rec.autos.simulators

by **Dave Smi** » Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Didn't we go thru this with some guy from Papyrus a while back who got
tired of the BS and bailed? Seems to me the sun still came up the next
morning. Who the hell cares if Dean is here or not. The damage is done
already, got the game and it has been more than 10 days, so I can't return
it to EB for an exchange!

Lesson learned......patience Grasshopper.......wait for a while after a game
is released. Download demo?(i'm a real jerk for buying this without trying
the demo)

Dave

by **Kyle Steve** » Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:00:00

On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:07:10 -0600, David Otterness

>> Have you *read* any of Alison's posts? She did *NOT* say that statement
>> that you & Dean seem to have attributed to her.

>Wow never thought I'd get this much reaction.. You and about 10 other
>people brought it to my attention that she didn't say it, but rrevved..
>Sorry Alison.. It's just the way Dean quoted it and the # of references
>it had made it look like it was from Alison's original post.

Don't flame Alison. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and review
of CPR, even if it's biased, incomplete, or right on the money.

You've got to be able to sift through the b.s. in this newsgroup and
make intelligent decisions about what you write and want to read here.

If someone gets fed up responding or reading to negative posts and
criticisms, justified or not, that's their choice if they want to
leave or stay.. I'm just sorry that it has to happen again and again,
and we lose the ability to interface with the people closest to the
developers.

Too many people seem to know what it's like to be a software
developer, and yet I don't have any way of knowing whether they're

year olds are as experienced as they claim in releasing a major
software package. ; )

Kyle

by **Greg Cisk** » Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:00:00

I agree. I read her review. The first thing I thought was how odd it was
that
she is reviewing an old game. And making it sound like some thrilling new
review. I still would like a little more information from her on how CPR
broke her system. Just simply putting it in the words she used in not
sufficient IMHO. I thought Dean responded properly (but I could tell
he was pissed). Then RREVVED did the worm turning thing which
set Dean off. Too bad. I thought Dean or someone should explain
the lack of tire temperatures to get a proper setup. That was the one point
she had which I thought deserved a proper response. Instead I think
Dean had no response and bailed, using RREVVED's comments
as the trigger. Oh well.

--
Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

>I applaud MS for listening to the critics of the game and quickly
>working on a patch that hopes to address many of the problems that have
>been found. However, I still think the real point here is that the game
>should never have been released in it current state.

>--
>Eric T. Busch

>http://ebusch.akorn.net

>>you gotta be kidding.......Is that all you saw? the blame being passed
>>on?..... so why are they coming out with this patch again? who is
>being
>>blamed for that? hmmmmmmm I havent heard them blaming anyone for the AI
>>problems..I havent heard them blaming anyone for the rain tire bug. so
>>please tell me who is being blamed for that? maybe just maybe they
>admit the
>>game isnt up to par and they are fixing it by listening and responding
>to
>>the major problems on this NG and not just a issolated incident that is
>only
>>happened to one person yeah there are alot of posts on this NG that
>are not
>>positive about this game but can you find one other post that says
>their OS
>>was corrupted. I am not saying this didnt happen but how much time do
>you
>>think they need to spend addressing ONE (1) issolated problem Its to
>bad
>>that people like you can run someone off who has been here addressing
>the
>>problems of this game can you name another game manufaturerthat does
>this
>>the way MS did GOOD JOB!!!!!!!!!!!

by **Greg Cisk** » Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:00:00

>If the sim isn't calculating tire temps, then it's clearly much harder
>to offer them via UI... :-)

It is also probably less of a sim than we origionally thought it would be.

by **Scott B. Huste** » Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Alison,

I highly doubt it was your comments alone that sent Dean packing. I
think it had more to do with the same ol people attacking every
statement or attempt at help he provided. I would get sick of that
myself. He was in a cant win position with these people. I doubt he
single handily decided when CPR would be released. Obviously.. more beta
testing should have been done.

