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Keith Harv

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by Keith Harv » Tue, 18 Jun 1996 04:00:00



WHO ***ING CARES***HEAD???????????????

Francis A. Ney, J

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by Francis A. Ney, J » Tue, 18 Jun 1996 04:00:00




> :     Hmmm riding through town in a faithful replica of an Apollo suit would
> : certainly cause a stir...

>  One way to find out.  I'm about to head through downtown Kansas City
> during rush hour in a suit of 15th century plate armor on a 750...

Does that include the plate armor helmet, or are you wearing the standard
brain-bucket?  Where in KC does the Society hang out?

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Eric

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by Eric » Tue, 18 Jun 1996 04:00:00



ditto.

Neil O'Brie

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by Neil O'Brie » Tue, 18 Jun 1996 04:00:00




> > <moronic blither deleted>

> > It's funny the number of posts there are that serve no purpose, except
to
> >***people off enough to send you hate mail.  And from the looks of
> > where this is going...there will be alot of it!

<SNIP>

Looks like a troll to me, nearly as good as the Alec Guiness is dead, is
not, is....
ad nauseum one.

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Mark Koskenma

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by Mark Koskenma » Wed, 19 Jun 1996 04:00:00



NOONE has yet to prove in any way that they have anything to do with the ozone
hole.

Sorry...  Let me re-type.  Destroying the ozone.  
But, unless you can stop the volcanoes of the earth, which pump a gazillion
times more flourine into the air than all hte CFC production on earth, I
suspect our Freon is blameless and the ban is useless.

According to an article in the Wall Street Journal during the last 3 weeks,
this is exactly what people are claiming.

I'm in control, I'm The Wagonmaster!
If you are into conservative politics
autocross-SOLO II- or Excalibur BBS
then I'm your man!

Mark Koskenma

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by Mark Koskenma » Wed, 19 Jun 1996 04:00:00



the price is well known among those of us who fix cars for a living.

THe lethality is stated by various warnings given by equipment manufacturers.
  It can be absorbed through the skin, should it contact you in liquid form.  
 And, if it happens, it can be lethal.

Well, I've read the theories reported about it, and to be honest, they make
not a*** of sense, to someone who DOES have common sense.

I'm in control, I'm The Wagonmaster!
If you are into conservative politics
autocross-SOLO II- or Excalibur BBS
then I'm your man!

Mark Koskenma

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by Mark Koskenma » Wed, 19 Jun 1996 04:00:00



Proven?   By whom?   Yeah, yeah, I know, the theory sounds good, and plenty of
people like it.   NOBODY has proven squat about the ozone hole.

It does?   Really?   WHo's proved it?

134a can be absorbed through the skin, according to the warnings given to
handlers.

No, the federal government has to prove the theory about CFC's.  Something
they c an't do.

Not at all.

Yeah, weren't those cold fusion nuts up for a Nobel?

I'm in control, I'm The Wagonmaster!
If you are into conservative politics
autocross-SOLO II- or Excalibur BBS
then I'm your man!

Jeffrey Le

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by Jeffrey Le » Wed, 19 Jun 1996 04:00:00

For detailed refutation of the theory that volcanoes are causing ozone
depletion, see our web site:
<URL:http://www.epa.gov/ozone/science/>

Read the myths vs. measurement pages, and then move on to the parts of the
ozone FAQ that will give you all the citations you could want.

Other pages off the main science page present an explanation of how CFCs
destroy ozone, and this is also discussed in the ozone FAQ.  In addition,
there's a link from the science page to the 1994 Scientific Assessment of
Ozone Depletion, a consensus document that summarizes the findings of
nearly 300 of the world's top atmospheric researchers.

The proof is there;  read away!

Jeffrey Levy
USEPA

Shawn Lond

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by Shawn Lond » Wed, 19 Jun 1996 04:00:00



> FInally a man with some sense to know that   1) I am telling the truth
> and 2) there is NOTHING any of you can do about it!!!
> --
> Stop =-POLICE-= ***.
>  E-Mail

>   Your comments always welcome

You see, that's what you don't understand... we don't HAVE to do anything
about you, because sooner or later you'll***up on your own.  I'm work
on an ambulance, and I must pull one *** who though he was Speed Racer
out of a car wreck every week.  The problem is that you most likely don't
drive like Emmerson Fittipaldi and I'm sure you can't spring for a car
like the Mach 5.

I just feel bad for the poor bastard that is going to be hurt when you do
***up.  Then again, when he sues your ass and takes away your house as
well as half your income for the next 40 years, the score will be settled.

--
Shawn London

Matthew McDona

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by Matthew McDona » Wed, 19 Jun 1996 04:00:00



>> I read a post a while back that talked about Lease cars and what to
>>and not to look for!!

