>> No, Goy, he did not say The Ring in NASCAR 4... ;]
>Whoooops, my bad.....
Andre
>> No, Goy, he did not say The Ring in NASCAR 4... ;]
>Whoooops, my bad.....
Andre
> >> No, Goy, he did not say The Ring in NASCAR 4... ;]
> >Whoooops, my bad.....
> Uhm.. was this a hint at a nice Christmas surprise?
Beers and cheers
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>>I think any *** who plays the same game for as long as Alex and then
>>thinks he's actually accomplished something needs to be studied by a team of
>>psychiatrists at a major European clinic.
>Why, David? Do you use the same reasoning for sports? I don't remember if
>I've asked you this before. If someone has been bowling for 10 years, and
>finally rolls a 300, does that make his accomplishment any less worthy? Why
>does it matter the time frame it took? And, if you expect success at
>*anything* to come easy, then why even bother? If you do something good in
>your chosen field/sport/hobby quickly then it isn't much of a challenge. If
>you can't do it quickly, would you classify yourself as a failure?
>Eldred
Rafe Mc
Hmm.. that is exactly the point. In real life we cannot do such things, as
it hurts/costs a lot of money or is technically impossible. In simulations
we can do it! We can push our limits! We can do better/faster whatever
without costs/risks..
If you want to have risks, do it in real life.
If you want to have fun, do it in a simulation.
BTW.. I dont think that hotlapping is about practicing crashes.
It is about avoiding them while driving at the limit. Non of
the real fast laps have crashs in it ;) ... being able to drive
consistent laps is a prerequisite to do fast hotlaps, IMHO.
Only wannabees will crash lap after lap waiting for the magic
super lap. They will soon learn that this is the wrong approach.
Of course, it takes more to win sim-races. It needs luck when
you have to avoid wrecks, it needs more time, it needs a stable
internet connection.
I would say, a hotlapper needs: Track knowledge, hand-eye coordination,
setup/car knowledge.
For being on top in sim races you need additionally: knowledge about the
opposition, knowledge about how to deal with traffic, luck, money, time.
(note, that the hoplapper needs are *prerequisite* for performing well
in sim races, too!)
I for myself prefer hotlapping since usually I dont have
knowledge about the opposition and want to avoid getting my
efforts ruined by lack of luck in pickup races..
(for more realistic racing I recommend to race in one of the many
leagues :)
Easy to beat. All you need is to practice fast driving :)
Once you are able to drive really fast laps,
you can do anything at monza :)
Once you know the perfect way around the track, you will have no
problems to overtake on the long straight, there is no need to
practice driving out of the racing line.. you simply shouldnt be there.
I am not there for 99.99% of a race distance. Why should I use a line
slower than the racing line? Only to overtake, and that is easy at monza.
(I agree, practicing *some* turns off the perfect line can help in dealing
with traffic on the more twistier tracks.)
If you mean you cannot keep your car on the racing line
for 30% of a race distance, then you better practice offline a bit ;)
Yeah. Practicing driving off the racing line will make them driving there
(according to your own theory), being much slower and more unpredictable
compared to any hotlapper I know. I wouldn't like to be in a race
together with such driving chicanes - would be a nightmare..
Ok. You asked for it. Here is my opinion: Practicing hotlaps should be a must
for everyone trying to participate in online races.
You need to know the limits of your car, you need to know the limits
of the track and you need to know where the racing line is.
Doing hours and hours of hotlapping (= learning to drive your car
on the edge without crashing) is the best way to learn that, IMHO.
When you are done with this, *then* start worrying about strategy and dealing
with traffic.
Once you know how to do - let's say - 1:28-ish hotlaps at monza,
you can easily do 1:29 without creating any troubles to others, in the
middle of heavy traffic. (Tom is right in one point: you should not try
to reproduce these 1:28 during a race, simply drive along without
losing control should be the main goal during a race - should be easy
once you learned how your car behaves when it reaches 'the edge' - you will
recognize all the 'early warnings' before it starts to get out of control after
spending some hours with hotlapping in the same car/setup/track combination)
Calis
GPLrank at -25, current Euro-IICC champion.
Way more proud of the -25, since winning several league
races involved luck, absence of faster guys, .. in other words:
Winning a race, or even winning a league season doesnt compare
to anything, while GPLrank at -25 means an absolute level of
pure driving skill, no luck involved.
>>writes:
>>>At the Legends Central-Forum someone has a signature that goes like
>this;'An
>>>idiot will drag you down to his level and beat you on experience'. (or
>>>something equal to that). So.. don't go there:)
>>Legends Central, huh? :-)
>Yeah, you stole it from the guy at Central Legends :))
Eldred
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with experience...
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How much time do you spend 'beta testing' every week? ;-)
Alex.
