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Lighten up snapper-heads.

I did the opposite in the army, with a front engine track. Mighty fun to get
the rear 1 meter off the pavement. They didn't take it for long though. Had
to be towed home some time later....;-))

Yup, if you make too much forward speed, you tipp over....;-))

Aha, an Aussie. I don't want to insult a whole nation, but I heard a similar
story from someone down under about a month ago. About renting an Explorer
and taking it offroad. Besides the fact that these things are not made for
that, the Aussie word 'offroad' is not the same as in the US. Said something
about the truck not tracking right and demanding a replacement.
Well, I also have to say he drives an TLC-80 with an OME heavy duty
suspension package normally....;-))
Till someone runs some stat's on nationality....I warned him for that!

Bye,

W.J. Markerink

      The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
     the inability to understand

About five years ago, I got a complimentary copy of a magazine for
inventors and inventions.  I think I still have it around somewhere.
Anyway, there was an article in there about an extensive study to find a
cheap substitute for Freon.  This guy had instrumented a car beyond
belief for his study.  After he figured out the solution, he had his
brother-in-law (or something), who owned a fleet of cars for his
business use it.  It works great and cools even better than Freon.  The
trouble is that the solution has some negative connotations.  The fellow
figured out that a 50/50 mix of propane and butane works best.
Actually, and mix from 10/90 to 90/10 seemed to work just fine.  It is
compatible with all existing seals and hardware.  

People think that three or four pounds of highly flammable propane and
butane in their car is a BAD thing.  These same people don't think twice
about the fact that they are carrying fifty to a hundred pounds of
highly flammable, highly explosive gasoline in the same vehicle.  And
the gasoline is not even in a pressure vessel.

I wonder if COLD-12 is just propane and butane.
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: >
: > Wrong.  It's been proven scientifically (a term you don't seem familiar
: > with) that CFCs destroy the ozone layer.  Gee, some fool could say the
: > earth is flat too.  Doesn't make it so.  You might read up on the science
: > of the situation before showing off your right-wing extremist views.
:
: [snip]
:  
: > Well, AZ would first have to sue to overturn the federal ban, meaning
: > they would have to prove CFCs are harmless.  And they can't do that --
: > every scientific study has shwon CFCs destroy the ozone.  The developers
: > of this theory won the Nobel Prize, something not given for a theory not
: > accepted by science.
:
: I've been loosely following the CFC debate since it began several years
: ago.  From what I've seen, there is still some debate as to whether or not
: CFC's actually destroy the ozone layer.  What has been proven is:
:
: Chlorine free radicals act as an ozone-destroying catalyst.
:
: Under certain conditions, R-12 Freon can release its chlorine atoms.

Those conditions being uv light, in great quantity in the stratosphere.

:
: If I remember correctly, chlorine free radicals are considered a major
: ozone depleter in the stratosphere, moving from one ozone molecule to the
: next and releasing the third Oxygen atom as a free radical.
:
: At the same time, I've also read about a number of volcanoes in the world
: that emit HCl among other gasses, particularly one near the antarctic
: circle.  Some of these volcanoes easily send up plumes into the jet streams
: and some of their gasses penetrate the stratosphere.

No.  Volcanoes emit Cl as HCl.  HCl is water soluble and gets washed out
of the atmosphere very quickly.  CFCs are not water soluble.  After Mt.
Pinatubo erupted, for example, there was NO measurable Cl increase in the
stratosphere.

:
: Supersonic aircraft flying at high altitudes are also suspected as possible
: ozone depleters.

Not a significant source.

:
: To-date, I haven't seen anything so far proving that breakdown of
: dichloro-difluoro-methane occurs in the upper atmosphere.  This isn't to
: say that the research hasn't been done and that the proof exists.  I just
: haven't seen it yet.

Then you need to read.  Start with Science or Chemical & Engioneering
News.  Remember, Rowland won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry for proving
just this.

:
: At the same time, I currently don't have a problem with using the new
: refrigerant in my '95 Saturn, and my '66 Mustang doesn't have an A/C,
: so I guess I'm currently in good shape.
:
: I've seen both the media as well as research scientists balloon facts
: in order to get attention (Pons-Fleischmann is a good example),

But cold fusion was never accepted by the scientific community.  Ozone
depletion, OTOH, is accepted and again, Rowland et al won a Nobel Prize
for it.

: >
: >>picking on you...  But ALL of the refrigerants are ozone-safe
: >
: >Bullshit.
:
: NOONE has yet to prove in any way that they have anything to do with the ozone
: hole.

Sorry, but it has been proven to the satisfaction of the scientific
community that CFCs destroy the ozone layer.  Proven so well that Rowland
and coworkers received the Nobel Prize in Chemistry for it.
: >
:
: Sorry...  Let me re-type.  Destroying the ozone.  
: But, unless you can stop the volcanoes of the earth, which pump a gazillion
: times more flourine into the air than all hte CFC production on earth, I
: suspect our Freon is blameless and the ban is useless.

Sorry, it has been shown conclusively that volcanoes do not put Cl into
the stratosphere.  They emit HCl, which is water soluble and gets washed
out quickly.  CFCs are not water soluble.  Fluorine has nothing to do
with the ozone layer; it's Cl that destroys it.  But we have seen F in
the stratosphere in amounts that correlate extremely well with the Cl
amounts there; another way we know the two are coming from the same
source, CFCs.  We also have measured CFCs in the stratosphere, so we knoe
they get there.

