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WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

Jan Verschuere

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by Jan Verschuere » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:52:27

No I'm not. People who claim a particular track is more difficult and
dangerous than others are already lining up their excuses for messing up,
rather than working out how they can lap the track safely and consistently.

Huh?

Jan.
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Eldre

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by Eldre » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:56:22



>And those leagues are losing members by the truckload.

>Community is what simracing is all about.   Simracers LOVE to go back and
>talk about the past (even if it was only 2 weeks ago).   It does not cause
>any harm...





>> I *have* seen leagues that forbade public discussion of incidents before.
>> Don't think that John was the first to think that up...

No, the leagues I was referring to are still running, AFAIK.  Maybe I just
stated it wrong.  No public *arguments* about incidents.  Discussion is good,
healthy, and even fun.  Public screaming matches are not.  I think *that* is
what John is trying to avoid.

Eldred
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Eldre

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by Eldre » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:56:22



>They know my position of manual chatting, it's never changed, and
>never even waivered. It also happens to be a position shared by MANY
>other people in the online racing community.

...including the other league admin...<g>

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:56:22



>You seem to be able to skip the important part of the thread consistently.
>Again, who the F*&* are you to make these decisions?  KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK, YOU
>VOLUNTEERED for anything youre doing.

Volunteered or elected, does it matter?  John stepped down last season, and I
don't remember anyone else stepping up to the plate to take his spot.  Ed
helped out, but I don't remember if he was already helping when John quit.
Since I didn't have the experience to run a league at the time, I asked him to
reconsider. I also didn't have the time.   I could probably do it myself, but
it wouldn't be as thorough as it is now.

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Mitch_

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by Mitch_ » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:56:49

Thats just a lot of psychological babble :)  I can run say Darlington just
fine alone.  Add cars on three sides of T3-4 and tell me Darlington isnt
more difficult than say Michigan with cars on three sides?.


Larr

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by Larr » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:05:59

Frankly, I'll talk about what I want, to who I want, when I want.  No rule
is going to alter my expression of free speech, period.  I didn't speed 11
years in the military protecting people's basic rights to give up my own for
stupid reasons.

And that's all I have to say about that.

Larry


Mitch_

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by Mitch_ » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:03:32

Funny Larry how its all the ex-military that feel this way so vehemently
about this so-called rule.  If I wasnt so passionate about RASCAR I'd of
just bailed long ago.


> Frankly, I'll talk about what I want, to who I want, when I want.  No rule
> is going to alter my expression of free speech, period.  I didn't speed 11
> years in the military protecting people's basic rights to give up my own
for
> stupid reasons.

> And that's all I have to say about that.

> Larry



John Simmon

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by John Simmon » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:08:58


Now hold on a minute. I think I'm being fairly rational and even
reasonable in my desire to keep the noise level to a minimum. I
recommend that you read EVERYTHING I've said on the subject before
you go assuming I'm restricting what you say and to whom.

Final word - if we didn't have the constant mindless bickering about
long-past racing incidents by just a few individuals, I wouldn't have
even come up with the time-limit idea.  So put that on your cracker
and chew on it for a while.

John Simmon

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by John Simmon » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:12:21

Wow, now that's representative of "all the ex-military".  I served in
the Gulf of Tonkin on the USS Turner Joy. I was getting shot at
before many of you were even born.  I guess your "all the ex-
military" assumption just got pretty much blown out of the water...



> Funny Larry how its all the ex-military that feel this way so vehemently
> about this so-called rule.  If I wasnt so passionate about RASCAR I'd of
> just bailed long ago.



> > Frankly, I'll talk about what I want, to who I want, when I want.  No rule
> > is going to alter my expression of free speech, period.  I didn't speed 11
> > years in the military protecting people's basic rights to give up my own
> for
> > stupid reasons.

> > And that's all I have to say about that.