You would understand the above if you werent such a stupid girl ;)

(Just for clarification so i dont get flamed to hell for that comment...
it was an attempt at humor!!!).

Scott B. Husted
http://www.racesimcentral.net/~sbhusted

> >> Thanks a WHOLE lot alison.. freaking dork.. Stupid girl posts like twice
> >> a year and then comes in here and makes Dean lose his patience and
> >> leave.. THANKS A LOT

> >> --
> >> Dave Otterness

> > Oh yeah, this is all Alison's fault. Gee I hate you Alison :) It's
> >got nothing to do with pathetic AI. Gee I hate girls.
> >Hehehehehehehehehe!

> <grin> Thanks, Byron!

> Actualy, I must admit that I rather like Dave Otterness' comment. Not
> that I'm a ***; it's just that it's so absurd, it's funny.

> I *am* sorry that Dean left the group. I seriously doubt if it was my
> review alone that made him do it; I don't think I'm that powerful! But,
> really, I think the entity which caused Dean's headaches was Microsoft
> itself, which put themselves in the position they are in by releasing a
> product that really wasn't ready. Was it rushed out to make the
> Christmas season? Seems likely, but I suppose we'll never know.

> I do very much appreciate Dean's participation in this group. I
> understand it was on his own time, and that he has an infant child, and
> obviously it all got to be a bit much. I wish him well.

> Eagle Woman

> Remove the spam blocker NOSPAM to email me.
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/~alison

by **Scott B. Huste** » Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Thats about the closest youve come to a logical and intelligent comment
so far!! Congratulations!!

Scott B. Husted
http://home.ptd.net/~sbhusted

> uh huh...

> --
> * rrevved at mindspring dot com - {unit.26 s.p.u.t.u.m.}
> * http://www.sputum.com - http://www.subgenius.com

by **Jim Sokolof** » Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:00:00

IME, Win95 is likely to decide to not restart for any number of
reasons, most of which I've been unable to determine. Sometimes it's
installing new software, or not shutting down cleanly, a failing disk,
and sometimes it's apprently just because I was eating a chocolate
pudding and watching Seinfeld in the same room as the computer.

Is it possible the CPR contributes to OS corruption? Sure. Is it
likely that it's an endemic problem? No. Is it likely that if Alison
re-installed on that same machine that she'd see it again? I don't
think so.

What's an acceptable failure rate for OS corruption after a CPR
install? One in 1000? How does your answer change if 1 in 1000 times
Win95 fails to reboot without a CPR CD in the same zip code?

---Jim

by **Neil Yeatma** » Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:00:00

I don't know if Dean was all *that* badly treated...maybe I've become
too used to the flamage here, but I seem to recall seeing about the same
number of "Boy am I glad Dean is here" posts as "CPR Sux!" posts.

I thought Dean did rather well...I wouldn't want to be in his position,
i.e. having to contantly and repetitively defend his product. Granted,
he and his team released their game prematurely, but Dean seems to have
listened to what we had to say and has incorporated most of our wants
into the upcoming patch. I hope the patch works as promised.

I have a 3Dfx card, and I'm a little disappointed that there won't be a
Glide patch, but I was *extremely* surprised that MS/TRI even mentioned
a Glide patch in the first place...I can't possiblly imagine MS
management allowing TRI to release a non D3D patch to one of their
"premier" games.

--

Neil Yeatman
Ajax, Ontario, CANADA

by **Eric T. Busc** » Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Hmm... that's about the timeframe for GPL. =)

--
Eric T. Busch

http://ebusch.akorn.net

by **David Otternes** » Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:00:00

> >> Thanks a WHOLE lot alison.. freaking dork.. Stupid girl posts like twice
> >> a year and then comes in here and makes Dean lose his patience and
> >> leave.. THANKS A LOT

> >> --
> >> Dave Otterness

> > Oh yeah, this is all Alison's fault. Gee I hate you Alison :) It's
> >got nothing to do with pathetic AI. Gee I hate girls.
> >Hehehehehehehehehe!

