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Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

Someone Els

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by Someone Els » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:55:48


Do you mean Ford vs Holden?  :)

Dan_Leac

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by Dan_Leac » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:22:02

I saw this thread start just before i went to bed....i was wondering how big
it would be by morning :)
 rasers dont half need some decent subjects to talk ***about every so
often:)
 When this all dies down and we're back to boring questions about how to
configure game x on system y i think ill start a 'religion which is the one
true faith?' thread ...just for fun of course
     dan


Mikkel Gram-Hanse

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by Mikkel Gram-Hanse » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:32:56

LOL you really do a great "Stupid Patriotic Yank"... I almost believe it.

[quote]In this time of war and danger, I am so grateful to have a President
whom the soldiers salute-fully. [/quote]

OMG this is pure comedy... you really do make the right wing americans look
stupid.
Seriously NOBODY can be that much of a dramaqueen and still expect to be
anything but ridiculed ?

I can hear the cheesy music playing in the background, the starspangled
banner blowing in the wind in the back of the scene... a solemn comentator
readig this with his deep earnest voice. Short cuts to children awing at
Bush, mothers with tears in their eyes when the gaze upon the great ruler,
hard marines looking stern and yet strangely emotional due to their enormous
respect for Bush.....  Bush the man they salute with respect !!

Phillip I marvel at your ability to disregard any intellectual impulse, when
caught up in the fanatic patriotic frenzy.
God someone put me out of my misery before I crack myself laughing at this
pathetic piece of soap opera poetry.

Mikkel

PS: Is this a just a great joke or does anyone actually read stuff like that
and find it ok ?? If you can read this without laughing I have a few books
by Barbara Cartland I'd like to sell you as "documentary works" and "factual
reading"

Phillip Malphrus, Jr. <elliottfanNOS...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:utok7a7ki6p73e@corp.supernews.com...

> This is a reason I like the guy and so do a lot of others here because of
> that ...

> > >THE PRESIDENT

> > >Have you noticed a difference in the salute given by our military
> > >men and
> > >women as President Bush walks by? Most folks would not notice
> > >anything, but
> > >military people see it right away. Watch: When President Bush leaves
> > >his
> > >helicopter or Air Force One, the honor guards salute and face him as
> > >he
> > >disembarks, then turn their faces towards him as he passes by. They
> > >continue
> > >to salute his back as he walks away. This kind of salute has not
> > >been seen
> > >in the previous eight years, though it is customary courtesy to the
> > >Commander-in-Chief. You see, soldiers aren't required to turn and
> > >face the
> > >President as they salute. They are not required to salute his back.
> > >They
> > >are only required to salute. They can remain face-forward the entire
> > >time.

> > >And that is what they did during Bill Clinton's entire Presidency.
> > >Our
> > >soldiers were forced to obey Clinton's orders, but they were not
> > >forced to
> > >respect him. From their salutes, we can surmise that they did not.
> > >Why is
> > >such respect afforded to President Bush? He doesn't even know how to
> > >bite
> > >his lower lip and not get teary-eyed whenever he speaks!

> > >The following incident from Major General Van Antwerp may give us an
> > >insight. Gen. Antwerp is president of the Officers' Christian
> > >Fellowship. He
> > >lost nearly all his staff when the Pentagon was attacked Sept. 11.
> > >His
> > >executive officer LTC Brian Birdwell was badly burned and in the
> > >hospital
> > >when President Bush visited him. Our President spent time and prayed
> > >with
> > >Brian. As he was getting ready to leave, he went to the foot of
> > >Brian's bed
> > >and saluted. He held his salute until Brian was able to raise his
> > >burned and
> > >bandaged arm, ever so slowly, in return. The Commander-in-Chief
> > >never
> > >initiates a salute, except in the case of a Congressional Medal of
> > >Honor
> > >winner. The injured soldier did not have to return the salute. But
> > >he did,
> > >out of respect to his President - a Soldier's President.

> > >Congressman JC Watts (R. Oklahoma) said, "Character is doing the
> > >right thing
> > >when nobody is looking." The nation and world learned some of what
> > >our last
> > >President did when nobody was looking. That President was
> > >disbarred-the
> > >worst disgrace (other than imprisonment) to a lawyer. CNN will have
> > >a
> > >difficult time shining his or his wife's tarnished images.

> > >In this time of war and danger, I am so grateful to have a President
> > >whom
> > >the soldiers salute-fully.

