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RT Timing Sync Bug!

Dave Case

RT Timing Sync Bug!

by Dave Case » Thu, 08 Nov 2001 09:48:00

I think you would find most "real" race car drivers will disagree with you
on this very point.  What it sounds like to me is that you're saying there
is no such thing as a "natural born race car driver" and to that I would
say bull.  I see it almost every weekend I go to the kart track and see a
15 year old kid drive the wheels off his kart and blow the doors off the
20+ Lil Al wannabees.  Just because I can drive my kart fast doesn't mean I
could jump into a CART racecar "with a little instruction" and drive it
fast.  Of course, "fast" would be open to interpretation.  I can go out to
CART 101 here in Vegas and drive a CART car 180+ mph which, most definitely
is fast.  Until of course, Michael Andretti blows by me at 220+ mph.  And
all the instruction in the world isn't going to get me up on his rear wing
and keep me there.

--
Dave Casey
Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4)
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Eldre

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by Eldre » Thu, 08 Nov 2001 14:55:53



>Boxing day. Eldred's server. Zandvoort. 80 Laps. I'll be there ... again.
>With Jan eating my exhaust fumes.

OOh, that sounds like a CHALLENGE...<G>
Boxing Day - that's the fake holiday on the day after Xmas, right? :-)

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
GPLRank - under construction...

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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Andre Warrin

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by Andre Warrin » Thu, 08 Nov 2001 17:37:40

On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 00:48:23 GMT, "Colin Harris"




>> RACE RESULTS (After 90 laps)

>> Pos No Driver                          Team     Nat Laps   Race Time

>> 16   8 Andre Warringa                  Cooper   HOL    7  11m00.730s  83
>> lap(s)

>Another good result for you, 'Dre... :-))))

Ermm.. err.. it was a.. ehh.. yeah, it was a disco!
Jens, quickly, post those Silverstone results!

Andre

Asbj?rn Bj?rnst

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by Asbj?rn Bj?rnst » Thu, 08 Nov 2001 17:51:30


> On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 00:48:23 GMT, "Colin Harris"



> >> RACE RESULTS (After 90 laps)

> >> Pos No Driver                          Team     Nat Laps   Race Time

> >> 16   8 Andre Warringa                  Cooper   HOL    7  11m00.730s  83
> >> lap(s)

> >Another good result for you, 'Dre... :-))))

> Ermm.. err.. it was a.. ehh.. yeah, it was a disco!
> Jens, quickly, post those Silverstone results!

Monza!
--
  -asbjxrn
Jens H. Kruus

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by Jens H. Kruus » Thu, 08 Nov 2001 18:21:18




> > Ermm.. err.. it was a.. ehh.. yeah, it was a disco!
> > Jens, quickly, post those Silverstone results!

> Monza!

Sorry guys. Can't connect to Eldred's ftp-server. :-(

Eldred's GPs: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~epickett/gprace.html

/Jens

Andre Warrin

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by Andre Warrin » Thu, 08 Nov 2001 19:03:21



>> >Another good result for you, 'Dre... :-))))

>> Ermm.. err.. it was a.. ehh.. yeah, it was a disco!
>> Jens, quickly, post those Silverstone results!

>Monza!
>--
>  -asbjxrn

Below the belt :)
I felt asleep during the Monza race..

Andre

Andre Warrin

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by Andre Warrin » Thu, 08 Nov 2001 19:09:49

On Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:21:18 +0100, "Jens H. Kruuse"


>Sorry guys. Can't connect to Eldred's ftp-server. :-(

>Eldred's GPs: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~epickett/gprace.html

