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S.L. Marti

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by S.L. Marti » Wed, 26 Jun 1996 04:00:00





>>Where do you get all the money for this car renting?  Do you ever
>>worry that your name will get forwarded by someone to several of the
>>major rental car companies?  Why did you start this thread?  What
kind
>>of idiot are you?  Didn't you mother teach you any manners?  Why
don't
>>you figure out how to abuse your computer?  Why don't you post
>>somewhere else?  Why don't you take a vacation where there is no
>>communication with other humans?  Lets see, did I leave anything out?

>>> I didnt say I wanted to keep the car, for more than a day!! its a
>>>rental car and the more I tear it up the better!!! I just want to
take
>>>it back semi-running so they rent it to a couple more people before
>>>complete failure so they dont know where to lay the blame....
>>>and your right I love to waste new rental cars!!

>    Yes, and then the rental car companies have to replace the cars
more
>often, which leads to higher rates.  I sure hope there aren't any
>morons like you all across the country.

>Kyle

Oh there are , trust me there are !!! MORONS just like me all over the
country do you think I dreamed up this activity? No someone taught it
to me , and I hear the Travellers do this all the time.
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S.L. Marti

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by S.L. Marti » Wed, 26 Jun 1996 04:00:00

 Herez another one!! A friend of mine needed a new EFI housing on his
5.0 mustang his was split at the plenum where it meets the MAF housing
.. a used one from the wrecking yard was 200 bux a new one from ford
was over 500 but for $39.95 he rented a mustang from AVIS and changed
his with the one on the rental car and WALLAH no one was the wiser!!!

 Has anyone ever done that? when a part s more than say 40 bux just
rent the like car and swap em out??
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Wingnu

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by Wingnu » Wed, 26 Jun 1996 04:00:00



> Some idiot is setting at the light
> > >with
> > >>a Lincold Continental. I thought the brakes had over heated in the
> > >rear at
> > >>first. Maybe they had, but they had because the guy was power braking
> > >the
> > >>thing at wideopen. The rear wheels were spinning so fast, they weren't
> > >even
> > >>squalling. Left dual marks all the way across the intersection. Guy
> > >looked
> > >>to be in his mid thirties to 40's. You could see him laughing and
> > >grinning
> > >>like a idiot to his riding partner. He sat there for at least 45 to 50

> > >>seconds like that. Had to be pretty tough on the whole driveline. I
> > >respect
> > >>teh 4.6L after that, anything that can take that kind of abuse that
> > >long
> > >>is pretty tough.

> > Except that the Continental is front wheel drive....
> > --
> > Jordan Blessing L1 Master Tech

> When did the Continental go to front wheel drive?  I had a Continental
> company car several years ago (what a BOAT!) and it was still a
> rear-wheel drive car.
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL, KC6TAY, C.A.P.
> The Zen hotdog... make me one with everything!

the new continentals are based offf of the taurus line, which means it
is a front wheel drive 3.8L v6.  the only rear wheel drive licolns are
the towncar and mark 8.  the continental has been front wheel drive at
least since 1989
Jeffrey Le

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by Jeffrey Le » Thu, 27 Jun 1996 04:00:00





> >: I was told that the patent on R-12 was about to expire so the patent
> >: holder said it was no longer any good so now they can sell the new stuff
> >: with a new patent.
> >: Don't know if it is true but it came from a non-partial mechanic who had
> >: no axe to grind. As for the EPA, I am sure they can be influenced

> >Not true.  Many companies have made R12.  The EPA has approved several
> >substitutes.  Your mechanic is ignorant.

> >Why do these myths about conspiraces keep raising their heads?  Do people
> >have some need to believe somebody's trying to control their lives?

> DuPont's patent was about to expire. This would have made R-12 real
> cheap, and DuPont needed to market a new product to retain a monopolistic
> profit margin. Sure, other companies marketed r-12, but DuPont got their
> piece of the action, due to patent rights.

>    The EPA is in no doubt out to control people's lives and the economy.
> Watch what will happen when they restrict the sale of motor oil. You can
> bet that they will target that next, citing hazardous waste reasons. They
> already want to make backyard wrenching a felonious offense.