> > >On Special Report with Brit Hume, hosted by Jim Angle, at the close
> > >of the
> > >show when they normally have some funny video clip, they showed
> > >President
> > >Bush and the First Lady on their way to Marine One to leave for Camp
> > >David
> > >for the weekend. As the video starts, the First Lady is leading the
> > >way into
> > >the helicopter with the spaniel dog on the leash, and the president
> > >is right
> > >behind her with the Scotty on the leash. As the First Lady entered
> > >the
> > >chopper, the Marine at the gangway saluted and held his salute. The
> > >Scottie
> > >the President was walking decided it wanted to squat right when he
> > >got to
> > >steps. The president pulled on its leash, but the stubborn Scottie
> > >persisted
> > >in squatting. The President bent down and scooped up the pooch and
> > >entered
> > >Marine One. After he entered, the Marine cut his salute and returned
> > >to the
> > >position of attention. Moments later the President reemerged from
> > >the
> > >helicopter and out onto the steps. The Marine was standing at
> > >attention,
> > >head and eyes straight ahead. The President leaned over and tapped
> > >him on
> > >the left arm. The startled Marine turned his body toward the
> > >President and
> > >received his returned salute! I was so impressed by this true act of
> > >respect
> > >for our military people by our President! He really does get it.
> > >Most any
> > >other person of his stature would have just continued his journey,
> > >disregarding the neglected return salute. Not George W.Bush. He is
> > >earning the respect of the military community, not expecting it-as
> > >most have
> > >and would.

> > >President George W. Bush-The man who admitted to having a drinking
> > >problem
> > >in younger years, and whose happy-go-lucky lifestyle led him to
> > >mediocre
> > >grades in college and an ill-fated oil venture. Who mangled syntax,
> > >and
> > >whose speaking missteps became known as "Bushisms." He came within a
> > >hair's
> > >breadth of losing the election in November. While votes were counted
> > >and
> > >re-counted, Bush quietly but confidently waited at his ranch.

> > >Make no mistake, his orders were carried out, but he stayed in the
> > >background, faithful and confident. Bush named Jesus Christ as Lord
> > >of his
> > >life on public TV. Not an oblique reference to being "born-again" or
> > >having
> > >a "life change." He actually said the un-PC-like phrase, "Jesus
> > >Christ!"

> > >On September 11, he was thrust into a position only known by
> > >Roosevelt,
> > >Churchill, Lincoln, and Washington. The weight of the world was on
> > >his
> > >shoulders, and the responsibility of a generation was on his soul.
> > >So
> > >President George W. Bush walked to his seat at the front of the
> > >National
> > >Cathedral just three days after two of the most impressive symbols
> > >of
> > >American capitalism and prosperity virtually evaporated. When the
> > >history of
> > >this time is written, it will be acknowledged by friend and foe
> > >alike that
> > >President George W. Bush came of age in that cathedral and lifted a
> > >nation
> > >off its knees. In what was one of the most impressive exhibitions of
> > >self-control in presidential history, President George W. Bush was
> > >able to
> > >deliver his remarks without losing his resolve, focus, or
> > >confidence.

> > >God's hand, which guided him through that sliver-thin election, now
> > >rested
> > >fully on him. As he walked back to his seat, the camera angle was
> > >appropriate. He was virtually alone in the scene, alone in that
> > >massive
> > >place with God, just him and the Lord. Back at his seat, George H.
> > >Bush
> > >reached over and took his son's hand. In that gesture his father
> > >seemed to
> > >say, "I wish I could do this for you, son, but I can't. You have to
> > >do this
> > >on your own." President George W. Bush squeezed back and gave him a
> > >look of
> > >peace that said, "I don't have to do it alone, Dad. I've got help."

> > >What a blessing to have a believer in a good God as President.

> "David G Fisher" <davegfnos...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:5_WcncuUh4FhcUagXTWcpA@comcast.com...

> > http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html

> > These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)

> > David G Fisher

Doug Elliso

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by Doug Elliso » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:33:06



It would be the same in the UK.  Most kids wont have a clue where Iraq is -
and I remember fairly recently a survey that showed most kids in the UK
couldnt place several of the country's major cities.

For some strange reason - Geography at GCSE level and below seems to be
focused on what I'd call humanities and social studies, more than on actual
geography

Doug

JoH

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by JoH » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:36:16

I tried Christianism and Islam, but they're no GPL   :)

JoH

On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:22:02 -0000, "Dan_Leach"


>I saw this thread start just before i went to bed....i was wondering how big
>it would be by morning :)
> rasers dont half need some decent subjects to talk ***about every so
>often:)
> When this all dies down and we're back to boring questions about how to
>configure game x on system y i think ill start a 'religion which is the one
>true faith?' thread ...just for fun of course
>     dan


>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>> These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)

>> David G Fisher

Mikkel Gram-Hanse

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by Mikkel Gram-Hanse » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:36:36

Ohhhhh here comes trouble !!!!
rumours of that fight has spread all the way to the other side of the globe
:)




> > > Take your Republican propaganda somewhere else.  ALT.POLITICS.MORONS
> > > would be my suggestion...

> > Oh dear...I'm feeling a little left out of these arguments as an
> Australian.
> > Anyone care to discuss religion instead?