>/Jens

Luckily I can :D

Race Length: 2:04:05.52 - 80L  

1  2  A. Warringa  LOT  113.2 mph  
2  12  J. Verschuere  COV  -1L  
3  19  M. Tate FD  FER  -1L  
4  6  D. McCorkle  FER  -17L  
5  9  H. ter Horst  FER  -31L  
6  14  R. Squires  FER  Accident  
7  3  E. Pickett  FER  -36L  
8  1  M. Hellblade  FER  -47L  
9  8  J. Andersen  LOT  -52L  
10  17  R. Adams  LOT  Camshaft  
11  7  B. Cammack FD  COV  -65L  
12  5  P. Leblanc  LOT  -67L  
13  16  J. Simmons  FER  Accident  
14  18  R. Rohde  FER  -72L  
15  20  M. Winkler  LOT  -72L  
16  13  P. Malphrus J  FER  -72L  
17  10  J. Herbert  LOT  Retired  
18  11  K. Chalk  LOT  -76L  
19  15  S. Willis  LOT  -80L  

I can still feel the pain in my back I had after this race :)

Andre

Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Thu, 08 Nov 2001 18:22:29

Malcolm, sorry for this late reply, but you raise an interesting
point/duality about "sustainable level of effort" there.

I have always interpreted 8/10ths, or 98%, or 100% concentration or whatever
one wishes to call it as the level where one's not exactly cruising or
comfortable, but fairly sure one won't make mistakes. I.e. it should take an
outside influence (like a battle for position with another car) to require
one to step up the level of driving and possibly having to "gather things
up". Reading between the lines of your posts, however, I get the impression
you interpret it as being a level where one might make a mistake, but one's
fairly certain to catch it. A subtle, yet important distinction as I've
recently become aware "my" approach leaves one open to concentration errors,
whereas that's less of a danger with "yours" I would imagine.

This raises the question: in your opinion, would driving at the slighty
higher level (but at the same time freeing up attention otherwise spent on
trying to be faultless) be more productive in the long run?

Jan.
=---
"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

Jens H. Kruus

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by Jens H. Kruus » Thu, 08 Nov 2001 19:21:51



> On Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:21:18 +0100, "Jens H. Kruuse"

> >Sorry guys. Can't connect to Eldred's ftp-server. :-(

> >Eldred's GPs: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~epickett/gprace.html

> >/Jens

> Luckily I can :D

> Race Length: 2:04:05.52 - 80L

> 1  2  A. Warringa  LOT  113.2 mph
> 2  12  J. Verschuere  COV  -1L
<Snip!>
> I can still feel the pain in my back I had after this race :)

Only your back? I remember hurting somewhere else after 2+ hours of racing.
;-)

/Jens

Asbj?rn Bj?rnst

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by Asbj?rn Bj?rnst » Thu, 08 Nov 2001 19:50:11




> >> >Another good result for you, 'Dre... :-))))

> >> Ermm.. err.. it was a.. ehh.. yeah, it was a disco!
> >> Jens, quickly, post those Silverstone results!

> >Monza!

> Below the belt :)
> I felt asleep during the Monza race..

That's my (And Toms Pabsts? (Oh, no he didn't start that thread again,
did he?)) strategy.. Stay so far behind that the guy in front get so
bored out of his mind by parading around on his own that he starts to
find the wallpaper interesting. Managing to get him to fall asleep is
an outstanding successs. :-)

GPL is a RTS game, isn't it?
--
  -asbjxrn

Maxx

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by Maxx » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 03:03:50

On Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:22:29 +0100, "Jan Verschueren"

Jan,

Well, theres a couple of thing going on at the same time in order for
me really to feel I am driving at 100%. They are 2 aspects but It's
only sensible to talk about them as one as they are to a defree,
mutually exclusive.

Generally when I'm testing I have a number of things on my mind,
maybe I'm playing with a braking point or trying a slightly different
gearing. Mostly it's about the approach to the the corner as a whole.
This is almost always to do with the throttle states throughout the
corner, when to trail it, balance it or boot it.

Anyway, concentration wise thats pretty much 100% and, more
often than not (but not always), testing is aimed at going quicker
so I'm pushing the car to 100% as I currently see 100% to be.

But it's a sort of methodical concentration, I'm doing what I refer
to as "joining the dots".

