Perfectly said. What the people who drove Dean off this newsgroup don't
realize is that their comments weren't just incredibly rude at times but
were also sarcastic and monotonous in their complaints. Does anyone ever
remember Dean being rude in a posting? I don't. I don't know how much
influence some people think this newsgroup has, but it's not enough for
someone to have to take INSULTING comments. Trust me on that one.
Dave
I disagree. If she'd resolved the problems with Dean privately, she
might have actually provided solutions (if any were found) to those
people who experienced her problems. She still could have mentioned
the problems and knocked points off of the game because of them, but
she definitely could have helped anyone who had a similar problem
understand and fix it. Simply airing a complaint doesn't do anything
for those who might have a similar problem. Knowing I'm not alone
doesn't make the game any better.
Randy
Lets see, abusive..hmm...
"your whining, sniveling response"
"all your other rants about any negative response"
(abusive and a downright falsehood).
"Microsoft has seen fit to present someone as immature as you've"
More abuse.
"Poor baby!"
and it goes on.
But of course, for having the nerve to point this out, I bet you'll
turn the hose on me.
Randy
Thank you for yet another exhibit of why I wrote my plea for civility.
Randy
> Dean,
> I don't blame you for leaving for a second. Check my other posting
> just written a few minutes ago. I personally have never seen a
> representative of a company or business put so much effort and time into
> helping it's customers and that's not an exaggeration. You DEFINITELY have
> helped many, many, people with CPR and I hope you feel good about that. I
> wish I had people like you working for me. Keep up the good work on CPR.
Think about it: the CART-PR team HAD to be in this NG alot, because
there
ARE a lot of problems with their product. It was the same with Flying
Corps
which now has about 14 patches. Great support! Or you could say: really
needed support... ;^)
l8er
ronny
--
|\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather,
ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep.
|,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car,
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!
I don't think you'll find too many people that disagree with you here.
For kicks last night I did a Sunday Race at Milwaukee. It was total
mayhem. These guys couldn't get around the track at ALL. Spinouts,
collisions, etc..tons of cars bunched up. Ouch.
Yes, this game was DEFINITELY released well before it was done.
Thank God for the upcoming patch. I'm betting yellows are going to be
the next big project for them. Hopefully 6 months from now we'll all
be playing the best sim there is. But its going to take some more
agony from MS and TRI to get there.
Btw, I want to add that I think Alison's remarks about the steering
were dead on and I applaud the effort she put into critiquing the
center drift problem. I hope the null-zone fix in the patch fixes
that. Straight-wandering is one of the worst problems in this game.
Randy
> I'd like to add something here. Did Alison actually send an e-mail to Dean or
> anyone at Microsoft to get her problems addressed BEFORE she wrote her review
> publicly? Not that she is required to, but lets face it -- when you have a
> problem with a game, contacting the vendor should be job #1. Perhaps if there
l8er
ronny
--
|\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather,
ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep.
|,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car,
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!
Yes, it seems companies are more interested in paying people to
support shithouse software in NG's/message boards than paying someone to
advise them on how to get it right first time round the merry-go-round!
Cars that crawl on the ovals??????, etc, etc.......... The sim has
potential but is in alpha. Shame, shame, shame! Those friggin' suits!
Here's an idea for a blockbuster - KILL THE SUITS! My name goes
straight to the top of the pre-order list. On second thoughts I may
prefer this to be more realistic than any computer will ever be able to
deliver. (note there is no smiley after this)
> > "The worm has turned at Microsoft. They don't respond to cries for help and
> > criticism, anymore."
> > OK guys - I think that's about it for me on ras. My patience has run out.
> Thanks a WHOLE lot alison.. freaking dork.. Stupid girl posts like twice
> a year and then comes in here and makes Dean lose his patience and
> leave.. THANKS A LOT
> --
> Dave Otterness
> "The worm has turned at Microsoft. They don't respond to cries for help and
> criticism, anymore."
> OK guys - I think that's about it for me on ras. My patience has run out.
> "by abandoning what is perhaps the greatest concentration
> of sim racing knowledge anywhere."
> Yeah, right. I'll tell you what. I have a mortgage/business/perso***loan
> co. opening in another month or so. Why don't all the sim experts with
> their great concentration of knowledge contact me and I'll set you up with
> a business loan and you can create the perfect sim. I have no doubt it will
> be the most incredible sim ever created. Maybe you can create some AI for
> yourselves as well.
> I have to be amused by this statement. I do not own CPR, and I have no
> plans for buying it, but I have read many/most of the posts concerning
> CPR (the main reason why I never bought it). One of the few good points
> on CPR was that Microsoft engineers took the time to contact with
> consumers directly through r.a.s. This seems to have backfired on them,
> as Dean immaturely cries foul and takes his ball and goes home. Dean,
> are you crazy? This can only do harm to Microsoft and sales of CPR.
> Geez, if I were your boss, I'd fire you ! heh. What happened to the old
> adage "the customer is always right" ? Of course there will always be
> obnoxious annoying customers, but you should be mature enough to
> recognize this and ignore them. I think you were behind the 8-ball to
> begin with since there is a lot of anti-Microsoft sentiment out there.
> If you really did get fed up with all the whiners on this newsgroup,
> then you should have just stopped reading, but to come up with statement
> can do no good at all to yourself or your product.
> For me personally, I don't care whether you stay or leave, but I have
> noticed that often times you simply do not react to negative comments
> and purely try to paint a bright picture. I think people would trust you
> better if sometimes you could come out and say "yeah, you're right, CPR
> can't do this, perhaps we made a mistake in releasing it too soon" etc,
> instead of reacting to negative comments as personal attacks. I think
> 99% of the people with negative points about CPR have a valid reason for
> them , and instead of saying "no, you are wrong, you set up your system
> incorrectly", etc., you would be much more effective if you at least
> recognized the customer's viewpoint/opinion, no matter what it is.
> By leaving the newsgroup in this manner, you are conceding that the
> whiners/complainers are right, and you and Microsoft can't hack it
> (which may be true anyways, who knows)
> -Dan P
> I'd like to add something here. Did Alison actually send an e-mail to Dean or
> anyone at Microsoft to get her problems addressed BEFORE she wrote her review
> publicly? Not that she is required to, but lets face it -- when you have a
> problem with a game, contacting the vendor should be job #1.
Sorry, but this is not just a system issue. Job#1 is return it and
let everyone else be the UNPAID BETA TESTERS ie SLAVES!
WE, are BORG. YOU, will be ASSIMILATED (if your worthy). RESISTANCE, is
FUTILE.
>>>No comment ... !
>>What are you implying? AFAI remember that post was from a
>>guy who mentioned it here on r.a.s. and everyone read it,
>>myself (and I guess you) included. So because Alison quoted
>>the (good) information in her review that makes her a pirate?
>>Because she quoted it her opinion somehow becomes less
>>relevant?
>I believe the man said "No comment"...
If you go to the trouble of writing "no comment", that in itself
carries a message.
Cheers!
John
