rec.autos.simulators

by **Anthony Sii** » Fri, 21 Jun 1996 04:00:00

So the big question is that has anybody used these substitutes in a car
that requires freon? Are they available at your local auto parts store?

Anthony

by **Scott Ellswor** » Fri, 21 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Unfortunately, when the semester starts, the pinheads will go back to
school with the normal people.

We will get a flurry of uneducated, brainless posts that justify
involuntary euthanasia on the first day of school, and then we will see
the ones with the some clue and politeness posting over the following months.

Sigh.

Scott

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by **jpo..** » Fri, 21 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>What pissed off everyone more than his original posting is Martine's
>angry personality and attitude.

Sorry Martine but I think Jerry B. has a point here.

Agreed.

I don't know Martine personally so... not much I can say here. I've
probably said too much all ready in the wrong news group so I'll lay
off the stupid rental car tricks thread.

by **Abe Getchel** » Fri, 21 Jun 1996 04:00:00

> Pearce) writes:

> >In article

> >>> Children will be children. This is why you have to be over 25 to
> rent a
> >>> car!

> >>> --
> >>> Charles Prichard, Maitland FL

> >>Are you kidding me? That guy's probably 40. I know 15 year-olds
> with
> >>learner's permits who have more sense and a hell of a lot more idea
> about
> >>how to treat a car than that guy. Age has nothing to do with it...
> except
> >>that the rental car agents trust the guy implicitly since he's old,
> >>instead of calling the cops on him like they aught to.

> >You are probably right. Seems like I have seen someone like this at a
> stop
> >light on Capitol Blvd, Raleigh, NC. Some idiot is setting at the light
> with
> >a Lincold Continental. I thought the brakes had over heated in the
> rear at
> >first. Maybe they had, but they had because the guy was power braking
> the
> >thing at wideopen. The rear wheels were spinning so fast, they weren't
> even
> >squalling. Left dual marks all the way across the intersection. Guy
> looked
> >to be in his mid thirties to 40's. You could see him laughing and
> grinning
> >like a idiot to his riding partner. He sat there for at least 45 to 50

> >seconds like that. Had to be pretty tough on the whole driveline. I
> respect
> >teh 4.6L after that, anything that can take that kind of abuse that
> long
> >is pretty tough.

> >Later,

> >TurboDave

> >David L. Pearce
> >1984 Laser XE Turbo

> What a great deal!!!! Burning up those lincolns--They will last a
> while!! at lease till the tires get down to the cords..

> They only give you one GIMP spair. and then when you put the gimp
> spair on it will only make it a couple burn outs...
> --
> Stop =-POLICE-= ***.
> E-Mail

> Your comments always welcome

Remember, that's:

Martine, S L...Diamond Bar, CA 91765
Phone: (909)594-3644

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University of Kentucky
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(606)323-6040

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by **Matthew T. Russot** » Fri, 21 Jun 1996 04:00:00

}On page 128 of the July issue of Car Craft magazine there is an article
}that says" Pennzoil FR-12 Refrigerant" Pennzoil Products has become the
}distributor for FRIGC, FR-12 refrigerant. Its properties are virtually
}identical to R-12, also known as Freon, the most widely used automotive
}A/C system refrigerant. However, R-12 is now banned by the EPA.* RE-12
}solves the problem of having to undergo costly changes with an R-12 A/C
}system. It's ready to use with only minimal system adaptation and has
}been accepted by the EPA. New cars now use R-134a and older R-12 systems
}can't use R-134a without significant alterations. The FR-12 refrigerant
}is compatible with R-12 systems. Contact your local auto parts dealer.
}
}*Production of R-12 is banned not the use.
}
}
}The above not including the asterisk is a word for word quote from
}Pennzoil and Car Craft mag. So this stuff is apparently real and
}it is not 134a. It looks like anyone hoarding R-12 is going to be
}out of alot of money in the near future.

Not likely. EPA has been banning the substitutes almost as fast as
they appear.

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by **DMVW** » Fri, 21 Jun 1996 04:00:00

I was told that the patent on R-12 was about to expire so the patent
holder said it was no longer any good so now they can sell the new stuff
with a new patent.
Don't know if it is true but it came from a non-partial mechanic who had
no axe to grind. As for the EPA, I am sure they can be influenced

by **C. Marin Fau** » Fri, 21 Jun 1996 04:00:00

> I am dating myself on that one ! Its the 100 LL , it used to be 130 in
> 1988 when I used to get it. but its blue and makes em run hot and
> knocks fire out of the pistons.

Well, no. Higher octane fuel actually makes an engine run cooler. And
100/130 was green...

C. Marin Faure
author, Flying a Floatplane

by **Richard Fa** » Fri, 21 Jun 1996 04:00:00

> Aha, an Aussie. I don't want to insult a whole nation, but I heard a similar
> story from someone down under about a month ago. About renting an Explorer
> and taking it offroad. Besides the fact that these things are not made for
> that, the Aussie word 'offroad' is not the same as in the US. Said
>something

Strange... The Explorer isn't sold in Australia.... So the
story must be bogus.

