I with Marc on this one. I was intending to spend a fair chunk of my first
3D *** Contract on the new BRD gear when it comes out ( seveal hundred
pounds) ...
- but until I hear a retraction/appology from Tom, or that he has been
sacked by BRD - then I will not be spending my money with a company that
employees someone this incompetant and unknowledgeable about Simming, Racing
and, frankly - life.
Doug
For idoits like you Tom that like to think you know what your on about when
clearly you dont. I have watched each one of these drivers come to VROC
doing 30's at monza, crashing like everyother newbie that can't do 3 laps
without crashing (sound familar to your dispostion?). They progress slowly
with time, some at faster rates than others (usually takes a year or more to
reach a -65rank even for the gifted), some are more talented than others,
some to be frank couldnt drive a nail into a piece of wood.. There are
drivers that can drive GPL easily and naturally, and those that work to be
fast through effort and commitment. Andreas Wilke is a commitment driver,
works at being fast. Where others like Weber, Huttu are more naturally
gifted if you like. Ive raced and driven with each of the name drivers at
the top for 2.5years in CL1, CL2, GPLWS 2.3.4, MOG, SRMelite, all the Top
Pinacles of GPL racing.....blah blah. These insects as you quote them,
hotlappers, arent at all hotlappers. They are just hot. I can race at 99% of
my abilty for lap after lap, as can most of the top50 aliens. They can lap
100laps of monaco at qual speed taking fuel into account. These drivers are
the special ones. They dont just do 3 laps and crash as you say, Its fully
possible to do more than 3laps at 80-100%, as you say, only back in the
darkages of 1.0 in October 99 could I only dream of 3 laps in a row without
a spin. Since I along with alot of others can do full GP races in realistic
damage at monaco and finish easily. This came with practice and time, you
arent put on this earth with the ability to drive a car flat out and
everyone has worded at it, top guys (aliens) included. Top guys are just
that, Top. Whatever ways you have to justify your own lack of speed and
talent they dont apply when talking of aliens. These guys have dedicated 2
years of there lives to this game. Most nights spend in VROC, racing,
hotlapping chatting, all accounting to add to a professional status if you
like. Took me 2.5years to reach the point i am at now and im still improving
daily. Thing is the guys that are 0.5faster than me in qual have just learnt
that bit quicker and had a faster ability to learn. Not everyone was cut out
to be a top flight sim racer. But theres a large number of guys out there
with the right ablilties and they have been focused via GPL allowing
competitive people fo the highest order to project there desires for success
throught a sim.
The racing with the so called hotlappers is infact of highest standards
obtainable online as they are the original top50 racers that infest all the
top leagues as quoted above. The fastest league drivers are the fastest and
cleanest racers in the Sim World. Ive met a number of the Top 20 in Holland
at a LAN event. They are human, they are all competitive, and they are just
as fast as they are online. Noone cheats, noone needs to. I have grown up
with these guys on VROC, unlike you clearly, you have no idea what your
talking about, your just dribbling like an incoherant old grannie. The
faster the driver the more incontrol he is, and the more adept or talented
he is, therefor he has more capacity of driving and racing at the same time.
Take a normal race at monza, Its the twats that cant do a -32 like you that
cause the trouble, as you arent incontrol, anyone above 1:29 in lotus isnt
cut out to race cars. Those below 27.5 are cut out to race wheel to wheel.
Every Monza race is ruined by the the 32+ crowd, where as the guys at the
front the insect hotlappers are racing sub 27.5 and racing wheel to wheel
and overtaking 2 times a lap. This is clean and perfectly mannered, racing
of the highest possible standards. But then a car appears on the horizon,
Its Mr.32+ weaving and running off line, lacking in abilty to look folward
and backwards at the same time, as his limited mind powered is focused
ahead. Suddenly the guy spins, or runs offline coming back on taking them
out, not realising there are two cars not one but GPL only shows one at a
time. Where the -27.5's are moving over on outlaps, using there mirrors,
aware of who and what is infront and behind, experienced in the art of
online racing taking into account warp. Races are all ruined by the slow and
inexperienced talentless drivers, the real action takes place with the top50
GPL crowd, the aliens, the guys you cant catch. These guys drive at all the
time 99% as Micheal Schumacher, Senna, Prost etc they are simply better at
everything than you, hard pill to sallow as i can see your having troubles..