> I think any *** who plays the same game for as long as Alex and then
> thinks he's actually accomplished something needs to be studied by a team
of
> psychiatrists at a major European clinic.
> Maybe he and the other GPL backslappers could get a group "home" and
"play"
> with each other all day, every day.
> David G Fisher
> > "DGF"...??
> > TP
> > > From what I've read from and about you on r.a.s I thought you were a
> > little
> > > strange. Now I'm convinced you need some psychiatric help, maybe you
and
> > DGF
> > > could get together for a group session.
> > > <snip>
Speaking as a South African, my observation is that for most white
South Africans, living in the *new* South Africa certainly has no more
priviliges for them. I guess it probably seems like the *good old
days* when they speak of pre 1994 South Africa. I'm glad they have
happy memories of those days and hope that they have new ones for the
future.
My life growing up in the same society was definately not as rosy and
since 1994 more doors and opportunities have been opened to me. I am
glad that we've undergone a relatively peaceful revolution and
especially thankful that my kids get to grow up in a more tolerant
society. I hope others who think fondly of apartheid will take time
to think of their fellow citizens who have *no* fond recollections of
that time. I don't blame them for their misguided thoughts. I just
hope that they wake up and realize that to wish for the apartheid
years means to wish suffering and injustice on their fellow South
Africans.
Peace people, its time to move on. :) Sorry for the rant.
>Mick Brown:
>Sorry to drag this topic back to a more serious note but I've got to ask
>Blade this:
>Reading your posts I get the impression that you had no reservations about
>the apartheid system your government ran. Am I correct?
>I'm speaking as a liberal, an environmentalist AND a realist.
>Mick
>Blade:
>None whatsoever.
>I rest my case, I would never call eveyone of South Africa nationality
>racist I've met some South Africans and they were very nice, the song is
>just a joke. But this bloke by his own admision does support apartheid, so
>in my oppinion he is a racist sack of shit. I know it's got nothing to do
>with smirching but I've got no time for anybody with oppinions like that
>anywhere.
>Alex
>> Ah.
>> Please don't lower yourself to his level. Saying he's an apartheid
>> supporting racist makes you just as bad as him when he says hotlappers
>have
>> got anthrax at their arms.
>> At the Legends Central-Forum someone has a signature that goes like
>this;'An
>> idiot will drag you down to his level and beat you on experience'. (or
>> something equal to that). So.. don't go there:)
>> My 2 cents,
>> Svend
>> > > Who in the FARK is this tom or whoever he is.
>> > Try doing a search for the name "Tim McArther"+ "Pabst" at google groups
>> to
>> > find out what ths Pabst charicter is realy like.
>> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/
>> > > I mean what kind of pin*** would come on and write some dribble out
>of
>> > his
>> > > arse saying how ***and inconsistant the fast guys are when he cant
>> even
>> > > break a 1.32 at monza HA!!
>> > > It sounds like this guy is just ***y jealous or trying to justify
>his
>> > > crappiness by downing the guys like Huttu, Wilke who make this sim
>> ***ing
>> > > great.
>> > > Theres always a bunch of tossers hiding in the corner bagging the ***
>> out
>> > > of guys who are better than them. You remind me of 2 guys who have
>done
>> > the
>> > > same things as you.
>> > > Mark Beckman : Tosser who cant make tracks for shit, fugly pieces of
>> > > undrivable ***which look like some ***in retard put together, yet
>he
>> > > thinks they are works of art?. Smart ass who thinks he's king ***ing
>> > shit.
>> > > When someone disagrees he will argue his balls of at em till they just
>> > give
>> > > up in disgust.
>> > > SHUT UP FOO
>> > > Blade: I dunno this guys real name, but whoever the***is, he's king
>> > toss
>> > > pot. He goes around telling everyone that most of the people are ahead
>> of
>> > > him are cheaters.
>> > He's a real nice guy too, ever heard the spitting image song "I've never
>> met
>> > a nice South African"
>> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/
>> > ;-) he's a racist apartheid supporting sack of shit.
>> > > Tom , you have ranked up there with the greatest ***wits to ever
>grace
>> > the
>> > > sims, and i feel sorry for ya, no the hotlappers arent the insects,
>its
>> > > arrogant***roaches like you to do their best to put down the guys
>that
>> > > work hard for their success.
>> > > I mean you know your probably gonna be fired now for talking your
>shit,
>> i
>> > > suppose its justice, because i dunno how anyone could employ such a
>> > > dimwitted***head like yourself into a business thats main target is
>> > > dedicated sim racers. Until your fired, i dont think your company will
>> > sell
>> > > anything. So i hope BRD read all of this and ***y fire you and make
>> sure
>> > > you never work in the industry again.