> New future EPA mandate:

> All car owners shall have the gap between the hood and the fenders welded
> shut.
> --
> Larry

No, Larry, no matter how desperately you want to believe it, patents still
expire 17 years after they're granted.  Since CFCs were invented in the
1930s, the patent was LONG expired.  Even you could have made them.  Where
does this myth come from, anyway?  Who started it?  It shows an
astonishing lack of knowledge about very basic and easy to check law.

Jeffrey Levy
USEPA

Wilson La

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by Wilson La » Thu, 27 Jun 1996 04:00:00

This is not true. They only have theories to explain what they think is
happening. The EPA is the one that pushed for the ban on R-12. Arizon rocks
because they are defying the ban and will continue to produce R-12.

It was found that farts increase the rate of deterioration of old art work. Are they
going to make people take Beano before entering a museum?

If you want fact about this (R-12 I mean), talk with any Civil/Environmental
engineer. They will gladly give you information about this. All the hype about
R-12 comes from the EPA. Stop reading Al Gore's book. It is science fiction.

Mel Lamme

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by Mel Lamme » Fri, 28 Jun 1996 04:00:00

More *intelligent* feedback from the ignorant


>There has been NO hard evidence that CFC's cause any depletion in the ozone layer. The
>state of Arizona is right on with defying that ban. They will continue to make it. Good
>for them. All that ***I have been reading has been coming from the EPA. Those
>panty-waist cissy boys want everyone to drive electric cars. Remember that something has
>to generate that electricity. Burn that coal baby!

--Mel--
96 SL2m LtGn/Gr AC CC ABS
TC AU PW PL KE T2W NG
Darren Settl

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by Darren Settl » Fri, 28 Jun 1996 04:00:00



>> Herez another one!! A friend of mine needed a new EFI housing on his
>>5.0 mustang his was split at the plenum where it meets the MAF housing
>>.. a used one from the wrecking yard was 200 bux a new one from ford
>>was over 500 but for $39.95 he rented a mustang from AVIS and changed
>>his with the one on the rental car and WALLAH no one was the wiser!!!

>Your friend is a thief.    and there are places for people like him ....

        check out this Url
        http://www.state.tn.us/correction/bmsp.html
        this is where i work and i deal with scum everyday just like your
        friend........you might let him view it also ...........
Chuck Happk

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by Chuck Happk » Fri, 28 Jun 1996 04:00:00


>snip<

> I'll have to agree with Gene,  I work in the scientific community and
> there are alot of people that just want the money for their half baked
> ideas.  Interesting thing about the ozone layer is that ham radio uses
> the ozone layer for bouncing signals off.  Surprisingly the radio
> propagation is dependent on sun spot activity which is virtually nill
> right now, but in a few years propagation is supposed to increase
> because the sun spots will return.  At the same time there are
> scientists who say the ozone hole will be reducing by the year 2000
> because of all the steps taken for CFC removal.  Makes you wonder!

> Bud
> omne ignotum pro magnifico

I'll bet that you aren't a ham radio operator. We don't bounce radio
signals off the ozone layer. The E-layer, F-Layer, on and on and on,
all *ionized* layers of the atmosphere.

I've never heard of radio signals being bounced off the ozone layer!

-- Dan Meyer / N00KFB

Lloyd R. Park

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by Lloyd R. Park » Fri, 28 Jun 1996 04:00:00


:
: Contains a flammable blend of hydrocarbons....  now there's a reason
: to ban something for use in a car.  Has anyone checked out what's in
: gasoline?

1. Count how many times the ac condensor is ruptured in a collision vs
how many times a gas line is ruptured.  And there's now a gov't standard
for gas leakage in an accident.
2. Can you prove the hoses, fittings, etc., in the ac system won't be
attacked or penetrated by substances they weren't designed for?
3. Air that blows into the passenger comp. runs over the ac lines.  Not
so for the gas lines.

If you design and engineer a system for a flammable mixture, I could see
using it.  But not sticking such a mixture into an existing system.