Theres a limited number and not many get to be aliens. GPL lets anyone have
a stab at being Schumacher on a game. People all have the same chance. Thats
why the aliens in GPL are so filtered. There as fast as the amount of time
they spend playing. If Huttu where Hakkinen and Wilke, Schumacher, Id say
there Virtual Racing talents are up there with reallife counterparts, these
aliens are simply the cream of hotlaps, racing, racecraft, qualifying, line,
stratergy, track learning ability, aggression control, mental stamina,
concentration and everything required.
You make lose generalisations about a group of people you clearly know
nothing about. I for one as with most of my closest online GPL friends are
part of this group. As part of this group I can tell you that what you say
and think about GPL online is misguided poop. Ask the men that run the top
leagues, Micheal Carver, Christophe Schrimer, Eric Cote who are the best
GPLers in the world, they will all give the same answer, the guys at the
front of grid, the aliens you refer to. I suppose being a person that made
such flawed statements you woudn't be aware of these guys? If you were then
you would have heard the names, experienced the racing and shut up by now.
You have the wrong end of the stick, the further down the grid you go the
worse the racing and drivers get. The aliens are the guys that made GPL what
it is, without racers of this talent and speed there would be nothing to
play GPL for. GPL as with real life has good and bad drivers, its funny that
the only accusations of cheating and general dissaproval only come from
people that cant get near or werent cut out to play hand eye co-ordination
games, the ones better suited to knitting or something. On that note.
I cant believe you say the bullshit you do. Maybe you can never be part of
the elite. Maybe you dont race seriously and are annoyed by fast drivers.
Well there are three options to help your angst, practice more, except there
are guys far more talented than you or piss off.
Ive heard also you are the US distributor for BRD...Who do you think you are
gonna sell these wheels to. I have advised BRD products to the general % of
VROC'ers. After your comments maybe ill start suggesting a different brand.
These are the people who will be future customers. Id seriously suggest you
do some research on the topics you bravely care to comment on. Saving
yourself the unpleasant experience making yourself look like a complete
twat. The society that contains the top50 aliens is a nice to place to be,
there all great guys, they meet up, they love GPL. But theres always some
slow and talentless mutt like you who starts waffling crap and making
accusations about people and subjects you have no experience of. I arrived
in VROC with one intention to become a master, I kinda got there I think,
but its been hard slog as for most, your comments make people like me deeply
angry as our efforts in raising GPL to new heights and containing a
community online are swept under the carpet in a sea of unfounded bolox.
Piss off fool!
Regards
David Powell (alien sim racer scum)
> Before addressing some specific issues raised below, let me explain that
the
> RT Demo real-time clock, physics-clock "bug" was/is real. The GPL "bug"
was
> a "bug light" - turned on to attract the "insects." Some of you might
call
> this a "troll"....I have learned that's a bad word in newsgroups. Who
> cares. You can place any labels you want on my efforts to improve the
> quality of online racing....I will not stop this effort as long as
"insects"
> exist in online racing. The vast majority of drivers in the sim community
> support my effort to eliminate or completely de-emphasize "hotlapping"
> because it ruins online racing as an enjoyable and competitive form of
motor
> racing. This "majority" simply don't make posts on r.a.s, many of whom
> never even come to this newsgroup. They are the "silent majority" in this
> online racing community.
> **To the "Insects" who posted below:
> 1. The rest of this post I will be talking down to you. I am stating
that
> fact up front so there's no misunderstanding on your part that I do not
> respect you as a sim driver, nor do I respect your ability to drive your
sim
> car at 90-100% max performance and occasionally, pull off a lucky lap in
> which you do not crash - then rush to various "Insect Websites" and post
> your feat! I wouldn't care what you did with your computer and the sim
> racing software you purchased....if you did it offline and did not join
> online races....therefore your actions and stupidity would not effect me
or
> the majority of sim drivers who simply want to race online in a realistic
> manner. If all of you would agree to do your "gaming" stuff offline, then
> you will never hear another word from me about this topic. Can you all do
> that, please?
> 2. Exceptions to a rule always exist and do not negate the rule.
> 3.
read more »
JS
> Before addressing some specific issues raised below, let me explain that
the
> RT Demo real-time clock, physics-clock "bug" was/is real. The GPL "bug"
was
> a "bug light" - turned on to attract the "insects." Some of you might
call
> this a "troll"....I have learned that's a bad word in newsgroups. Who
> cares. You can place any labels you want on my efforts to improve the
> quality of online racing....I will not stop this effort as long as
"insects"
> exist in online racing. The vast majority of drivers in the sim community
> support my effort to eliminate or completely de-emphasize "hotlapping"
> because it ruins online racing as an enjoyable and competitive form of
motor
> racing. This "majority" simply don't make posts on r.a.s, many of whom
> never even come to this newsgroup. They are the "silent majority" in this
> online racing community.
