rec.autos.simulators

Bruce.

:)

Mitch

Mitch <=== "Power to the People"  <g>.

Bruce, no new rules are in place regarding the actual racing.  The
only difference is that if a rule is broken, the driver is actually
penalized by being required to DNQ himself for the next race in which
he participates.  the rules have always been there, but in order to
keep the races clean, we're going to start penalizing people who do
stupid shit or commit unsportsman-like actions as defined in the
rules.

As far as chatting goes, I stand by my claim that if you're typiung
messages manually, then you're most certainly not paying attention to
what's going on in the race.  I don't care if we're under caution or
not.  Auto chat is fine, despite my feeling that "thank-you's" and
"sorry's" are completely unnecessary, and just delay more important
auto-chat messages. Nobody has been penalized for chatting yet, and
as long as it's kept to a reasonable minimum, they won't be.
Hoewever, when I've seen enough chatting, and I tell everyone to shut
up, that should be it.

The "edicts" were simply *suggestions*. A *propoposed* set of rules
was put up. Those proposed rules were never in force during a RASCAR
event.  The penalty point system I tried to work out didn't have the
desired effect, even when applied against our most caution-filled
race, so I scrapped the whole idea.

I don't know where anyone got the idea that a league was a
democracy...

Well, how is "pissing off" any different than deciding you don't want
to join a league to begin with because you don't agree with the
ruleset from the outset.  Like I said, I don't give a rat's ass about
one or two people disagreeing with me. Rather, I am concerned about
the larger majority of people that want a better racing experience.  
If people don't like the fact that they will not be penalized for
breaking the rules, they can exit stage left.

Correct. (Actually, government by two, but Eldred is pretty quiet.)

I trust you read my response, and now realize that your assumptions
were invalid.  

Common sense and rational discussions is the best way to try changing
my mind.  Someone telling me I'm full of shit is the best way to get
me to ignore their views.

Mitch is apparently only concerned with disagreeing with me.

That's pretty bad advice.

Dang number crunchers speak an entirely different language :)

Just to be clear, I like RASCAR and John.  Not at all happy about the turn
of events within RASCAR recently.

Not true.  We may disagree on some things but for the most part I think
RASCAR needs a few BASIC rules.  Its the width and breadth of YOUR rules
that causes me great concern.  The main one now is your rule regarding any
race discussion time limits.  Not thrilled about the previous winner to the
rear one either but I can live with that.  Another area of concern are rules
that are nothing more than personal interpretation vs black and white issues
that can be addressed.

I agree breaking a VALID rule is unwise.  The problem becomes the validity
of YOUR rules in RASCAR.

Mitch

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My six credits worth:

If you don't like the rules, and you can't change them, then leave
RASCAR. Do you have any choice if EP won't do anything? If not, then do
not donate any money to Eldred, or support RASCAR in any way. If you
think you can do it better, why not get your own RASCAR server? You
might see people flock to it, since it would have fewer rules and regs.

For what it's worth, I /do/ agree with you: I won't stand for people
telling me what I can and cannot talk about. That "time frame" BS isn't
necessary (That's like saying it's wrong to talk about the WTC attacks
that happened on 9/11/01, because it's bad for America). Mr. Simmons
doesn't own r.a.s. This is a public forum for everyone interested in
simulators, as you well know.

Crossing things over is a touchy subject. When you talk or race on the
RASCAR server, then EP or JS can make any rule they want....since
they're in charge. Yet RAS is a public venue, so he (JS) can play Hitler
all he wants here because it won't do any good. If he's going to
penalize you for something you say here, I'd tell him to *** himself.
He has no authority to regulate any such conversations here and he damn
well knows it.

In closing, if it's on-topic (anything involving a auto simulator) then
it's acceptable to talk about.

-Will

I already have. I'd comment on your incident (must admit I missed it) with
Oliver too, it's just I agree with John it's pointless to do so.

The state of that thread also prevents me from making the points I initially
intended to make, so I'll wait for a better/fresher opportunity.

Jan.
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So? -Did you think you'd get away with treating it like a game forever?

Jan. <g>
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There is absolutely no reason why RASCAR (or any league) can't be run on
democratic rather than autocratic lines.
The members of all the sporting and social clubs with which I have been
involved during my life have an equal say in not only the operation of the
club but also on who runs it and how.

RASCAR is no more than a small group of people with a common interest - a
club, in other words. A co-operative.
It's not - and should not be projected as - a computer version of the
governing body which owns and operates NASCAR or TOCA or even F1.

Bruce.

Ill do anything to make RASCAR better.  IMO thats why Im putting up a stink
about this.