)

> > > David G Fisher

> >   And the same ones who thought Clinton did too :)  Surveys, polls,
> > whatever.  You can prove or disprove any agenda one has with them.

> > John

John Pancoas

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by John Pancoas » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:02:03




> >   And we're also the only country in world history to be completely
> > self-sufficient with food.   Don't talk with your mouth full :)

> Not sure about that - without the oil to drive your
> industrialized agriculture, I imagine the USA would
> be in major strife.  erm.. will be in major strife.

> iksteh

  Without oil, any country would be in trouble.

John

Uwe Schuerkam

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by Uwe Schuerkam » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:13:03


> I have read the book, along with tons of scientific research about the same
> subject. I also have common sense. The single biggest crisis facing all of
> us is the destruction of the environment along with overpopulation. Al***

Hey, I might not be alone much longer mentioning Dan Quinn
whenever this topic crops up in RAS! Dave, give "The Story of B" a
read or start with "Ishmael", both are truely awesome books by
Dan Quinn. Website is at http://www.racesimcentral.net/

cheers & good luck,

uwe

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Jason Moy

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by Jason Moy » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:58:11

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:20:11 -0500, "Phillip Malphrus, Jr."


>This is a reason I like the guy and so do a lot of others here because of
>that ...

Um, the military has always been 90% republican.  It's as predictable
as minorities and unions supporting Democrats and global businesses
and natural resource suppliers voting Republican.

You support the people who give you money, it's an obvious concept.

Jason

Ruud van Ga

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by Ruud van Ga » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:54:22

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:19:03 -0500, "David G Fisher"


>http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html

>These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)

Good for the US; you need stupid people to go into unknown territory
and give their life so that people back home can be prevented from
having to pay a bit more for their petrol.
That's all it is. The bad thing is that people are actually buying the
weapon issues, and that is scary. The human race still has a long way
to go before they can call themselves an 'intelligent' race.

Ruud van Gaal
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Jason Moy

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by Jason Moy » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:59:43

On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:18:54 +1100, "Steve Whitty"


>Unfortunately, being Australian, these arguements also affect us.  Our Prime
>Minister is hell bent on us being the next US state.

I was seriously disturbed at his comments after the recent bombing.  I
can't remember the exact quotes offhand, but I do remember it sounded
like something that would come out of the mouth of Dubya or Sharon.

Jason

elrik

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by elrik » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:01:04


 .  .  . with some fava beans and a little light chianti  (sp?) .  .  .

elrikk

Jason Moy

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by Jason Moy » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:04:17

On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:50:59 -0500, "David G Fisher"


> Multiple choice. 17% after what happened this past year. Unbelievable.

>Lol, we also came in last among the nine countries when asked what is the
>correct population range of the U.S. Only 25% got it right in a multiple
>choice question.

Well designed multiple choice questions can be incredibly challenging,
as anyone who has had a good professor can probably tell you.

I'm not saying that's the case here but I just wanted to point that
out. =)

Jason

Jason Moy

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by Jason Moy » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:05:13



Except for that bit where we pretend to be the beacon of democracy for
the world even though we aren't a democracy, sure.

Jason

Jason Moy

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by Jason Moy » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:12:52

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:20:04 -0700, "John Pancoast"


>  Lol, no kidding.  Bush is being more big government Democrat than the Dems
>themselves.

It's honestly scary IMHO how many stereotypes for the parties seem
backwards.

For instance, there is the big/small government debate, where the
Democrats (at least on the surface) appeared to be making some
progress with reducing the size of the executive branch, at least,
while the Republicans regularly increase funding for defense and are
(with support, of course) creating an entirely new bloated executive
department.

Another example is war mongering.  Without a question, people seem to
see Republicans as war mongerers, and Democrats as liberal wimps.
Yet, which party started the most conflicts in the 20th century?  If
Clinton or***were in office, I truly believe that Afghanistan would
have been hit with a serious strike force rather than combed with spec
ops.  Aside from matters with Iraq, you've got Roosevelt, Kennedy,
Johnson, etc all sticking our military in places where it didn't
belong.  Not what you expect from the stereotypes.

Maybe Bush can be the breakthrough in this area.  I just hope we don't
run out of places to bomb before his only term ends. =)

I haven't seen the books, honestly.  Both parties claimed a surplus
(it was the Republican House/Senate who drafted the budget, after all)
so I assumed that there was one.  

Jason

Jason Moy

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by Jason Moy » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:15:56

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:21:22 -0700, "John Pancoast"


>  Well, fwiw, it IS what he did as President,(sex stuff ?  who cares) and
>what he represents, that I can't stand :)

There are things about him that disgust me, including essentially
defrauding the voters in 92 by supporting NAFTA after he said he
wouldn't (that is one of the wimpiest things I can think of any
President doing, even the Wimp-In-Chief's wimpy father), but what
specifically don't *you* like?  I'm just generally curious, that's
all.

The main thing that disgusts me is that his support of big business
was nearly as bad as Reagan or either Bush.  There's also using
military strikes (the Sudan incident, in particular, was well timed)
to try and deflect attention from his sex scandals.