> <grin> Thanks, Byron!

> Actualy, I must admit that I rather like Dave Otterness' comment. Not
> that I'm a ***; it's just that it's so absurd, it's funny.

Wow, the one person that I DIDN'T expect to like my post is actually the
only person that DID like it....... Sorry Alison

--
Dave Otterness

by **George Sandma** » Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Allison I think I rem you saying you used the latest Sierra drivers in your
test. Well if you want to compair the new ones with ver 2.1 drivers I think
you will find that your Framerate and the distance you can see ahead both
will be quite low with the new Drivers. The 2.1 ver drivers have given me
the best results so far!

Later

George Sandman
Stealth Racing #1
1997 CICC PPG Champion
1996 CICC PPG Champion
1996 NWSICT PPG Champion
1996 FRL PPG Champion

>My computers are both fairly standard, too. One is an ASUS TX
>motherboard with an Intel P-166, 32 mb SDRAM, Soundblaster 16, Screamin'
>3D card, Thrustmaster ACM game card, a Thrustmaster T2, and Win95b. The
>other is an Intel motherboard with P-133, 32 mb FPM RAM, ESS 1688 sound
>card, Intergraph Intense 3D card, Adaptec 2940 SCSI, Thrustmaster ACM
>card, Thrustmaster GP1 with CH Pro pedals, and Win95a. Both have 16-bit
>network cards, both have DirectX 5. Nothing radically bizarre here.

>Eagle Woman

>Remove the spam blocker NOSPAM to email me.
>http://www.nh.ultranet.com/~alison

by **George Sandma** » Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:00:00

I have to agree with David I have never see this kind of support anywhere!
Hope you come back soon Dean!!

George Sandman
Stealth Racing #1
1997 CICC PPG Champion
1996 CICC PPG Champion
1996 NWSICT PPG Champion
1996 FRL PPG Champion

>Dean,
> I don't blame you for leaving for a second. Check my other posting
>just written a few minutes ago. I personally have never seen a
>representative of a company or business put so much effort and time into
>helping it's customers and that's not an exaggeration. You DEFINITELY have
>helped many, many, people with CPR and I hope you feel good about that. I
>wish I had people like you working for me. Keep up the good work on CPR.

>Dave

>> "The worm has turned at Microsoft. They don't respond to cries for help
>and
>> criticism, anymore."

>> OK guys - I think that's about it for me on ras. My patience has run out.

>> I'm joining the other sim publishers and leaving you to it. Sorry.

by Jo » Sat, 13 Dec 1997 04:00:00

LOL! Good one, Bart.

Joe

by Jo » Sat, 13 Dec 1997 04:00:00

>>My motto has always been: never hose a hoser...

>And the total IQ of r.a.s drops another notch.

You are really humor-challenged, aren't you? The guy dropped you with
a good one-liner that you walked straight into. So that apparently
means everyone *else* here is stupid. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigght...

Joe

by **Alison Hi** » Sat, 13 Dec 1997 04:00:00

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:55:44 -0800, "Dean (CART Team)"

>"Excellent" Default Setups. In their early advertising, Microsoft made much
>of how "unlike other sims, CPR comes with excellent setups." - can you show
>me where you saw this? We have _never_ claimed the defaults were good -
>average at best. See any of my earlier FAQ postings on this.

Found it! In a FAQ available at Terminal Reality:

http://www.terminalreality.com/pub/cartfaq.txt

We find this:

"A garage with 50 settings? I don't want to play this complicated game!"

"Yes, the garage in CART has over 50 realistic settings. Unlike other
racing simulations, CART will ship with a good default setup for each
race track. If you wish to customize your car for your own particular
driving style, you can use the "Garage Wizard" to make this process
easy, or tweak the settings yourself."

Okay, so it said "good default setup", not "excellent default setup".
But the wording "unlike other racing simulations" imply the CPR default
setups will be noticeably better than the default setups in, say, ICR2.
So far, that's not my experience.

Alison

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