> **To the "Insects" who posted below:
> 1. The rest of this post I will be talking down to you. I am stating
that
> fact up front so there's no misunderstanding on your part that I do not
> respect you as a sim driver, nor do I respect your ability to drive your
sim
> car at 90-100% max performance and occasionally, pull off a lucky lap in
> which you do not crash - then rush to various "Insect Websites" and post
> your feat! I wouldn't care what you did with your computer and the sim
> racing software you purchased....if you did it offline and did not join
> online races....therefore your actions and stupidity would not effect me
or
> the majority of sim drivers who simply want to race online in a realistic
> manner. If all of you would agree to do your "gaming" stuff offline, then
> you will never hear another word from me about this topic. Can you all do
> that, please?
> 2. Exceptions to a rule always exist and do not negate the rule.
> 3. The skills required to drive a race car very fast are not hard to
learn,
> vast numbers of the general population contain reasonable hand-eye
> coordination and with a little instruction they can learn to drive a race
> car, any race car ....very fast. Every driver in real-world racing at any
> level understands this fact (certainly at the top pro levels of racing)
and
> they also know that the difference between successful winners and the rest
> of the pack....is NOT the fact that the successful drivers contain unique
> driving skills not possessed by every other driver. That simply does not
> exist in racing....anywhere .....and sim racing is no exception to this
> rule!
> 4. There is a very small number of real-world drivers in the annals of
> racing history in which I direct you to refer to number #2 above.
> 5. I will explain what you are doing to hurt sim racing (for at least the
> one millionth time in the last five years): When you run lap after lap at
> 90-100% max, in search of that illusive fastest ever lap (defined anyway
you
> want to define it), what you do is train your subconscious mind's hand-eye
> coordination and micro-second decision making ability, to "race" at that
> same level. Since there is no driver ever (anywhere, any time, none...not
> one)......who can maintain 90-100% max performance race driving for more
> than a few laps without crashing or breaking their race car.....your are
> therefore training your self to crash! Is that clear? I can't think of
how
> much clearer I can make it. When you (the Insects) are allowed so much
> prominence and public exposure within this sim community, without somebody
> speaking up and reminding everyone that you are nothing but a "gamer" if
you
> hotlap all the time, then new drivers to this sim community begin to
follow
> false leaders.....the entire community suffers since the quality of online
> sim "racing" (notice I said "racing" not online sim "driving") declines.
> 6. A question for the Insects: If we could somehow introduce the
ultimate
> reality into sim racing......defined as creating culpability for
hotlapping
> crashes (or any crash).......defined as physical injury and/or cost of
> repair to your race car....how much interest would you continue to have in
> this "gaming activity" you engage in with a racing sim? This is easy to
do.
> We could put a program on your boot drive that kicks in every time you
crash
> your GPL race car (or any other sim car you drive)....it will
automatically
> shut down your computer. Upon reboot, you will be required to enter a
> credit card number, and $200 will be charged to your credit card....then
> your computer will boot up back to the desktop and you can go run some
more
> hot laps! How does that sound? Not very good, you say?
Well....real-world
> racing has a similar "boot/crash" program.....its just not called the same
> thing, you know?
> 7. In the face of crashing culpability as stated in number #6 above, if
an
> "insect" continued this hotlapping activity, how long would it take for
> everyone who knew him to call him an idiot! "Running up thousands and
> thousands of dollars on his credit card so he could lower is PB at Monza
by
> a 10th of a second".......that would not be considered sane and rational
> behavior for any human being. So....let me ask all the "insects" this
> question: "Is it the fact that you don't have to pay for all your
> crashes.....is that your argument for saying that what you are doing is
sane
> and rational?" I just want to make sure I understand your position on
this.
> Because I want to remind you that although you don't have to pay for all
> your crashes......"but we do" when you crash us out of an online race
> because that's the only way you have practiced to race online.....you
> practice crashing all the time, guess what: You are going to crash all
the
> time! Duh! WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANY LONGER! Please get
offline,
> go away, stop doing what you are doing....or find another "gaming
> activity"....PLEASE!