Jason

Jason Moy

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by Jason Moy » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:19:25

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:16:28 -0700, "John Pancoast"


>  You can't tell people who've hated each other for centuries, to join
>hands, sing kumbaya, and expect things to be okey dokey, because some niave
>policy makers say, "Gosh darnit, can't we all just get along and be friends
>?"

Rabin/Arafat anyone?

Jason

Dave Coo

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by Dave Coo » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:24:21



> On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:19:03 -0500, "David G Fisher"

> >http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html

> >These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)

> Good for the US; you need stupid people to go into unknown territory
> and give their life so that people back home can be prevented from
> having to pay a bit more for their petrol.
> That's all it is. The bad thing is that people are actually buying the
> weapon issues, and that is scary. The human race still has a long way
> to go before they can call themselves an 'intelligent' race.

I'm not buying it (the weapons issue).  It's all about oil and that became
obvious when we found out that North Korea had "weapons of mass
destruction".  Even after we found this out the Bush adminstration CONTINUES
TO SELL OIL TO N. KOREA.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2010-2002Oct22.html

BTW - I don't appreciate all the US bashing here.  We don't have as much
control over our government as you all might think...

- Dave Cook

Doug Elliso

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by Doug Elliso » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:39:47



> On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:19:03 -0500, "David G Fisher"

> >http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> >These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)

> Good for the US; you need stupid people to go into unknown territory
> and give their life so that people back home can be prevented from
> having to pay a bit more for their petrol.
> That's all it is. The bad thing is that people are actually buying the
> weapon issues, and that is scary. The human race still has a long way
> to go before they can call themselves an 'intelligent' race.

Very nicely worded Ruud - I've always said "It's not about bombs -it's about
***y Oil" - but you've worded it quite nicely

Doug

Phillip Malphrus J

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by Phillip Malphrus J » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:48:25

I'm entitled to my opinion. If you dont like it, deal with it. I didnt start
the thread ...

"Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <mik...@gram-hansen.dk> wrote in message

news:3ddcb606$0$11078$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
> LOL you really do a great "Stupid Patriotic Yank"... I almost believe it.

> [quote]In this time of war and danger, I am so grateful to have a
President
> whom the soldiers salute-fully. [/quote]

> OMG this is pure comedy... you really do make the right wing americans
look
> stupid.
> Seriously NOBODY can be that much of a dramaqueen and still expect to be
> anything but ridiculed ?

> I can hear the cheesy music playing in the background, the starspangled
> banner blowing in the wind in the back of the scene... a solemn comentator
> readig this with his deep earnest voice. Short cuts to children awing at
> Bush, mothers with tears in their eyes when the gaze upon the great ruler,
> hard marines looking stern and yet strangely emotional due to their
enormous
> respect for Bush.....  Bush the man they salute with respect !!

> Phillip I marvel at your ability to disregard any intellectual impulse,
when
> caught up in the fanatic patriotic frenzy.
> God someone put me out of my misery before I crack myself laughing at this
> pathetic piece of soap opera poetry.

> Mikkel

> PS: Is this a just a great joke or does anyone actually read stuff like
that
> and find it ok ?? If you can read this without laughing I have a few books
> by Barbara Cartland I'd like to sell you as "documentary works" and
"factual
> reading"

> Phillip Malphrus, Jr. <elliottfanNOS...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:utok7a7ki6p73e@corp.supernews.com...
> > This is a reason I like the guy and so do a lot of others here because
of
> > that ...

> > > >THE PRESIDENT

> > > >Have you noticed a difference in the salute given by our military
> > > >men and
> > > >women as President Bush walks by? Most folks would not notice
> > > >anything, but
> > > >military people see it right away. Watch: When President Bush leaves
> > > >his
> > > >helicopter or Air Force One, the honor guards salute and face him as
> > > >he
> > > >disembarks, then turn their faces towards him as he passes by. They
> > > >continue
> > > >to salute his back as he walks away. This kind of salute has not
> > > >been seen
> > > >in the previous eight years, though it is customary courtesy to the
> > > >Commander-in-Chief. You see, soldiers aren't required to turn and
> > > >face the
> > > >President as they salute. They are not required to salute his back.
> > > >They
> > > >are only required to salute. They can remain face-forward the entire
> > > >time.

> > > >And that is what they did during Bill Clinton's entire Presidency.
> > > >Our
> > > >soldiers were forced to obey Clinton's orders, but they were not
> > > >forced to
> > > >respect him. From their salutes, we can surmise that they did not.
> > > >Why is
> > > >such respect afforded to President Bush? He doesn't even know how to
> > > >bite
> > > >his lower lip and not get teary-eyed whenever he speaks!

> > > >The following incident from Major General Van Antwerp may give us an
> > > >insight. Gen. Antwerp is president of the Officers' Christian
> > > >Fellowship. He
> > > >lost nearly all his staff when the Pentagon was attacked Sept. 11.
> > > >His
> > > >executive officer LTC Brian Birdwell was badly burned and in the
> > > >hospital
> > > >when President Bush visited him. Our President spent time and prayed
> > > >with
> > > >Brian. As he was getting ready to leave, he went to the foot of
> > > >Brian's bed
> > > >and saluted. He held his salute until Brian was able to raise his
> > > >burned and
> > > >bandaged arm, ever so slowly, in return. The Commander-in-Chief
> > > >never
> > > >initiates a salute, except in the case of a Congressional Medal of
> > > >Honor
> > > >winner. The injured soldier did not have to return the salute. But
> > > >he did,
> > > >out of respect to his President - a Soldier's President.