Lloyd R. Park

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by Lloyd R. Park » Fri, 28 Jun 1996 04:00:00

:
:
: I'll have to agree with Gene,  I work in the scientific community and
: there are alot of people that just want the money for their half baked
: ideas.  Interesting thing about the ozone layer is that ham radio uses
: the ozone layer for bouncing signals off.  Surprisingly the radio
: propagation is dependent on sun spot activity which is virtually nill
: right now, but in a few years propagation is supposed to increase
: because the sun spots will return.  At the same time there are
: scientists who say the ozone hole will be reducing by the year 2000
: because of all the steps taken for CFC removal.  Makes you wonder!
:

Wrong.  Ham radio signals bounce off the ionosphere, not the ozone
layer.  Ozone is transparent to radio waves.

And the crackpots are those still claiming CFCs don't destroy the ozone,
in spite of overwhelming hard data, accepted theories, and a Nobel Prize
to the originators.

Lloyd R. Park

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by Lloyd R. Park » Fri, 28 Jun 1996 04:00:00

: >
: > But it HAS been proven CFCs destroy the ozone layer.  Have you read ANY
: > scientific articles?  Where does your pseudoinformation come from? And it
: > was an international treaty, signed by President Bush and ratified by the
: > Senate, that's banned R12.  Not the EPA.
:
: This is not true. They only have theories to explain what they think is
: happening. The EPA is the one that pushed for the ban on R-12. Arizon rocks
: because they are defying the ban and will continue to produce R-12.

1. A theory is the accepted scientific explanation for something.  It is
NOT just somebody's idea or guess.  You might learn the meaning of terms
before you use them.  The theory about CFCs destroying the ozone layer is
accepted by the scientific community, by the leaders of the western
nations, by the Nobel Prize committee, etc.  And because:

2. There is overwhelming hard data supporting this theory.  Data =
facts.  Something you wouldn't know anything about.
:
: If you want fact about this (R-12 I mean), talk with any Civil/Environmental
: engineer. They will gladly give you information about this. All the hype about
: R-12 comes from the EPA. Stop reading Al Gore's book. It is science fiction.

What does an engineer know about chemistry or the stratosphere?  And it's
your unscientific lunacies that are sci-fi.  Have you ever even opened a
scientific journal?

Lloyd R. Park

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by Lloyd R. Park » Fri, 28 Jun 1996 04:00:00

: There has been NO hard evidence that CFC's cause any depletion in the ozone layer. The
: state of Arizona is right on with defying that ban. They will continue to make it. Good
: for them. All that ***I have been reading has been coming from the EPA. Those
: panty-waist cissy boys want everyone to drive electric cars. Remember that something has
: to generate that electricity. Burn that coal baby!

As wrong and ignorant as you can be.  Read any scientific articles?  
Doubt it.  Where does your info come from, comic books?  There is
overwhelming evidence CFCs destroy the ozone layer.  You are either lying
or deliberately remaining ignorant.  Which is it?

Neil

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by Neil » Fri, 28 Jun 1996 04:00:00

 But it HAS been proven CFCs destroy the ozone layer.  Have you read ANY

scientist, supposedly, you should know that.

It is
all.

you jump up and down saying I have no basis, I want to say, neither do
you.

 I could be a literature professor and have basic chemistry knowledge.  
Your claim here has no basis, Lloyd.  Also, if you're such the chemistry
guru, maybe you could clear up a questin for me.  If the CFC molecule is
so much heavier than air, how does it get 30 miles up to create an ozone
hole?  How come supporters of the 'ozone hole' theory neglect to say
that there is an ozone hole at each of the poles every winter due to
lack of sunlight?  How come they also neglect to tell us that those
holes, in only one of the many ozone layers by the way, closes up every
summer when the sunlight returns?  So many questions, so few answers.  
Until these can be answered with a positive, universally accepted, hard
data fact, do us all a favor, and keep your theories to yourself.  Thank
you.

--
Neil Emiro
1986 Shelby GLHS #053
1987 Shelby CSX #439
1987 Shelby z
1988 Dodge Omni America

Edward H

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by Edward H » Fri, 28 Jun 1996 04:00:00


> the new continentals are based offf of the taurus line, which means it
> is a front wheel drive 3.8L v6.

You are partially right. The new continentals are FWD.

But it has 4.6L 32valve V8 which you can't get it from a Taurus. Only

Mark 8, Continental, and Mustang Cobra get this powerful engin.

N9LD

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by N9LD » Fri, 28 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Boy if everyone in the newgroup were ham operators maybe there wouldn't be
so many stupid questions.



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