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S.L. Marti

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by S.L. Marti » Sun, 16 Jun 1996 04:00:00

 RIGHT!! No I dont lie But I love HATE mail send it to me!!! NOW!! You
***!


Abrahamson) writes:


><moronic blither deleted>

>It's funny the number of posts there are that serve no purpose, except
to
>piss people off enough to send you hate mail.  And from the looks of
>where this is going...there will be alot of it!

>If this is the case...JOB WELL DONE!

>Otherwise I say you're a liar.  I bet you rent apartments,***on the
>carpet then move and tell us that you're doing us a favor..thanks
alot.

>--
>Ryan Thomas Abrahamson                         North Dakota State
University
>                         mmmmmm.....bacon               -Homer Simpson
>    '66 Mustang cpe:'89 Mustang 5.0:'79 Impala (what can I say?)
>       FORD! Where quality is job number....well it's up there anyway.

--
Stop =-POLICE-= ***.
 E-Mail

  Your comments always welcome

S.L. Marti

Legal Freon Substitute

by S.L. Marti » Sun, 16 Jun 1996 04:00:00

 Oh come one I am just haveing a little fun!!! Get out from behind your
monitor once in a while guy!!! Take a walk and lose a few punds off
that fat ass of yours!!





>> >Subject: Re: How I drive lease cars!!-To Death
>> >Date: 14 Jun 1996 05:03:09 GMT

>> > I read a post a while back that talked about Lease cars and what
to
>> >and not to look for!!

>> > Well I am the guy you FEAR! I am the one who goes on vacation and
>> >rents a luxury 40,000 car like a lincoln Towne car or a caddilac
>> >Seville!

>> > Then The first thing I do is get on the highway in 1st gear and
leave
>> >it there for a while. If I am at a location with drive able beaches
>> >like in Galveston Texas I take a spin on the sand at about 100 Mph
and
>> >do doughnuts.  Another favorite is to put the AIR on high and If I
am
>> >waiting at a Stoplight I run it up in neutral till the rev-limiter
>> >kicks er off and on and hold it there and slam it into gear.

>> > The Lincoln I had started smoking after 2 days of this so I took
it to
>> >a car wash cleaned it in and out , called the 1-800 # and told em
to
>> >come get the damn thing and they do every time!

>> > I feel its my right to do this. Cause if guys like me dont they
will
>> >SHAFT the rest of you with the cars at 30,000 miles and I guarantee
>> >they wont keep the ones I drive that long......

>> > Also NEVER sign the Insurance waiver thing. Use your own and let
them
>> >worry about it if it gets crashed. I had one stolen in florida 2
years
>> >ago and the chick said "For 2 dollars more You could have gotten
theft
>> >Insurance" I said what the *** do I care it wasnt mine and You
cant
>> >claim it on my insurance since you "HERTZ" is self insured.
>> > They tried it though and my company "State fFarm" told em to
BLOW!!!

>> > I know a lot of you wont agree with me and might even get a little
>> >pissed. But it needs to be done, I have been doing it for 9 years
now
>> >and never had a problem.....at least I never had one.....heheheh
LOL
>> >ROTFL
>> >--
>> >Stop =-POLICE-= ***.
>> > E-Mail

>> >  Your comments always welcome

>There are jerks everywhere, the above posting is simple
proof.....thanks
>for increasing the rates I have to pay to rent cars!

>--
>Jerry Bransford
>PP-ASEL, KC6TAY, C.A.P.
>The Zen hotdog... make me one with everything!

--
Stop =-POLICE-= ***.
 E-Mail

  Your comments always welcome

Jerry Bransfor

Legal Freon Substitute

by Jerry Bransfor » Sun, 16 Jun 1996 04:00:00

You're awfully brave on your keyboard...when is the last time you called
someone a "fat ass" to their face?  If you said that to my face, it
would be the *last* time you would say it.  

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL, KC6TAY, C.A.P.
The Zen hotdog... make me one with everything!


>  Oh come one I am just haveing a little fun!!! Get out from behind your
> monitor once in a while guy!!! Take a walk and lose a few punds off
> that fat ass of yours!!





> >> >Subject: Re: How I drive lease cars!!-To Death
> >> >Date: 14 Jun 1996 05:03:09 GMT

> >> > I read a post a while back that talked about Lease cars and what
> to
> >> >and not to look for!!

> >> > Well I am the guy you FEAR! I am the one who goes on vacation and
> >> >rents a luxury 40,000 car like a lincoln Towne car or a caddilac
> >> >Seville!