> > > >Congressman JC Watts (R. Oklahoma) said, "Character is doing the
> > > >right thing
> > > >when nobody is looking." The nation and world learned some of what
> > > >our last
> > > >President did when nobody was looking. That President was
> > > >disbarred-the
> > > >worst disgrace (other than imprisonment) to a lawyer. CNN will have
> > > >a
> > > >difficult time shining his or his wife's tarnished images.

> > > >In this time of war and danger, I am so grateful to have a President
> > > >whom
> > > >the soldiers salute-fully.

> > > >On Special Report with Brit Hume, hosted by Jim Angle, at the close
> > > >of the
> > > >show when they normally have some funny video clip, they showed
> > > >President
> > > >Bush and the First Lady on their way to Marine One to leave for Camp
> > > >David
> > > >for the weekend. As the video starts, the First Lady is leading the
> > > >way into
> > > >the helicopter with the spaniel dog on the leash, and the president
> > > >is right
> > > >behind her with the Scotty on the leash. As the First Lady entered
> > > >the
> > > >chopper, the Marine at the gangway saluted and held his salute. The
> > > >Scottie
> > > >the President was walking decided it wanted to squat right when he
> > > >got to
> > > >steps. The president pulled on its leash, but the stubborn Scottie
> > > >persisted
> > > >in squatting. The President bent down and scooped up the pooch and
> > > >entered
> > > >Marine One. After he entered, the Marine cut his salute and returned
> > > >to the
> > > >position of attention. Moments later the President reemerged from
> > > >the
> > > >helicopter and out onto the steps. The Marine was standing at
> > > >attention,
> > > >head and eyes straight ahead. The President leaned over and tapped
> > > >him on
> > > >the left arm. The startled Marine turned his body toward the
> > > >President and
> > > >received his returned salute! I was so impressed by this true act of
> > > >respect
> > > >for our military people by our President! He really does get it.
> > > >Most any
> > > >other person of his stature would have just continued his journey,
> > > >disregarding the neglected return salute. Not George W.Bush. He is
> > > >earning the respect of the military community, not expecting it-as
> > > >most have
> > > >and would.

> > > >President George W. Bush-The man who admitted to having a drinking
> > > >problem
> > > >in younger years, and whose happy-go-lucky lifestyle led him to
> > > >mediocre
> > > >grades in college and an ill-fated oil venture. Who mangled syntax,
> > > >and
> > > >whose speaking missteps became known as "Bushisms." He came within a
> > > >hair's
> > > >breadth of losing the election in November. While votes were counted
> > > >and
> > > >re-counted, Bush quietly but confidently waited at his ranch.

> > > >Make no mistake, his orders were carried out, but he stayed in the
> > > >background, faithful and confident. Bush named Jesus Christ as Lord
> > > >of his
> > > >life on public TV. Not an oblique reference to being "born-again" or
> > > >having
> > > >a "life change." He actually said the un-PC-like phrase, "Jesus
> > > >Christ!"

> > > >On September 11, he was thrust into a position only known by
> > > >Roosevelt,
> > > >Churchill, Lincoln, and Washington. The weight of the world was on
> > > >his
> > > >shoulders, and the responsibility of a generation was on his soul.
> > > >So
> > > >President George W. Bush walked to his seat at the front of the
> > > >National
> > > >Cathedral just three days after two of the most impressive symbols
> > > >of
> > > >American capitalism and prosperity virtually evaporated. When the
> > > >history of
> > > >this time is written, it will be acknowledged by friend and foe
> > > >alike that
> > > >President George W. Bush came of age in that cathedral and lifted a
> > > >nation
> > > >off its knees. In what was one of the most impressive exhibitions of
> > > >self-control in presidential history, President George W. Bush was
> > > >able to
> > > >deliver his remarks without losing his resolve, focus, or
> > > >confidence.

> > > >God's hand, which guided him through that sliver-thin election, now
> > > >rested
> > > >fully on him. As he walked back to his seat, the camera angle was
> > > >appropriate. He was virtually alone in the scene, alone in that
> > > >massive
> > > >place with God, just him and the Lord. Back at his seat, George H.
> > > >Bush
> > > >reached over and took his son's hand. In that gesture his father
> > > >seemed to
> > > >say, "I wish I could do this for you, son, but I can't. You have to
> > > >do this
> > > >on your own." President George W. Bush squeezed back and gave him a
> > > >look of
> > > >peace that said, "I don't have to do it alone, Dad. I've got help."

> > > >What a blessing to have a believer in a good God as President.

> > "David G Fisher" <davegfnos...@home.com> wrote in message
> > news:5_WcncuUh4FhcUagXTWcpA@comcast.com...

> > > http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html

> > > These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)

> > > David G Fisher


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