To summarize:

1. We know CFCs make it into the stratosphere -- we've measured them there.
2. We know uv light breaks a Cl free radical off a CFC molecule -- simple
chemistry.
3. We know a Cl free radical breaks down an ozone molecule -- again,
simply chemisty.
4. We know CFCs are the primary source of Cl in the stratosphere because
no other Cl source makes it up there AND the F concentration correlates
with the Cl concentration there.
5. We know the CFC concentration in the stratosphere has been increasing
for decades, correlating with the usage of CFCs.
6. We know the ozone layer has been degrading, correlating with the
amount of CFCs making it up to the stratosphere.

All the world's industrialized nations wouldn't have agreed to the ban on
CFCs if the scientific evidence wasn't overwhelming.

: >>
: >Wrong.  It's been proven scientifically (a term you don't seem familiar
: >with) that CFCs destroy the ozone layer.  Gee, some fool could say the
: >earth is flat too.  Doesn't make it so.  You might read up on the science
: >of the situation before showing off your right-wing extremist views.
: >
:
: Proven?   By whom?   Yeah, yeah, I know, the theory sounds good, and plenty of
: people like it.   NOBODY has proven squat about the ozone hole.

Yes they have.  Maybe if you'd listen to more than Rush Limbaugh and read
more than The American Spectator, you'd know it.  Try reading a
SCIENTIFIC magazine.  That's where you find science.
:
: No, the federal government has to prove the theory about CFC's.  Something
: they c an't do.
:
: >every scientific study has shwon CFCs destroy the ozone.  The developers
:
: Not at all.

Yes.  Rowland and coworkers received the Nobel Prize.  They have proven it.

:
: >of this theory won the Nobel Prize, something not given for a theory not
: >accepted by science.
:
: Yeah, weren't those cold fusion nuts up for a Nobel?

No.  They were laughed at by other scientists.  You really need to read
some scientific journals!:

Check today's New York Times- Science Times section, Tues 6/18.

It's not so universally accepted as you think.

 S>  Then The first thing I do is get on the highway in 1st gear and
 S> leave it there for a while. If I am at a location with drive able
 S> beaches like in Galveston Texas I take a spin on the sand at about
 S> 100 Mph and do doughnuts.  Another favorite is to put the AIR on
 S> high and If I am waiting at a Stoplight I run it up in neutral
 S> till the rev-limiter kicks er off and on and hold it there and
 S> slam it into gear.

This is so juvenile.  It reminds me of a conversation I had with a
friend of mine when I was in 2nd grade ("It doesn't matter if I break
your bike, because it's not mine--and I won't be upset").  

I suppose you are also the kind of person who trashes hotel rooms?

 S>  The Lincoln I had started smoking after 2 days of this so I took
 S> it to a car wash cleaned it in and out , called the 1-800 # and
 S> told em to come get the damn thing and they do every time!

Funny thing, that.  You'd think they would recognize you by now.

 S>  I feel its my right to do this. Cause if guys like me dont they
 S> will SHAFT the rest of you with the cars at 30,000 miles and I
 S> guarantee they wont keep the ones I drive that long......

This just simply wrong.  If you trash their cars, that merely means
that the rental companies will have to accommodate for the cost of the
lost car by charging more to rent them out to people like us.  Don't
think for a second that you are doing ANYBODY a "favor" by trashing
rental cars.  Quite the opposite, in fact.  Any 5th-grader can tell
you, that as you force the expenses of the rental company to go up,
they will merely adapt for it by charging their other customers more.
WE are the people that pay for your irresponsibility, NOT the rental
companies.

As for the 30,000 miles: This is an even sillier argument.  Would you
rather be driving in a car that has been driven nicely for 30,000
miles, or a car that has been driven by someone like you for 10,000?
Easy question.

 S>  I know a lot of you wont agree with me and might even get a
 S> little pissed. But it needs to be done, I have been doing it for 9
 S> years now and never had a problem.....at least I never had
 S> one.....heheheh LOL ROTFL -- Stop =-POLICE-= ***.  E-Mail

<sigh>

 S>   Your comments always welcome

It's people like you who give us Americans a bad name.  

Think how much nicer life would be if people like you could learn to
respect other people's property, instead of trying to find any chance
possible to destroy it.

This is depressing.

--Georgi

1.  don't use the brakes.  on some models you can just stick it into
reverse and feed the power in.
2.  'PARK' is cool too on some models at high speeds (goes away quick
though).
3.  recently:  got in a car with anti-lock brakes.  did panic stops all
the way to boston. (they suck in light snow... won't scratch down to
pavement)
4.  front wheel drive:  put on the emergency brake and stomp on the
gas.  see whether the front or rear axle wins.

:
: >But cold fusion was never accepted by the scientific community.  Ozone
: >depletion, OTOH, is accepted and again, Rowland et al won a Nobel Prize
: >for it.
:
: Check today's New York Times- Science Times section, Tues 6/18.
:
: It's not so universally accepted as you think.
:

I never said "universally."  There're always a few crackpot scientists --
see cold fusion and polywater.  I could easily find a scientist or two
who don't accept quantum theory or relativity, or who don't believe the
speed of light is a constant, or who believe in homeopathic medicine.  
But the vast majority of the scientific community has accepted the
CFC-ozone link, because there's a ton of evidence to support it and none
to refute it.

  Your comments always welcome

 Or when they start leasing  anything that an anarchist can destroy and
not get caughgt!!!
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