Because I'm pushing the car to 100% AND thinking in this
fashion I am more likely to crash. Sometimes it's because I've
moved my brake marker to far, or the particular technique I've
tried hasn't worked but I beleive it's as much to do with my
"join the dots" mentality as these factors.

Now, I (and everyone) has to do this type of testing in
order to learn a new track, improve ones laptimes, improve
consistency but it's not an approach I like to have to race
with.

OK, so testing is 100%, now onto racing.

By the time I come to race I no longer want to feel the need to
join the dots, in a way I hope to engage some sort of mental
auto-pilot to get me aorund the track in good speed.

I feel I NEED to do this for 2 reasons.

1) I need some processing power for race situations, passing,
definding, just the stuff that goes through you mind in a race.

2) If I can get my co-pilot (which is the sub-concsious) to do the
driving for me I know it can re-act much quicker than my  
conscious mind to any driving related error, so fast that reaction
blurs into anticipation.

However, I don't have a switch to switch between sub-conscious
and conscious, the only things I can to make that switch is to
keep my conscious mind so busy with other things (easy on
lap 1/in a chase etc.) and just try and avoid going through my
join the dots scripts.

I of course have to pay attention to braking points etc., the
subconcsious isn't that good, but it's more of a glance than the
fixed stare you often get into whilst testing.

It's virtually impossible to do this for a whole race but I know
I have more accidenrts when in join the dots mode (unless
that is also couple with a toning down of pace).

My fault that I refer to is I often try and maintain the same
pace whilst lapsing into join the dots or just not having my
sub-conscious on song.

To me driving in any way safe is not really possible without
getting into a position where I'm joining the dots, or more
specifically, my conscious mind is dealing with the mechanics
of driving.

So, in answer to your question then yes, I do always try
and avoid safe driving :) but "safe" being a mental state
rather than an actual measure of the likelyhood of crashing.

Funny you should ask this, I have just realised why I hate
Spa and am very poor at racing there. It's impossible for
me to get in that state there unless I'm on someones tail.

When the next requirement to do anything is over 30secs
away and you can see your next braking point looking up
for 10-15 secs or so there is no way to busy yourself enough
to let the sub-conscious deal with it.

Yes, put like that, absolutely, but I can appreciate it's difficult
to let go.

AI races are good for this if you get them at about your
speed and have plenty of em. I often race 19 AI which
are usually a bit slower than me (I'll use GEM or Markenpol
to arrange this). The idea is I should be able to pass most
of them in a few laps so I'm always doing something.

This should be much easier to arrrange once the new GPLAIM
program is released at the end of this week.

Hope I've answered your question, if not or you have more
questions, fire away.

Maxx

Douglas Elliso

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by Douglas Elliso » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 05:41:15


gibberish.

Talking of which, read any of your own posts recently?

Doug

Jonny Hodgso

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by Jonny Hodgso » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 05:16:51


> *We* did, but that is not to say I cannot enter *another*, right?

> I never got that grudge match against DGF in the end, so I wouldn't like to
> miss out on an opportunity to let my driving do the talking with reference
> to mr. Pabst. We've locked horns in a similar thread in the past. I took
> exemption to myself and other simracers I respect *a lot* being included in
> a generalisation thought to be detrimental to the sport/community and I'm
> still angry about that. I haven't commented in this thread as all of what I
> wrote back then is still valid and unriposted by the gentleman in question
> (so nothing new to add).

> How's about a Le Mans Sarthe GP, BTW?

Will GPL refuel the car if you pit?

Jonny
not started running races that long yet...

Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 08:19:09

No, it won't do any work on the car, why the option to pit other than for
penalties is even there, I don't know (Nx compatibility is my best guess).

Using GPL it would have to be a Grand Prix race (i.e. about 300km), the 24hr
event is out of the question. The cars in GPL were never meant for use in
that race anyway.

I merely suggested it as, IMO, it's a suitable choice for a GP event. Apart
from possibly the s/f area at the start of the race it would be a pretty
safe track to race at, I think.

Jan.
=---
"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Sun, 11 Nov 2001 05:32:33


???????

DGF


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