> Do you mean Ford vs Holden?  :)

Jussi 'Igor' Koukk

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by Jussi 'Igor' Koukk » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:43:09

On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:22:02 -0000, "Dan_Leach"

Wasn't that answered in an episode of South Park ?-)



>> http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html

>> These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)

Well, he did win the election... didn't he? ;-)
--
- Igor -
Hajaj

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by Hajaj » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:58:41

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:44:31 -0500, "David G Fisher"




>> "JTBurn" wrote...
>> > People can't find Iraq. Big deal. Who would want to go
>> > there anyway!!!
>> Damn straight... it's just sand, rock and heat. Never mind the political
>> system.
>Right, it's just where civilization began.
>Writing, money, law, the first cites.......and there's nothing to see, like
>the ancient city of Babylon and*** Gardens, one of the Seven Wonders of
>the World.
>Even if it wasn't a big deal that only 13% can find Iraq (yea, it's ok to be
>that dumb), it really should make you ill that 29% can't even find the
>PACIFIC OCEAN.
>Lol.

"We're no. 1! Why try harder?!?"
Apparently, when you have the strongest army, which the US
undoubtly does, the feeling is that you don't have to do
anything else well, or indeed, at all.
Scary, but it seems to be the way most Americans think.

--
Hajaj?

Boycott the 2008 Olympics

Xavie

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by Xavie » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:06:43


> http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html

> These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)

> David G Fisher

Mmmh, I know I should not feed these (adequately tagged, thanks David)
very off-topic threads (look in the 'other' simulation newsgroup for
things to avoid) but... I'll bite.

What makes the results really appealing for the youth of that great
country is the fact that the survey was based on multiple choice questions:

http://lava.nationalgeographic.com/geosurvey/templates/question_1.html

Given the fact that the question on Afghanistan only involved a choice
between four possible locations (five if you include the 'I dont know'
option), you can even wonder whether the 17% americans aged 18-24 that
actually got the right result were just lucky.  Pure random choice
should have given 25% (20%) success !

I cant help but ask what the annual US education budget is ?  Especially
knowing that the US government spends one *billion* dollars a *day* for
its army. That is five dollars a day per inhabitant (children included),
or in other words defence spendings from a single day could buy every US
school-aged kid a luxury world atlas.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2167515.stm
(not exactly a communist news network, I think)

Sigh.

Xavier.

David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:29:34


I'm not a conservative or a liberal. Those words don't mean anything to me.

It's a National Geographic survey. No political agenda. This survey was
nothing new anyway. I've heard of similiarly poor results by Americans many,
many times before from different sources. Letterman's made jokes about them
in the past.

If it does, so what? All that means is we are a very large country which
just happens to have a great climate with a lot of arable soil. We are
ruining our land by devoting too much of it to cattle farming for meat
production, and polluting it with chemicals. We also waste a disgusting
amount of food, and are the fattest country on earth. Nothing to be proud of
there.

If that's true, again, so what? Forests were devastated in that century. How
about we compare the amount of forests that we have today to what was here
before the first settlers? There were continuous forests from the Atlantic
to the Mississippi.

Bush would never do what***suggested becasue his political career would
be over. His main support would be gone.

I have done it. Unfortunately it does matter a great deal if others do it.

???

I have read the book, along with tons of scientific research about the same
subject. I also have common sense. The single biggest crisis facing all of
us is the destruction of the environment along with overpopulation. Al***
is a nut case for writing a book which he hopes will inform and raise
awareness of this crisis?

Funny you would bring this up as tonight the following story was just put
out by the AP:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/
213

Shows how much of a "nut case"***supposedly is, huh?

In George Bush, you have a man who said during the '00 campaign that there
wasn't yet enough proof that global warming was for real. One of his biggest
religious supporters, Jerry Falwell, just said yesterday on CNN that global
warming was a myth, invented by liberals and environmentalists.

Who's the "nut case"??

For those who don't know, Gore's book is called "Earth in the Balance".
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
-13/ref=sr_1_13/103-2591785-9946225?v=glance&s=books

From Amazon.com :
"What's most inspiring about Earth in the Balance is who wrote it. It's a
big deal, after all, that a sitting senator was willing to write, "We must
make the rescue of the environment the central organizing principle for

  I have become very impatient with my own tendency to put a finger to the
political winds and proceed cautiously.... [E]very time I pause to consider
whether I have gone too far out on a limb, I look at the new facts [on the
environment crisis] that continue to pour in from around the world and
conclude that I have not gone far enough.... [T]he time has long since come
to take more political risks--and endure more political criticism--by
proposing tougher, more effective solutions and fighting hard for their
enactments.
And the buzz on the street is that***actually wrote those words himself.

