I hate it when an American tackles me on use of language.
Jan. ;-))
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I hate it when an American tackles me on use of language.
Jan. ;-))
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Yeah..Ok...
The only people shooting at you were your fellow village people.
(damn, I wish he hadn't killfiled me..this could have been top laughs)
They do show WC races over here, you know, and I've seen most of them since
1994.
I am also not being over analytical. I'm being as analytical as I need to be
so as to not be a rolling chicane in the races.
But, fine, don't think about it... pretend the race is not going to happen
until you actually have to go out and do it. Seeya at the back in the next
one, speedy.
Jan.
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David G Fisher
There are much better ways to add a rule than to "Dictate" it as John seems
to do. Heck, I have seen him dictate 2-3 times already in this thread.
Surely John does not think that he is the only one that counts, surely he
does not think that his opinions and thoughts on what should be a rule are
the only ones that could possibly be correct. If he does not think that..
then maybe treating the other members of the league with a little respect
and taking their thoughts into consideration might be a good start.
Then again, maybe he does think he is the only one that could be correct.
If so, you see where the problem lies
> >And those leagues are losing members by the truckload.
> >Community is what simracing is all about. Simracers LOVE to go back and
> >talk about the past (even if it was only 2 weeks ago). It does not
cause
> >any harm...
> >> I *have* seen leagues that forbade public discussion of incidents
before.
> >> Don't think that John was the first to think that up...
> No, the leagues I was referring to are still running, AFAIK. Maybe I just
> stated it wrong. No public *arguments* about incidents. Discussion is
good,
> healthy, and even fun. Public screaming matches are not. I think *that*
is
> what John is trying to avoid.
> Eldred
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> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
That is what is causing so many to get upset.. you do not come up with
ideas. You come up with hard "I will penalize you immediately" rules
Ideas would be another thing.. but that would require you to also allow
others to have input and some say in the direction the league takes.
> > > I never said that they couldn't discuss the races. I just put a time
> > > limit on it, and a reasonable time limit at that.
> > The distinction is lost on most people who live in places where free
speech
> > is valued and has been fought for with ancestors' ***. I think that
rules
> > that relate to the topic at hand are more useful than offensive general
> > behaviour-modification social engineering edicts. Who gives a flying
fu**
> > whether people discuss a race for 10 years after-the-fact if there was
> > something in that race worth discussing (or arguing about). It is none
of
> > your business or mine. What is your business is whether people are
> > disrupting a race yapping about some incident from the preveious
week(s).
> > That disrupts the current race (which by definition is supposed to be
the
> > priority for everyone), is rude, and therefore there should be rules
> > preventing the *disruption* not the discussion. And of course,
disruption
> > could come from discussing all manner of things, not just last week's
race,
> > so a rule about avoiding disruptive behaviour would actually be useful
and
> > would not be offensive. If you already have a rule about disruptions,
then
> > the rule about discussions is redundant and, since it is offensive, it
would
> > be better to drop it.
> > I honestly think that if the rules are clearly aimed at maintaining the
> > appropriate racing environment when the race is occurring--and that the
> > average person can easily understand how each rule applies--there won't
be
> > any conflict. How many people are complaining about the no driving on
the
> > apron or no jumping the start rules? I am going to suppose none,
because
> > there isn't any unreasonableness to be found in those rules or in
anyone's
> > peculiar interpretation of the rule.
> > Assuming any RASCAR people are still reading this thread at this point,
I
> > would appreciate some feedback as to whether ensuring that the rules are
> > related to the racing environment-only would help clear up this mess.
> > Thanks,
> > Marc
> It's a matter of style of management. If someone wants to continue
> the bullshit in a more private forum (email, PM, whatever), I
> couldn't really give a rat's ass. HOWEVER, since he forum is a RASCAR
> forum, and is considered property of the league (for lack of a better
> term), the discusion of the last race stops COMPLETELY in the RASCAR
> forum and by Tuesday at 9pm central. Period. End of topic.
> For the record, I included r.a.s in the time-limit out of an honest
> desire to keep this kind of long-winded bullshit from happening in
> r.a.s. Just because we started the group here, doesn't mean we can
> *** all non-RASCAR people with endless bickering, finger-pointing
> and just plain childish bullshit concerning a race that happen
> anywhere from one week to one year in the past.
> I've tried to keep the RASCAR stuff focused on the forum instead of
> here, but as you see it doesn't always work out.
David G Fisher
> >You seem to be able to skip the important part of the thread
consistently.
> >Again, who the F*&* are you to make these decisions? KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK,
YOU
> >VOLUNTEERED for anything youre doing.
> Volunteered or elected, does it matter? John stepped down last season,
and I
> don't remember anyone else stepping up to the plate to take his spot. Ed
> helped out, but I don't remember if he was already helping when John quit.
> Since I didn't have the experience to run a league at the time, I asked
him to
> reconsider. I also didn't have the time. I could probably do it myself,
but
> it wouldn't be as thorough as it is now.
> Eldred
David G Fisher
> > Well I guess Im the only one that has the balls to stand up to John (and
> > Eldred though hes a silent partner). This is getting ridiculous.
> Penalties
> > for nearly anything and everything. <snip>
> Don't you guy's have a forum/web page or something ? Just put up a vote
for
> any rules that you want implemented ..How hard can this be ?
David G Fisher
David G Fisher
the
> constant mindless bickering about
> > long-past racing incidents by just a few individuals, I wouldn't have
> > even come up with the time-limit idea. So put that on your cracker
> > and chew on it for a while.
> > I speak from experience... in simracing strong, autocratic simracing
> > leagues have prospered while democratic clubs have invariably
> > dwindled into non-existance. I myself have turned the GPVL F3/FV
> > league from a democratic participation of 4 to an autocratic (I
> > prefer the term "benevolent dictator"<sp?>) regular participation of
> > about 15 out of 20. IMO, there has to be someone in charge (by
> > selection or by nescessity) and he will have to deal with the odd
> > dissident or two, but, if he does, he can be successfull in running a
> > league.
> > Jan.
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> The UKGPL league is a (mostly) democratic league and is one of, if not the
> largest, national sim racing league. It has been running since 1999.
> There are 276 members currently registered on the yahoo group, hardly
> "dwindled into non-existance" ;)
> --
> Ian P
> <email invalid due to spammers>
David G Fisher
Actually I like being called speedy but not in that context :)
going to happen
John and Eldred, and Ed originally, are the reason RASCAR is still around, and
they don't deserve to be compared to Rodney, or Sascar.
Sascar was created in a very different environment. There weren't as many
people racing then, everyone knew everyone. And to my recollection they never
had an open door invite. There are no new leagues in the past few years that
have equaled or bettered what Sascar has. RASCAR is just going thru the same
transition all new league have to deal with.
Earlier in the year Alec Flory joined Flashpoint FASCAR for a brief moment and
almost no one new who he was. My point is comparing Sascar and RASCAR is like
comparing TEN and OLR.
:)
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Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com
You hit a nerve... I've had to work *very* hard to get where I am in racing
(which, let's face it, is not very far). I don't like it when that
commitment is ridiculed.
Hehehe... I do pick my words carefully most of the time, ya know. ;-)
Jan.
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