>> Well I am the guy you FEAR! I am the one who goes on vacation and

><snip>

>> I know a lot of you wont agree with me and might even get a little
>>pissed. But it needs to be done, I have been doing it for 9 years now
>>and never had a problem.....at least I never had one.....heheheh LOL
>>ROTFL

>That story is hiliarous!!  I loved it.  One other thing you might add
>to your bag of outstanding rental car tricks is to put it in reverse,
>slam the accelerator home till you get up to about 30 or 40 mph and
>then drop her in drive and slam it home again.  I promise you you'll
>be smokin' some ***!!!  This is really awesome if there are a few
>bikini clad babes around to applaud your driving skills.

Driving Skills ???????

Cool Trick?????

Also Cool?????

Jeezzz there's some weirdo out there, makes me glad to be in Australia
away from all the weirdos like this guy.

Get a life

matthew

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Scott Gain

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by Scott Gain » Wed, 19 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Gee, last time I rented a car, I gave it a good wax job and changed
the oil.  Boy do I feel stupid!

Regards,

Scott Gaines

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Henry H Hanste

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by Henry H Hanste » Wed, 19 Jun 1996 04:00:00

: That story is hiliarous!!  I loved it.  One other thing you might add
: to your bag of outstanding rental car tricks is to put it in reverse,
: slam the accelerator home till you get up to about 30 or 40 mph and
: then drop her in drive and slam it home again.

 There's a better way. Once you get rolling in reverse, pause in neutral
with the throttle wide open, engine on the rev limiter. Then and only
then is it appropriate to select first gear. Hope this helps.
 Henry

Keith Harv

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by Keith Harv » Wed, 19 Jun 1996 04:00:00




>:
>: Actually, Jeffery...   I hear this all the time...and please don't think
I'm
>: picking on you...  But ALL of the refrigerants are ozone-safe.   I find it
>: amazing that you personally buy into the nonsense about them destroying
the
>: ozone hole.   What's even more amazing is that, while it's taken 50 years
of
>: production, and massive releases to damage the ozone they say,  supposedly
>: it's already healing - and it's supposed to be due to the new laws.

>Wrong.  It's been proven scientifically (a term you don't seem familiar
>with) that CFCs destroy the ozone layer.  Gee, some fool could say the
>earth is flat too.  Doesn't make it so.  You might read up on the science
>of the situation before showing off your right-wing extremist views.

>:
>: I don't get it, freon-12 is almost harmless, i

>Destroys ozone on the stratosphere, leading to increased uv radiation on
>earth, leading to skin cancer, cataracts, and genetic mutations.  Hardly
>harmless.

>: t's not poisonous unless burned,
>: but 134a is lethal.    

>Not so.  Both kill by suffocation.

>: And, it's 4 times the cost.   I figure that's where the
>: REAL value of it is.   You should be ashamed to have your agency used
>: politically to profit the maker of 134a.    

>You should be embarrasseed by your rantings that are unsupported by any
>science.

>: I hope Arizona sticks with their
>: determination to re-start the production of r-12.   The EPA lawsuit will
have
>: to PROVE the theory about ozone depletion, which it cannot do, and we'll
be
>: done with this nonsense.
>:

>Well, AZ would first have to sue to overturn the federal ban, meaning
>they would have to prove CFCs are harmless.  And they can't do that --
>every scientific study has shwon CFCs destroy the ozone.  The developers
>of this theory won the Nobel Prize, something not given for a theory not
>accepted by science.

Don't hold your breath waiting for Arizona to sue the feds, the guy (J Fife
Symington |||) that threatened to re-instate freon in AZ has been indited on
charges of extortion & many other various related charges.
Bob Spear US

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by Bob Spear US » Wed, 19 Jun 1996 04:00:00

        I understand from my mechanic that it's trade name is COLD-12.
        Yes, it is legal but you still need recovery equipment for it.
        My mechanic also stated that FREON-12 is still available but the
        cost is $2/oz.  In the typical system needing 3 - 4 lbs of FREON,
        your recharge cost will be $120 for the material plus the "EPA fee".
        The total recharge cost was put at $400.

        He did state that the cost for COLD-12 was much more resonable and
        they expected to offer this alternative in 3 months.

        Bob

Jay Pon

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by Jay Pon » Wed, 19 Jun 1996 04:00:00


>Jeezzz there's some weirdo out there, makes me glad to be in Australia
>away from all the weirdos like this guy.
>Get a life

Matthew - I believe this entire thread is about who has a life
and who doesn't.  I could be wrong but the people with lives have
a sense of humor about this ridiculous post and the people without
lives actually think this shit is true and are compelled to respond.

Care to reconsider which category you fall into.  Surely you don't
really believe I leave dead animals in the backs of rental cars
just because I posted such.

Come on, dream up a rental car story and entertain us!!


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