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by **Eldre** » Mon, 01 May 2000 04:00:00

>Papyrus screwed up big time in the marketing and production of GPL. We
>can all sit here a year later with all the third party utilities,
>tracks and public setups and say that it's perfect, but out of the box
>it was not a lot of fun.

Uh, neither is F12K, from discussions here...<g>

Agreed. The lack of adjustable AI was pretty stupid...

Actually, having an easy track to drive on doesn't necessarily mean that making
setups would be easy. Nascar games have about 90% ovals, but still not
everyone can make good stock car setups...

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Mon, 01 May 2000 04:00:00

>It would be nice if N3 had some better Eye Candy though. As for the Tracks
>in GPL, street racing pretty much takes all the fun out of it. The car
>drives like it is a
>rollerskate on an ice skating rink. That is just not the way it should be.
>When I think of Grand
>Prix car I think "Road Magnet" not "slippery when moving."

Ok - at least THIS is concrete. You're comparing them to modern F1. The
reason the cars in GPL don't behave as current Gran Prix cars is that there
isn't any aerodynamic downforce. As a result, the power-to-weight ratio means
the cars will slide around. If you're not willing to deal with that, then
fine. Throw(or give) it away, and no hard feelings.

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Mon, 01 May 2000 04:00:00

>And by your remark, one can assume you never wrecked while playing a driving
>simulator?

>-<+>-
>-<+>->IMHO... everyone was talking about that GPL so I went and got it. I
>loaded
>-<+>->it and was disgusted at
>-<+>->how the game played. I can not believe I wasted my money on that
>worthless
>-<+>->pile of junk. If the
>-<+>->make Nascar 4 anything like that pile of junk, I will not be purchasing
>that.
>-<+>->Sure, when you hit
>-<+>->something you see pieces fly, but the driving engine really sucks.
>-<+>->
>-<+>-
>-<+>-Can you give more concrete examples of why you think it 'sucks'? By the
>way,
>-<+>-you're not supposed to hit stuff...<g>
>-<+>-

Of course not, don't be stupid. I meant that the object is not to see how cool
or realistic the crashes look.
And you still didn't answer my question. What didn't you like about the game?
Can you give example instead of just a blanket - 'it sucks'?

Eldred
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by **Chris Bloo** » Mon, 01 May 2000 04:00:00

I think alot of people got a bit of a shock when they first
tried GPL. I was preparing myself for a "GP2 with old cars" and
was some what surprised at how difficult it actually was.

I dismissed the advice (before I tried it) in the GPL manual
that indicates that everyone who trys GPL spins at first. My
thought to this was "Maybe difficult for you mate! This boy has
been around sims before though!"

It was quite maddening at first to spend hours spinning round,
crashing into everything, launching my car up every grass bank
in western europe and generally not going anywhere fast.

Something about GPL made me come back for more...and more. I'm
glad it did because it gets better and better each day.

Chris

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by **Dan Belch** » Mon, 01 May 2000 04:00:00

Hey 3_4 I've read you're not really getting into GPL. Totally understandable.
The cars ARE a *** to drive, even when you do get used to the sim. So, I'd
suggest you get the GPL 1.2 patch, then go to http://www.racesimcentral.net/
and get Alison Hine's Ferrari setups, which are extremely stable and easy to
drive, yet are still fast. And if you still have trouble, trying running the
Trainer cars to get used to the tracks. And finally, remember the old racing
term: slow in equals fast out. Good luck and good racing!

-----------------------------------------
Dan Belcher
Team Racing Unlimited
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **Jim Er** » Mon, 01 May 2000 04:00:00

Not related to me in any way. All I can tell the poster, is he might
find comfort n the fact, that the vast majority of folks in the sim
racing community share his opinion of GPL. For some reason, the small
handful of people who actually own GPL, and have landed in R.A.S., think
their opinions have more value than the other 99% of sim racers.