> >> > Then The first thing I do is get on the highway in 1st gear and
> leave
> >> >it there for a while. If I am at a location with drive able beaches
> >> >like in Galveston Texas I take a spin on the sand at about 100 Mph
> and
> >> >do doughnuts.  Another favorite is to put the AIR on high and If I
> am
> >> >waiting at a Stoplight I run it up in neutral till the rev-limiter
> >> >kicks er off and on and hold it there and slam it into gear.

> >> > The Lincoln I had started smoking after 2 days of this so I took
> it to
> >> >a car wash cleaned it in and out , called the 1-800 # and told em
> to
> >> >come get the damn thing and they do every time!

> >> > I feel its my right to do this. Cause if guys like me dont they
> will
> >> >SHAFT the rest of you with the cars at 30,000 miles and I guarantee
> >> >they wont keep the ones I drive that long......

> >> > Also NEVER sign the Insurance waiver thing. Use your own and let
> them
> >> >worry about it if it gets crashed. I had one stolen in florida 2
> years
> >> >ago and the chick said "For 2 dollars more You could have gotten
> theft
> >> >Insurance" I said what the *** do I care it wasnt mine and You
> cant
> >> >claim it on my insurance since you "HERTZ" is self insured.
> >> > They tried it though and my company "State fFarm" told em to
> BLOW!!!

> >> > I know a lot of you wont agree with me and might even get a little
> >> >pissed. But it needs to be done, I have been doing it for 9 years
> now
> >> >and never had a problem.....at least I never had one.....heheheh
> LOL
> >> >ROTFL
> >> >--
> >> >Stop =-POLICE-= ***.
> >> > E-Mail

> >> >  Your comments always welcome

> >There are jerks everywhere, the above posting is simple
> proof.....thanks
> >for increasing the rates I have to pay to rent cars!

> >--
> >Jerry Bransford
> >PP-ASEL, KC6TAY, C.A.P.
> >The Zen hotdog... make me one with everything!

> --
> Stop =-POLICE-= ***.
>  E-Mail

>   Your comments always welcome

Tom Johnsto

Legal Freon Substitute

by Tom Johnsto » Sun, 16 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Right on!  Trashing rental cars is a gas!  Some folks might not
appreciate the idea, but then ***ing things up isn't for everybody,
right?  Besides, Hertz wouldn't hesitate to poke you in your rear if
they got a chance...

Personally, I can think of a few.. there was that Regal that went back
minus a BIG hunk of *** from a 50' slide care of a bottle of bourbon
and a hankering to make a little noise at 3:00 am.  I can still remember
the hangover and the fwap-fwap-fwap of the tires on the way back to the
lot.. and the Cougar that took a beating on the railroad tracks one
night .. oh, and the Tracer that mysteriously hit a pole (testing the
5mph bumpers).. and the brand new New Yorker with the ruined carpets
(frequented steel mills and the like at the time -- some of the most
amazingly dirty places, incredible gunk you get into).. then there was
that Cutlass my friend showed up in a few years back.  I wound up doing
tour duty in SF for three fatsos (all over 300#).  Up and down over
telegraph hill, up and down through the east bay hills, all over Marin
headlands, you name it.  The rotors were warped like a potato chip,
boiled the brake fluid, and the transmission starting to slip pretty
bad.  Piece of ***car, that was.

It always amazed me that people actually buy used rental cars.. I mean,
ever check out anything else that was a rental .. like tools, or a
house?  Go figure.

-t-

Shawn Lond

Legal Freon Substitute

by Shawn Lond » Mon, 17 Jun 1996 04:00:00



>  No you dont pay for my abuse you IDIOT!

>  It comes out of the plutocrats pockets!! how high will rental car
> prices go>?? Not far people wont rent em!!

What do you think happens after the rental company tows the car to the
junkyard?  They write the car off as a loss and pass the cost on to the
insurance company who passes the cost on to.... now think real hard....
EVERYONE in the form of higher premiums.  In case you forgot, a premium is
the already exorbitant amount of money you pay every six months to insure
your car.  

Of course, you will probably say, "Well then people won't buy insurance!"
in your initimable witty fashion.  The problem is you need insurance to
drive unless you want to go to lose your license... hmmm... wait... on
second though, don't pay your premium.  If you did lose your license,
insurance rates would drop inside two weeks.

