rec.autos.simulators

I speak from experience... in simracing strong, autocratic simracing leagues
have prospered while democratic clubs have invariably dwindled into
non-existance. I myself have turned the GPVL F3/FV league from a democratic
participation of 4 to an autocratic (I prefer the term "benevolent
dictator"<sp?>) regular participation of about 15 out of 20. IMO, there has
to be someone in charge (by selection or by nescessity) and he will have to
deal with the odd dissident or two, but, if he does, he can be successfull
in running a league.

You will note, following discussions and experiment, John dropped most of
his IGPS influenced rules, I hope?

Obviously.. I still have some draft game vs sport posts lined up for when I
get around to tackling you on your earlier comments.

Jan.
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"Hors d'oevres...which must be obeyed at all times, without question."
Sig heil !

Eldred
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Actually, it was a place to race and avoid deliberate wreckers.  People who
couldn't run in leagues due to time constraints liked the low pressure to make
all the races.  The problem is, such a casual attitude towards competion
can(and has) caused problems.  John(and a few other drivers) wanted more rules
last season.  I vetoed that, because I wanted to keep the friendier
environment.  I also voted it down at the beginning of THIS season, for the
same reason(s).  But, I'm tired of the constant driving around under yellow.
That's caused me to quit several races in the past year because, quite simply,
it's boring.  So, I'm realizing the need for more rules.  Hopefully, it will
make the whole experience better for those who stick around.  If it doesn't,
we'll just have to try something else.
You only fail when you stop trying...

Eldred
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Bristol(and Darlington) will be a madhouse, we shouldn't delude ourselves
otherwise...

Eldred
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Eldred
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I'm gonna try and setup a RASCAR-BGN / T/A series to run on weeknights tho..
You're welcomed to join if you like.

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David G Fisher

You better read answers to your own post and questions John...

I, Matt and Olav were just 3 out of many that "officially" quit when you
asked a week aho.

Funny how rules apply differently to different people eh?....

Wrong.
Biggest problem is your inablility or will to see/accept other peoples point
of view John..
If you'd be willing to listen to others every now and then - there would'nt
be so much whining at you.

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I honestly thought you'd give RASCAR regulars more credit than that. I have
personally been witness to several incidents being avoided though sheer
skill/awareness/discipline at either of these tracks.

That is an entirely negative attitude and serves no other purpose than to
condone lack of discipline at either track.

It may well be that either race will be a yelllow fest, but this will not be
due to lack of skill by any participant, but rather the inability or
unwillingness to apply it correctly. It's your job, and John's, as admins to
encourage the right kind of behaviour rather than providing people with an
excuse in advance.

Jan.
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Sean,
In all fairness,
I was the one that setup, designed and maintained the website... After each
race I'd download the replay and results of Eldreds server, upload them to
ours, write a little something, and upload/post new addidtions to the roster
and carset.

All John really did was painting people's cars or telling them how to paint
them (according to his wishes - although they actually happend to be close
to mine - this time. :o))

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Hey there Eldred,
Couldn't stay away any longer?  <EvilG>
My point was just that his offering John the door (to me) implies a lot of
responsibility by the person opening said door.  John does a lot of  work
and despite the objections I do have, I would not want to take that on
myself.  See my new thread for clarification on my objections.

Sean

See my post to Eldred, I know you did Ed and I do not mean to take anything
away from your efforts.  I have designed and maintained a few sites myself
and it is no easy task.  I would like to see you stick with the group and
help us all to work through these issues.  I do believe (As do most) that
some stricter rule enforcement is needed.   We are just hashing out the bits
and pieces.

You know,  For an Internet discussion this is all going very well.  Where is
all the name calling?  Ancestry?  You would almost think a group of ***s
were coming to terms with a change in the way they share a hobby here?  :-)

Sean