> > Larry



ae

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by ae » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:13:55


>For the record, I included r.a.s in the time-limit out of an honest
>desire to keep this kind of long-winded bullshit from happening in
>r.a.s. Just because we started the group here, doesn't mean we can
>*** all non-RASCAR people with endless bickering, finger-pointing
>and just plain childish bullshit concerning a race that happen
>anywhere from one week to one year in the past.

I am not in RASCAR and am enjoying the bickering, finger pointing and
childish bullshit. People can always ignore the thread if it doesn't
interest them.

Andrew.

Mitch_

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by Mitch_ » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:19:23

You know as well as I do the Navy isnt the military :))  Can anyone say "Gay
cruise ships"  hehe just kidding dont get them panties in a wad :)


John Simmon

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by John Simmon » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:18:41


says...


> >For the record, I included r.a.s in the time-limit out of an honest
> >desire to keep this kind of long-winded bullshit from happening in
> >r.a.s. Just because we started the group here, doesn't mean we can
> >*** all non-RASCAR people with endless bickering, finger-pointing
> >and just plain childish bullshit concerning a race that happen
> >anywhere from one week to one year in the past.

> I am not in RASCAR and am enjoying the bickering, finger pointing and
> childish bullshit. People can always ignore the thread if it doesn't
> interest them.

> Andrew.

I know. There's a good number of people that know quality
entertainment when they see it. At the same time, there are others
who appreciate a good show as long as it doesn't turn into one of
those annoying 12-part mini-series.

I am trying to strike a happy balance.

Mitch_

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by Mitch_ » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:22:58

Geez, when I brought up last years bristol race it was from a challenge YOU
made for anyone to find anything youve done un-sportsmanlike.  Passing me
under yellow when I was obviously slowing to take the yellow flag was plain
ole vanilla un-sportsmanlike so I accepted your challenge.  End of story.
Thats no reason for some insane rule cause John dont like it.

constant mindless bickering about

Jan Verschuere

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by Jan Verschuere » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:43:15

It's about attitude and it's about confidence in one's ability, so yes, it
has to with the psychology of racing. Is it "babble"? -No.

That's hardly realistic practise for a race there.

Firstly, there's only two sides on a car. They're labeled "left side" and
"right side", relative to the orientation of the driver. The other
extremities are called "front" and "rear" occording to the same definition.

But I assume you mean an arrangement like this:

          3
      1   2   4

#1 is not really in this situation unless he's moving significantly slower
than the others. I don't know if #3 can run high enough to avoid latency
contact with #2 and still stay with him. If #2 and #3 run to the end of the
turn together, #1 will pull out a little gap being able to use all the
track. It then depends on whether #2 or #3 gets off the corner better. If #2
gets to setup T1 first then #3 has to back off and hope #4 lets him slot in
(a similar situation arises if #3 can't stay with #2 through T3-T4). If #3
gets there 1st #2 (and #4) will have to back off a little to let #3 in
front.

If they don't "arrange themselves" they can continue side by side, but they
will be losing shedloads of time with reference to #1. The real loser here
is #4 who has to give in and lose time anyway as he cannot afford having the
other two running side by side ahead and losing him time. As long as all
participants hold their lines and anticipate eachother's moves correctly any
of these scenario's should go off without a hitch.

The only real thing that happens at Darlington as opposed to Michigan is
that if you misjudge keeping your distance with reference to another driver,
you can't drift out of line to correct that and still make it around the
turn relatively quickly. You have to leave yourself that extra margin for
error when following somebody "new" and you really have to slow down if
you're not running "the preferred line" through the turn. Does this require
more discipline? -A little. Is it slower and could you lose a lot of spots
if you get hung out? -Yes. Is it technically and any more difficult than on
any other track? -No, the limit is the limit.

Jan.
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John Simmon

WTF is going on here? RASCAR is making a giant sucking sound

by John Simmon » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:45:34



I just checked the sim, and I don't see any such labels. Do I need to
install the patch to see them?

:)


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