> **To all the rest of us....the non-Insects.............
> 1. Can you guys imagine how good these guys would really be as sim
drivers
> if they spent all that time they now spend learning to crash......on
> learning race strategy, how to drive their cars in control and avoid
> sticking their nose in the wrong place at the wrong time, how to "think
> their way" to the podium and how to work on their setups to achieve car
> stability in even the most "out of shape" situations that every race puts
us
> into at one time or another? Can you imagine how hard they might be to
beat
> at Monza (for example) if they spent several hundred laps practicing
driving
> completely out of the racing line there (which is where we all find
> ourselves for about 30% of every race we run....at any track)? Can you
> imagine how good these guys would be with all that practice? Wow! Isn't
it
> a shame we don't have these people to race against......that would be
great,
> wouldn't it?
> 2. Two days ago, a very prominent member of VROC and the GPL online
racing
> community wrote an email to me in response to a question I asked him about
> how he practices in GPL. His name is "Mac"....I'm sure many of you know
> him. Here is his response......
> My goals in a GPL race (league race or pick up race....they are all
the
> same to me....both equally important):
> 1. Avoid car contact with another competitor at all costs.
> 2. Finish the race (or in a no-damage race = finish without going
> off track).
> 3. Practice hard between races so I can make it to the podium
> without violating the goals in #1 and #2 above.
> 3. If you want to improve online sim racing, stop bitching about it in
> private chat rooms and email, and start speaking up against all this
> prominence on hotlapping in this community.......publicly! I know you
don't
> like doing that, most of you are conservative guys that shy away from
public
> limelight. But, heck.....if you don't speak up......you are only hurting
> yourself in the end. I'm challenging you to end your silence and speak up
> about this issue when ever you have the chance.
> Regards, (except to the Insects)
> Tom Pabst
> "Tom Pabst" <tmpa...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:idjE7.9555$wj5.3531635@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com...
> > **Rally Trophy Demo Bug Found**
> > For all of you who have become distrustful of your manly-hood and rally
> > driving skills......trying to get from a 2:28-to-2:29 range down into
the
> > 2:22-to-2:23 range where the "aliens" are running.........you've just
been
> > vindicated! It is unfortunate however, that many of you have already
hung
> > yourself or jumped out of 5th story window of your
read more »
Oh, and you're slow too.
Marty
> Before addressing some specific issues raised below, let me explain that the
> RT Demo real-time clock, physics-clock "bug" was/is real. The GPL "bug" was
> a "bug light" - turned on to attract the "insects." Some of you might call
> this a "troll"....I have learned that's a bad word in newsgroups. Who
> cares. You can place any labels you want on my efforts to improve the
> quality of online racing....I will not stop this effort as long as "insects"
> exist in online racing. The vast majority of drivers in the sim community
> support my effort to eliminate or completely de-emphasize "hotlapping"
> because it ruins online racing as an enjoyable and competitive form of motor
> racing. This "majority" simply don't make posts on r.a.s, many of whom
> never even come to this newsgroup. They are the "silent majority" in this
> online racing community.
> **To the "Insects" who posted below:
> 1. The rest of this post I will be talking down to you. I am stating that
> fact up front so there's no misunderstanding on your part that I do not
> respect you as a sim driver, nor do I respect your ability to drive your sim
> car at 90-100% max performance and occasionally, pull off a lucky lap in
> which you do not crash - then rush to various "Insect Websites" and post
> your feat! I wouldn't care what you did with your computer and the sim
> racing software you purchased....if you did it offline and did not join
> online races....therefore your actions and stupidity would not effect me or
> the majority of sim drivers who simply want to race online in a realistic
> manner. If all of you would agree to do your "gaming" stuff offline, then
> you will never hear another word from me about this topic. Can you all do
> that, please?
> 2. Exceptions to a rule always exist and do not negate the rule.
> 3. The skills required to drive a race car very fast are not hard to learn,
> vast numbers of the general population contain reasonable hand-eye
> coordination and with a little instruction they can learn to drive a race
> car, any race car ....very fast. Every driver in real-world racing at any
> level understands this fact (certainly at the top pro levels of racing) and
> they also know that the difference between successful winners and the rest
> of the pack....is NOT the fact that the successful drivers contain unique
> driving skills not possessed by every other driver. That simply does not
> exist in racing....anywhere .....and sim racing is no exception to this
> rule!