>> > > Regards
>> > > Luke
>> > Well said,
>> > Alex
>Jan.(I want in on this!! ;-))
Eldred
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> >Did you just mention the words "Ring" and "full distance" in the same
> >sentence?? <g>
> >Jan.(I want in on this!! ;-))
> Jan, didn't we already DO this one...? :-)
> Eldred
> --
Andre
| Lol, I don't actually spend 'that' much time practicing GPL and other
sims,
| no more than an hour a week. I usually have at least two league races a
week
| so that's another 3 to 4 hours, I hardly ever go on vroc nowadays, so I'd
| say I spend about 4 to 5 hours a week simracing that doesn't sound
excessive
| to me.
|
| How much time do you spend 'beta testing' every week? ;-)
|
| Alex.
|
| > DGF would be me!
| >
| > I think any *** who plays the same game for as long as Alex and then
| > thinks he's actually accomplished something needs to be studied by a
team
| of
| > psychiatrists at a major European clinic.
| >
| > Maybe he and the other GPL backslappers could get a group "home" and
| "play"
| > with each other all day, every day.
| >
| > David G Fisher
| >
| > > "DGF"...??
| > >
| > > TP
| > >
| > >
| > > > From what I've read from and about you on r.a.s I thought you were a
| > > little
| > > > strange. Now I'm convinced you need some psychiatric help, maybe you
| and
| > > DGF
| > > > could get together for a group session.
| > > >
| > > >
| > > > <snip>
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| > >
| >
|
|
> >Boxing day. Eldred's server. Zandvoort. 80 Laps. I'll be there ... again.
> >With Jan eating my exhaust fumes.
> When is boxing day? And who's fighting who?
> Andre
The day after Christmas, the Feast of St. Stephen, the first Christian
martyr, is better known as Boxing Day. The term may come from the opening of
church poor boxes that day; maybe from the earthenware boxes with which boy
apprentices collected money at the doors of their masters' clients.
Nowadays, we often see, in certain families, gifts (boxes) given to those
who provide services throughout the year.
"Boxing Day" is listed in the Canada Labour Code as a holiday."
Track: Zandvort Tue Dec 26 20:57:46 2000
RACE RESULTS (After 90 laps)
Pos No Driver Team Nat Laps Race Time
Diff
1 9 Jens Kruuse Ferrari DEN 90 137m55.256s
2 12 Jan Verschueren Cooper BEL 90 137m55.997s
00.741s
3 19 Eldred Pickett Ferrari USA 71 110m07.502s 19
lap(s)
4 17 Don McCorkle Ferrari USA 55 84m47.417s 35
lap(s)
5 20 Stian Svendsen Cooper FRA 51 77m19.981s 39
lap(s)
6 5 Bruno Zipprich Lotus USA 36 55m22.615s 54
lap(s)
7 10 Topi Paavola Ferrari FIN 33 49m54.753s 57
lap(s)
8 15 Sam Hook Lotus GER 32 48m10.094s 58
lap(s)
9 18 furtzo bernie Brabham ITA 31 46m36.770s 59
lap(s)
10 2 John Ferrari Simmons Ferrari USA 30 46m11.356s 60
lap(s)
11 16 Roger Squires Ferrari USA 30 46m14.199s 60
lap(s)
12 3 Piotr Tysowski Ferrari CAN 20 33m24.638s 70
lap(s)
13 6 David Ewing Brabham USA 19 29m28.427s 71
lap(s)
14 13 Mike Sullivan1 Ferrari USA 17 27m46.490s 73
lap(s)
15 14 Herko ter Horst Ferrari HOL 10 16m40.102s 80
lap(s)
16 8 Andre Warringa Cooper HOL 7 11m00.730s 83
lap(s)
17 11 Graeme Nash Ferrari GBR 2 3m01.491s 88
lap(s)
18 1 Joe Murphy Brabham IRE 2 3m41.901s 88
lap(s)
19 7 Neil Wood Brabham GBR 0 DidNotStart 90
lap(s)
20 4 Eldred Pickett Brabham USA 0 DidNotStart 90
lap(s)
Jens had a made a couple of mistakes allowing me to catch up. I proceeded to
try and pressure him in the twisty bits, but had nothing for him on the
straights. He didn't crack and, deservedly, won the race.
Coming 2nd in that race (even if through attrition) is one of my proudest
simracing acchievements to date.
Jan.
=---
"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.
I never got that grudge match against DGF in the end, so I wouldn't like to
miss out on an opportunity to let my driving do the talking with reference
to mr. Pabst. We've locked horns in a similar thread in the past. I took
exemption to myself and other simracers I respect *a lot* being included in
a generalisation thought to be detrimental to the sport/community and I'm
still angry about that. I haven't commented in this thread as all of what I
wrote back then is still valid and unriposted by the gentleman in question
(so nothing new to add).
How's about a Le Mans Sarthe GP, BTW?
Jan.
=---
"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.
Another good result for you, 'Dre... :-))))