--
Shawn London

Charles Prichar

Legal Freon Substitute

by Charles Prichar » Mon, 17 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Children will be children.  This is why you have to be over 25 to rent a
car!

--
Charles Prichard, Maitland FL

Lugnu

Legal Freon Substitute

by Lugnu » Mon, 17 Jun 1996 04:00:00


> What do you think happens after the rental company tows the car to the
> junkyard?  They write the car off as a loss and pass the cost on to the
> insurance company who passes the cost on to.... now think real hard....
> EVERYONE in the form of higher premiums.  In case you forgot, a premium is

Aw, crap.  Don't even push my button about insurance companies (I live in CA,
does it show?)  Go ahead -- bust up a couple rentals cars.  They can absorb
it.

--Tom

Ryan Rah

Legal Freon Substitute

by Ryan Rah » Mon, 17 Jun 1996 04:00:00

:  No you dont pay for my abuse you IDIOT!

:  It comes out of the plutocrats pockets!! how high will rental car
: prices go>?? Not far people wont rent em!!

You ***, rental car companies buy new cars for one reason.  They're
under the manufacturer's warranty.  Which means that the manufacturer
ends up paying for it, not the rental company, and that cost is passed
down to the consumer.

Ryan

Mark Koskenma

Legal Freon Substitute

by Mark Koskenma » Mon, 17 Jun 1996 04:00:00




>I don't know exactly what it is, but there isn't a single "ozone-safe"
>refrigerant on the market today other than HFC-134a for use in motor
>vehicle air conditioning.  Again, see our fact sheet at
><URL:http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/snap/macssubs.html>
>for more information.  Also, note that for all EPA-acceptable
>refrigerants, you must use unique fittings, you must apply a label, and
>you must remove the R-12 first.  There is no such thing as a legal
>"drop-in."  Read our fact sheet to find out why preventing
>cross-contamination of refrigerants is important.

>Jeffrey Levy
>USEPA

Actually, Jeffery...   I hear this all the time...and please don't think I'm
picking on you...  But ALL of the refrigerants are ozone-safe.   I find it
amazing that you personally buy into the nonsense about them destroying the
ozone hole.   What's even more amazing is that, while it's taken 50 years of
production, and massive releases to damage the ozone they say,  supposedly
it's already healing - and it's supposed to be due to the new laws.

I don't get it, freon-12 is almost harmless, it's not poisonous unless burned,
but 134a is lethal.    And, it's 4 times the cost.   I figure that's where the
REAL value of it is.   You should be ashamed to have your agency used
politically to profit the maker of 134a.    I hope Arizona sticks with their
determination to re-start the production of r-12.   The EPA lawsuit will have
to PROVE the theory about ozone depletion, which it cannot do, and we'll be
done with this nonsense.

I'm in control, I'm The Wagonmaster!
If you are into conservative politics
autocross-SOLO II- or Excalibur BBS
then I'm your man!

Willem-Jan Markeri

Legal Freon Substitute

by Willem-Jan Markeri » Mon, 17 Jun 1996 04:00:00





>> >A Louisiana-based company is now selling a FREON Substitute.  That's
>> >right! Call 504-522-2222

>> >* Absolutely 100% Legal
>> >* Perfect Performance and Refrigeration substitute for Freon
>> >* No license requried to buy
>> >* Will sell to anyone
>> >* Refrigeration/FREON substitute
>> >* Does not depleat Ozone layer
>> >* Retail $12.95

>> >                       Contact:
>> >                       Meyer's Auto Parts
>> >                       New Orleans, Louisiana
>> >                       (504) 522-2222

>> IS IT FLAMABLE???
>I don't know exactly what it is, but there isn't a single "ozone-safe"
>refrigerant on the market today other than HFC-134a for use in motor
>vehicle air conditioning.  Again, see our fact sheet at
><URL:http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/snap/macssubs.html>
>for more information.  Also, note that for all EPA-acceptable
>refrigerants, you must use unique fittings, you must apply a label, and
>you must remove the R-12 first.  There is no such thing as a legal
>"drop-in."  Read our fact sheet to find out why preventing
>cross-contamination of refrigerants is important.

>Jeffrey Levy
>USEPA

What is the current position of (Solkane) 406a, heavily discussed last year
on this group. I recall that it was 30% more efficient than R12 (with 134a
being 30% less efficient than R12).
The inventor of this gas was (is?) present on this group as well. Haven't
seen any comments from him lately.
Any comments?