When Earth in the Balance first came out, it caused quite a stir--and for
good reason. It convincingly makes the case that a crisis of epidemic
proportions is nearly upon us and that if the world doesn't get its act
together soon and agree to some kind of "Global Marshall Plan" to protect
the environment, we're all up a polluted creek without a paddle. Myriad
plagues are upon us, but the worst include the loss of biodiversity, the
depletion of the ozone layer, the slash-and-burn destruction of rainforests,
and the onset of global warming. None of this is new, of course, nor was it
new in 1992. But most environmentalists will still get a giddy feeling
reading such a call to action as written by a prominent politician.

The book is arranged into three sections: the first describes the plagues;
the second looks at how we got ourselves into this mess; and the final
chapters present ways out.***gets his points across in a serviceable way,
though he could have benefited from a firmer editor's hand; at times the
analogies are arcane and the pacing is odd--kind of like a***speech that
climaxes at weird points and then sinks just as the audience is about to
clap. Still, at the end you understand what's been said.***believes that
if we apply some American ingenuity, the twin engines of democracy and
capitalism can be rigged to help us stabilize world population growth,
spread social justice, boost education levels, create environmentally
appropriate technologies, and negotiate international agreements to bring us
back from the brink. For example, a worldwide shift to clean, renewable
energy sources would create huge economic opportunities for companies large
and small to design, build, and maintain solar panels, wind turbines, fuel
cells, and other ecofriendly innovations.

Gore doesn't mince words when describing just how hard it will be to get out
of this jam. Real hope is contingent on a swelling up of concern among the
public--and fast. A year into the vice presidency, in an interview with
writer Bill McKibben,***paraphrased a key passage in his book, "The
minimum that is scientifically necessary far exceeds the maximum that is
politically feasible." Ah, a political out. Some readers will ask of Gore:
what has he done since publishing his book to advance the political
feasibility of decisive environmental action? --Chip Giller --This text
refers to the Hardcover edition."

David G Fisher

David G Fishe

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by David G Fishe » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:50:59



> > http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/11/20/geography.quiz/index.html

> > These are the people that think George Bush knows what he's doing. :-)

> > David G Fisher

> Mmmh, I know I should not feed these (adequately tagged, thanks David)
> very off-topic threads (look in the 'other' simulation newsgroup for
> things to avoid) but... I'll bite.

> What makes the results really appealing for the youth of that great
> country is the fact that the survey was based on multiple choice
questions:

> http://lava.nationalgeographic.com/geosurvey/templates/question_1.html

> Given the fact that the question on Afghanistan only involved a choice
> between four possible locations (five if you include the 'I dont know'
> option), you can even wonder whether the 17% americans aged 18-24 that
> actually got the right result were just lucky.  Pure random choice
> should have given 25% (20%) success !

 Multiple choice. 17% after what happened this past year. Unbelievable.

Lol, we also came in last among the nine countries when asked what is the
correct population range of the U.S. Only 25% got it right in a multiple
choice question.

David G Fisher

Mikkel Gram-Hanse

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by Mikkel Gram-Hanse » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:47:37

yeah that may be... but in return the marines salute Bush with honest
respect !!!! *LOL*
Phillips post will give me laughing fits for a long long time to come...

Mikkel

PS: I can't even choose between the quotes of that infamous post by Phillip,
but this one makes me either vomit or chuckle depending on my mood : "He
held his salute until Brian was able to raise his burned and bandaged arm,
ever so slowly, in return." Readers Digest go home, now this is high class
LOW class. Never ever have I read propaganda that phony or sickeningly sweet
before.

Nick

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by Nick » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:00:31



All you need to know about New Zealand if you live in England is 31-28! Oh
yeah, it's right next to Australia - 32-31! Sport is a better teacher of
geography than war, my friends ;-)

Bob

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by Bob » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:20:41


Uh, sorry, but I'm not part of your "us", I'm not an American.  I was
just pointing out the unusual wording of that particular statement.
Both sentences say exactly the same thing, just worded a bit
differently to demonstrate... what exactly, I don't know!

I find the whole article to be slightly dubious to say the least.  Not
sticking up for Americans by any means, but the article gives
absolutely no info as to the people being tested.  Americans 18-24?
Are these inner-city high school dropouts?  College students? Working
professionals?  A mixture of all of these?  Who the hell knows.  Were
the samples consistent over the various countries tested?  And, of
course, the National Geographic Society couldn't possibly have any
kind of hidden agenda or axe to grind, could it?

Jussi 'Igor' Koukk

Very OT-How Smart Are My Fellow Americans? :-)

by Jussi 'Igor' Koukk » Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:31:41

On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:47:37 +0100, "Mikkel Gram-Hansen"

Saddam Hussein getting 100% support from the people of Iraq for his
next term comes IMO quite close ;-)  It always makes me laugh to see
this kind of figures from Iraq, North Korea etc =)
--
- Igor -


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