The only US product we get is the Cherokee and Grand Cherokee.
You mean a Yankie 4WD can't do what a japanese 4wd can do?

Says something about the American product.

Richard

by **Jon Marcha** » Fri, 21 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>writes:

>>> FInally a man with some sense to know that 1) I am telling the
>truth
>>> and 2) there is NOTHING any of you can do about it!!!
>>> --
>>> Stop =-POLICE-= ***.
>>> E-Mail

>>> Your comments always welcome

>>Nothing we can do?? How many S. L. Martine's live in California?
>>(Answer: exactly one in Diamond Bar)

>>How many national car rental companies are there? (Answer: not
>>too many to write letters to and attach copies of your postings...)

>>Do what you will, but if your caught and forced to pay for your
>>crimes, don't expect us to cry for you. (After all, you are the
>>one bragging about it on the net for whatever reason.)

> Ok go ahead and waste your time !!! all those companies care aboput is
>BOTTOM LINE!! The cars I did this to are loooong Gone!! and they arent
>going to notify the owner and risk being partially liable...
>--
>Stop =-POLICE-= ***.
> E-Mail

> Your comments always welcome

Jon Marchant

by **Jon Marcha** » Fri, 21 Jun 1996 04:00:00

I posted in response to yet another childish whine by S. L. Martine:

>> Ok go ahead and waste your time !!! all those companies care aboput is
>>BOTTOM LINE!! The cars I did this to are loooong Gone!! and they arent
>>going to notify the owner and risk being partially liable...
>>--
>>Stop =-POLICE-= ***.
>> E-Mail

>> Your comments always welcome

>Jon Marchant

Many apologies for the continuation of this idiotic spam. I intended to
e-mail this message back to the little child who started it all, S. L. M. I
have been sending him a copy of each of his spams. I wouldn't want to
suggest that everybody do that, but...

Jon Marchant

by **JBlessi** » Sat, 22 Jun 1996 04:00:00

says...

>Pearce) writes:

>>In article

>>>> Children will be children. This is why you have to be over 25 to
>rent a
>>>> car!

>>>> --
>>>> Charles Prichard, Maitland FL

>>>Are you kidding me? That guy's probably 40. I know 15 year-olds
>with
>>>learner's permits who have more sense and a hell of a lot more idea
>about
>>>how to treat a car than that guy. Age has nothing to do with it...
>except
>>>that the rental car agents trust the guy implicitly since he's old,
>>>instead of calling the cops on him like they aught to.

>>You are probably right. Seems like I have seen someone like this at a
>stop
>>light on Capitol Blvd, Raleigh, NC. Some idiot is setting at the light
>with
>>a Lincold Continental. I thought the brakes had over heated in the
>rear at
>>first. Maybe they had, but they had because the guy was power braking
>the
>>thing at wideopen. The rear wheels were spinning so fast, they weren't
>even
>>squalling. Left dual marks all the way across the intersection. Guy
>looked
>>to be in his mid thirties to 40's. You could see him laughing and
>grinning
>>like a idiot to his riding partner. He sat there for at least 45 to 50

>>seconds like that. Had to be pretty tough on the whole driveline. I
>respect
>>teh 4.6L after that, anything that can take that kind of abuse that
>long
>>is pretty tough.

Except that the Continental is front wheel drive....
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by **Eric L. Ada** » Sat, 22 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Martine) writes:

>>Please...stop

>Ok Ill stop !! But its not my fault to all of those who reply!!!
>--
>Stop =-POLICE-= ***.
> E-Mail

> Your comments always welcome

Hey kid, do your folks know that you are using their computer?

by **Daniel Smereczyns** » Sat, 22 Jun 1996 04:00:00

How about this, drain all the oil out, and see how far the car can go.
Like a competition, for example take a toyota vs. a chevy. See which
car can get farther on no oil. Or better yet, in a six cylinder car,
take 4 cylinders out and see the 0-60 time. Boy this list can go on, I
appreciate the tips.

by **Jerry Bransfor** » Sat, 22 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Some idiot is setting at the light

When did the Continental go to front wheel drive? I had a Continental
company car several years ago (what a BOAT!) and it was still a
rear-wheel drive car.
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL, KC6TAY, C.A.P.
The Zen hotdog... make me one with everything!

by **Jerry Bransfor** » Sat, 22 Jun 1996 04:00:00

> > I am dating myself on that one ! Its the 100 LL , it used to be 130 in
> > 1988 when I used to get it. but its blue and makes em run hot and
> > knocks fire out of the pistons.

> Well, no. Higher octane fuel actually makes an engine run cooler. And
> 100/130 was green...

> C. Marin Faure
> author, Flying a Floatplane

Read the two earlier posts on what higher octane does, cannot do, and
what harm it can actually cause to an engine. It does not always cause
an engine to run cooler, and in some cases can actually cause an engine
to run hotter and even severely damage some engines. Not rumor, fact!
It's amazing how few people know what octane is and does.
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL, KC6TAY, C.A.P.
The Zen hotdog... make me one with everything!

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