Bye,

W.J. Markerink


      The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
     the inability to understand

JBlessi

Legal Freon Substitute

by JBlessi » Mon, 17 Jun 1996 04:00:00





>>I don't know exactly what it is, but there isn't a single "ozone-safe"
>>refrigerant on the market today other than HFC-134a for use in motor
>>vehicle air conditioning.  Again, see our fact sheet at
>><URL:http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/snap/macssubs.html>
>>for more information.  Also, note that for all EPA-acceptable
>>refrigerants, you must use unique fittings, you must apply a label, and
>>you must remove the R-12 first.  There is no such thing as a legal
>>"drop-in."  Read our fact sheet to find out why preventing
>>cross-contamination of refrigerants is important.

>>Jeffrey Levy
>>USEPA

>Actually, Jeffery...   I hear this all the time...and please don't think
I'
>m
>picking on you...  But ALL of the refrigerants are ozone-safe

Bullshit.

.   I find it

Destroying the ozone hole? That's what we would LIKE to do.

  What's even more amazing is that, while it's taken 50 years o

No it isn't already healing, it's going to get worse before it gets
better.

Where the hell do you get your misinformation?

   I figure that's where

It has proven it to anybody that will read the results and use some common
sense. I bet you won't believe that 1+1=2 unless it is tattoed to your
forehead.

>I'm in control, I'm The Wagonmaster!
>If you are into conservative politics
>autocross-SOLO II- or Excalibur BBS
>then I'm your man!


--

Additionally I would like to add a few comments of my own. These are my
opinions, if you don't like them tough shit, I don't have to prove
anything to anybody.
 I have children and my children will have children. I have no right
whatsoever to destroy the world they will have to live in. Especially if
for such a stupid reason that I am to cheap to have a leak fixed in my A/C
system. My temporary coolness in my car isn't worth the risk of my
offspring having to live with a very great risk of skin cancer etc. I grew
up around the jersey shore, water that isn't even fit to swim in any more,
because of idiots that think the ocean is too large to ever pollute.
 I wish everyone reading this would keep an open mind for a moment while I
try to explain how small our atmosphere is. Any astronaut can tell you
this in a second but let me try to give an example. Get a globe of the
earth. Our breathable atmosphere stops at about say 15000 feet, that is
less than 3 miles. Now get out a ruler and measure 2 points on the globe
that you know are about 3 miles apart. Put a mark on the ruler at the 3
mile mark. Now stand that ruler up (perpendicular to the globe). See how
small of a shell that 3 miles is around the earth? Pretty eye opening
isn't it? There will be those that want to argue that our atmosphere
actually extends to 120,000 feet or whatever, I don't care, it still is
almost nothing in the above test. Our earth almost magically maintains a
very delicate balance that happens to be in the area that keeps us alive.
Our earth couldn't give a shit if we mere humans are here or not. As soon
as the earth goes into open loop it will all be over very quickly and it
will be too late to do anything about it. I'm not an alarmist by any
means, but anyone who thinks we haven't already changed the earths
atmosphere in an adverse way is just too stupid, too lazy, or just doesn't
care enough to read the facts. Many of you out there won't agree with me
and that is fine, this is my opinion based on scientific facts. Keep up
the good work Jeffrey, it's nice to know that SOMEONE out there is looking
out for us even if we are too ignorant to do it ourselves.

Jordan Blessing L1 Master Tech

Michael Langsto

Legal Freon Substitute

by Michael Langsto » Mon, 17 Jun 1996 04:00:00



>>  No you dont pay for my abuse you IDIOT!

  I'll bet you don't think you pay for others shoplifting or software
pirating either!

    Get a clue!!!

Michael Langsto

Legal Freon Substitute

by Michael Langsto » Mon, 17 Jun 1996 04:00:00

    YES!!

  must have the mind of a 6 year old

Glenn S. Lyfo

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by Glenn S. Lyfo » Mon, 17 Jun 1996 04:00:00


says...
As far as I know, this is non-compatible with the older A/C systems...
I seem to recall something about it eating seals made for the older
refrigerants or something, so you may want to talk to a competent A/C
shop before you jump at this one...
                                                  --Glenn

Glenn S. Lyfo

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by Glenn S. Lyfo » Mon, 17 Jun 1996 04:00:00



>>picking on you...  But ALL of the refrigerants are ozone-safe

>Bullshit.

The chemical reactions are as follows:
  R12 + 03 = R12-O + 02
  R12-O + O3 = R12 + 2 O2
Repeat until ultraviolet light breaks up the R12...

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