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WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

Scott B. Huste

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by Scott B. Huste » Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:33:38

I was just being facetious.  <G>

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> I know youre smarter than that Scott :)

> Dang number crunchers speak an entirely different language :)

> Just to be clear, I like RASCAR and John.  Not at all happy about the turn
> of events within RASCAR recently.



> > So what you are saying is you aren't happy with John and RASCAR?

> > =)

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> > Scott B. Husted
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> > "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one
> > behind me."
> > - General George S. Patton

John Simmon

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by John Simmon » Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:35:17



True.

And I've asked Eldred through email a couple of questions.

Not.  I won't truly have contol of RASCAR until Eldred's dead and
rotting corpse is lying at my feet.

I don't see that happening any timne soon.

McWho

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by McWho » Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:49:46






> > <snipped>

> Based on everyone's propensity for arguing about past races till
> we're blue in the face (and I'm just as guilty of this as everyone
> else is), I added a rule that stated that no discussions of past
> races would be tolerated beyond 9pm central of the Tuesday following
> the race (allowing three and a haldf days of virtually un-restrained
> bickering).  If discussions continued beyond that time-frame, each
> person guilty of contributing to the discussion would be penalized
> with a one-race suspension.

> This penalty will be changed to an admin-black flag thrown on the
> grid to force the guilty driver(s) to do a stop-n-go at the start of
> the race if the patch does indeed allow a driver to serve a black
> flag (the unpatched sim always DQ's the driver for such a black flag
> despite the fact that the driver did indeed serve the penalty).

Now this I can live with.

Sean

William Bradsha

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by William Bradsha » Sun, 24 Aug 2003 08:54:18


> Eldred controls the server that he volunteered to let us use for our ras
> races. Eldred needs to step in now and tell us once and for all if John is
> now controlling RASCAR because Eldred let's him.  John certainly *thinks* he
> has taken control of RASCAR.

> Is this true or not?

> David G Fisher

Personally, I think it would be good thing for Eldred to step in from
time to time to get opinions from everyone involved in RASCAR races.

 From the looks of it, Eldred merely hosts the game and Mr. Simmons runs
the show. It's likely that Eldred gave Simmons the clearance to do so
(just a guess, of course).

To me? Yes, it's true that it seems as though Simmons does control the
rules and most everything else as a RASCAR administrator (best term I
can think of).

There is, IMO, nothing wrong with getting direct clarification from Eldred.

-Will

Bruce Kennewel

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by Bruce Kennewel » Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:00:40

John, the fact that you have not penalised anyone IS a moot point,
irrespective of whether or not you could have warned prior to doing it. The
centre of the discussion was the creation  and existence of penalties, not
whether any had been applied.

You want to keep playing around with semantics? :)

Bruce.


McWho

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by McWho » Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:02:38

Damn John, you do like to egg people on don't you?

ROTFLMAO
Sean



> > Eldred controls the server that he volunteered to let us use for our ras
> > races.

> True.

> > Eldred needs to step in now and tell us once and for all if John is
> > now controlling RASCAR because Eldred let's him.

> And I've asked Eldred through email a couple of questions.

> > John certainly *thinks* he has taken control of RASCAR.

> > Is this true or not?

> Not.  I won't truly have contol of RASCAR until Eldred's dead and
> rotting corpse is lying at my feet.

> I don't see that happening any timne soon.

McWho

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by McWho » Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:05:06







> > Righ now, the only thing that sucks about RASCAR right now is that I
> > have to put up with whiners.

> You don't have to put up with anything.

> Quit.

> RASCAR will be fine without you.

Are you volunteering to run things Dave?  Do you have a server we can
practice on?
Will you enforce a rule set?
Will you take care of the website?

Sean

Bruce Kennewel

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by Bruce Kennewel » Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:06:40

With respect, Jan: from my experience that's Crap, with a capital 'C'.

As I mentioned, every association or club with which I've been involved
since a callow youth has been operated on democratic lines.
They have all had their share of debates and differences of opinion but none
have ever operated under a system where the members have not been able to
sanction or veto any proposals, no matter how contentious or bland.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this point.

Bruce.


Race15

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by Race15 » Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:08:49

Aside from just not being able to compete as often as I wanted, I thought that
the RASCAR concept had become too political.  I have raced online for many
years and, though not the fastest, feel I am at worst "capable."  I was looking
for a weekly race that encouraged new drivers to be the best they could be,
while allowing the faster drivers to enjoy close competition.

If there is one rule that I would have liked to  have seen, it would have been
"no yellows."    The faster drivers dont have to worry about the guys causing
trouble because they are upfront and not likely to catch up to the trouble on
the bigger tracks.   Very quickly the field will be strung out, and drivers who
are of a like talent will run together, making for a fun race for all talent
levels.