2_Slow

by **Remco Moe** » Mon, 01 May 2000 04:00:00

>Agreed. The lack of adjustable AI was pretty stupid...

I disagree. Now you can be proud _if_ you're able to win
a race. Heck, even finishing in the top 6 is an archievement...

Remco

by **Jan Verschuere** » Mon, 01 May 2000 04:00:00

So the "real" simracers don't race the most technically advanced racing
simulation and don't frequent the simracing newsgroup... that's pretty
weird.

Show me this silent majority or change your comment to "99% of people who
play racing games."

Jan.
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by **Jim Er** » Mon, 01 May 2000 04:00:00

I see nowhere in my post where I used the word "real". If you are
going to make facts up as you go along, no meaningful discussion is
possible.

The "most technically advanced racing sim" is your opinion and not a
fact.

Given the pitiful sales figures for GPL, I think 99% might be bit
off. Probably closer to 99.9% of them took a look at the sim and did not
like what they found.

Dark and unattractive graphics, compatibility only with video gear 2
to 3 years old, overly exaggerated physics and a severe degree of
difficulty turned most folks off on the sim. Sorry.

2_Slow

by **Joe6** » Mon, 01 May 2000 04:00:00

>Never had problem on my old PC getting the resolution up to 1024x768 with my
>Voodoo2 8meg. No SLI. GPL doesn't use Z-buffering, so it can do a
>resolution higher than the maximum. No hack, simply take the resolution in
>the GPL option screen ;)

Didn't know that. Can the Voodoo2 handle 1024x768 without a slowdown?

Joe McGinn
_____________________
Radical Entertainment

by **Joe6** » Mon, 01 May 2000 04:00:00

>I guess this means no more "wall magnents"
>hurrah!!! and pluse, No more getting AI wedged in the wall and having them flew
>in reverse at 450MPH. Hurrah!!!

I'm not so concerned about the glitches here and there, but the
overall stale feel of the driving as compared to GPL.

Joe McGinn
_____________________
Radical Entertainment

by **Dave Henri** » Mon, 01 May 2000 04:00:00

I never saw Papyrus say the "wall magnet" effect was a glitch.
I think it worked just as they programmed it. Did I miss that?
dave henrie

> >I guess this means no more "wall magnents"
> >hurrah!!! and pluse, No more getting AI wedged in the wall and having them flew
> >in reverse at 450MPH. Hurrah!!!

> I'm not so concerned about the glitches here and there, but the
> overall stale feel of the driving as compared to GPL.

> Joe McGinn
> _____________________
> Radical Entertainment

by **Cliff Roma** » Mon, 01 May 2000 04:00:00

Joe, do you think there are any games out there that are junk?

> That's my sentiments exactly. Saying the game is "not for you" is fine,
> however, calling it a pile of junk because it's not for you is ridiculous.
> This game isn't for everyone, fair enough. Just don't bash it because you
> can't drive it.

> --
> Joe Marques

> > And that's the bottom line on this whole deal. If I had the same amount
> of
> > patience my son has, I would have bagged this game the 7th time I spun
off
> > the outer loop at the Glen in my first crack at it. I would have
decided
> > (like my son did) that this game isn't for me. To 3_4_me though, "not
for
> > me" means the same thing as "pile of junk".

by **Chris Bloo** » Mon, 01 May 2000 04:00:00

Uh? GPL is fully compatible with Voodoo cards, the Voodoo 3 is
currently available and the Voodoo 4/5 is not yet released (I
don't think so anyway?)!!

Chris

> Dark and unattractive graphics, compatibility only with
video gear 2
>to 3 years old, overly exaggerated physics and a severe degree
of
>difficulty turned most folks off on the sim. Sorry.

> 2_Slow

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by **ymenar** » Mon, 01 May 2000 04:00:00

Eh well I said it can. I didn't say it can without a slowdown ;)

But it can.. of course if you have a PC powerful enough to handle 1024x with
a Voodoo2.

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