Be that as it may be, I quit, quietly, because we were told, "If you don't like
it, Quit."  So I did.

Michael Loos (Shamrock 28)

Jan Verschuere

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by Jan Verschuere » Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:11:00

Ok, here's the deal... when I made the comment about the thread I was going
on a cursory read of same when it started. I came away with the impression a
sort of bump and run had taken place between you and Oliver and that you
thought he'd done it on purpose (I was pressed for time, otherwise I would
have read more carefully and responded or not on the spot). Which is
ridiculous, of course, as the effect of latency make it absolutely
impossible to do that sort of thing with anywhere near predictable results
online (especially at Michigan or any high speed track). In a way I wish it
were, though. It would be outlawed, of course, but I would like the option
of booting an annoyance (i.e. someone I wasn't racing for position or on a
wildly different strategy) out of my way and taking my chances with the race
stewards telling me off for it.

Anyway, having looked at the incident that's evidently not the case. Even
so, you seem to make it appear like there's a *** against you doing
well in these races when, in fact, most of the incidents are as much to do
with you as anyone else. Reading the thread I summized you weren't very
receptive to that point of view, so I refrained from making any comment in
that direction.

Honestly, suppose I did and my comments were in line with Oliver, Craig,
John and Sean, would that change your mind on the incident? -Would you
accept someone could interpret your actions as being a mistake on your part?
You sure as hell didn't in the thread about the Pocono restart incident.

As for my take on John's tactics: he's gotten pretty wound up because you
protested his actions (indeed, if anyone is going to object to a lapped car
inserting itself in the battle for 4th it's #42's job ---> you're the one
who should have taken advantage of John doing so), so I didn't think he'd be
receptive to my "you can't keep on taking and expect no-one to
object"-opinion. John will gladly accept a let bye when someone considers it
not worth their while taking a chance with a latency incident by racing him
hard in the earlier stages of the game, but appears unwilling to extend a
similar level of courtesy when the chips are down and he's not really "in
the fight". Seeing as most seasoned online racers are not willing to take
chances with the way the game handles the differing delays in information
exchange there's no real way of letting him know their displeasure on track
(cutting him up, bumping him or brake checking him), so he can have his cake
and eat it. Which is patently unfair and unsportmanlike, IMO. But like I
said, it didn't appear to be a good time, so I didn't post that.

BTW: when I said "I already have", I meant this: "It's officially too late
to post the one for Michigan", which I took to mean: "don't post it or
else". I thought what I had already compiled with regard to the Michigan and
Bristol race merited posting to a degree where a possible penalty to myself
wouldn't matter, so I went ahead and did it anyway.

Actually, I didn't blatantly ignore John's statement, I just wriggled around
it. It's something us Belgians happen to be *very* good at.

Jan.
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Bruce Kennewel

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by Bruce Kennewel » Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:11:33

It *is* if the person (and their policies, of course) whom you are
discussing does not agree with your views of said person (and policies). :)

Bruce.

elrik

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by elrik » Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:33:19




> > Eldred controls the server that he volunteered to let us use for our ras
> > races.

> True.

> > Eldred needs to step in now and tell us once and for all if John is
> > now controlling RASCAR because Eldred let's him.

> And I've asked Eldred through email a couple of questions.

> > John certainly *thinks* he has taken control of RASCAR.

> > Is this true or not?

> Not.  I won't truly have contol of RASCAR until Eldred's dead and
> rotting corpse is lying at my feet.

> I don't see that happening any timne soon.

LOL  .  .  .  <snorts Pepsi trough nasal passages>   .  .  .  LOL   ;o)

To the truly sensitive go the spoils.

Elrikk

Jan Verschuere

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by Jan Verschuere » Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:35:06

Whether RASCAR continues because of Mr. Simmons or despite Mr. Simmons, Mr.
Bradshaw, is for history to decide.

So enjoy the RAS egotrip, Mr. Bradshaw, while it lasts.

Jan.
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McWho

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by McWho » Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:38:09



> > Eldred controls the server that he volunteered to let us use for our ras
> > races. Eldred needs to step in now and tell us once and for all if John
is
> > now controlling RASCAR because Eldred let's him.  John certainly
*thinks* he
> > has taken control of RASCAR.

> > Is this true or not?

> > David G Fisher

> Personally, I think it would be good thing for Eldred to step in from
> time to time to get opinions from everyone involved in RASCAR races.

I can say without a doubt that eldred reads these ng posts.  If he had
something to say he would.

Sean

Jan Verschuere

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by Jan Verschuere » Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:42:29

Indeed, Eldred's just delegated the "bad cop" role to John. <g>

Jan.
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