> 4. There is a very small number of real-world drivers in the annals of
> racing history in which I direct you to refer to number #2 above.
> 5. I will explain what you are doing to hurt sim racing (for at least the
> one millionth time in the last five years): When you run lap after lap at
> 90-100% max, in search of that illusive fastest ever lap (defined anyway you
> want to define it), what you do is train your subconscious mind's hand-eye
> coordination and micro-second decision making ability, to "race" at that
> same level. Since there is no driver ever (anywhere, any time, none...not
> one)......who can maintain 90-100% max performance race driving for more
> than a few laps without crashing or breaking their race car.....your are
> therefore training your self to crash! Is that clear? I can't think of how
> much clearer I can make it. When you (the Insects) are allowed so much
> prominence and public exposure within this sim community, without somebody
> speaking up and reminding everyone that you are nothing but a "gamer" if you
> hotlap all the time, then new drivers to this sim community begin to follow
> false leaders.....the entire community suffers since the quality of online
> sim "racing" (notice I said "racing" not online sim "driving") declines.
> 6. A question for the Insects: If we could somehow introduce the ultimate
> reality into sim racing......defined as creating culpability for hotlapping
> crashes (or any crash).......defined as physical injury and/or cost of
> repair to your race car....how much interest would you continue to have in
> this "gaming activity" you engage in with a racing sim? This is easy to do.
> We could put a program on your boot drive that kicks in every time you crash
> your GPL race car (or any other sim car you drive)....it will automatically
> shut down your computer. Upon reboot, you will be required to enter a
> credit card number, and $200 will be charged to your credit card....then
> your computer will boot up back to the desktop and you can go run some more
> hot laps! How does that sound? Not very good, you say? Well....real-world
> racing has a similar "boot/crash" program.....its just not called the same
> thing, you know?
> 7. In the face of crashing culpability as stated in number #6 above, if an
> "insect" continued this hotlapping activity, how long would it take for
> everyone who knew him to call him an idiot! "Running up thousands and
> thousands of dollars on his credit card so he could lower is PB at Monza by
> a 10th of a second".......that would not be considered sane and rational
> behavior for any human being. So....let me ask all the "insects" this
> question: "Is it the fact that you don't have to pay for all your
> crashes.....is that your argument for saying that what you are doing is sane
> and rational?" I just want to make sure I understand your position on this.
> Because I want to remind you that although you don't have to pay for all
> your crashes......"but we do" when you crash us out of an online race
> because that's the only way you have practiced to race online.....you
> practice crashing all the time, guess what: You are going to crash all the
> time! Duh! WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANY LONGER! Please get offline,
> go away, stop doing what you are doing....or find another "gaming
> activity"....PLEASE!
> **To all the rest of us....the non-Insects.............
> 1. Can you guys imagine how good these guys would really be as sim drivers
> if they spent all that time they now spend learning to crash......on
> learning race strategy, how to drive their cars in control and avoid
> sticking their nose in the wrong place at the wrong time, how to "think
> their way" to the podium and how to work on their setups to achieve car
> stability in even the most "out of shape" situations that every race puts us
> into at one time or another? Can you imagine how hard they might be to beat
> at Monza (for example) if they spent several hundred laps practicing driving
> completely out of the racing line there (which is where we all find
> ourselves for about 30% of every race we run....at any track)? Can you
> imagine how good these guys would be with all that practice? Wow! Isn't it
> a shame we don't have these people to race against......that would be great,
> wouldn't it?
> 2. Two days ago, a very prominent member of VROC and the GPL online racing
> community wrote an email to me in response to a question I asked him about
> how he practices in GPL. His name is "Mac"....I'm sure many of you know
> him. Here is his response......
> My goals in a GPL race (league race or pick up race....they are all the
> same to me....both equally important):
> 1. Avoid car contact with another competitor at all costs.
> 2. Finish the race (or in a no-damage race = finish without going
> off track).
> 3. Practice hard between races so I can make it to the podium
> without violating the goals in #1 and #2 above.
> 3. If you want to improve online sim racing, stop bitching about it in
> private chat rooms and email, and start speaking up against all this
> prominence on hotlapping in this community.......publicly! I know you don't
> like doing that, most of you are conservative guys that shy away from public
> limelight. But, heck.....if you don't speak up......you are only hurting
> yourself in the end. I'm challenging you to end your silence and speak up
> about this issue when ever you have the chance.
> Regards, (except to the Insects)
> Tom Pabst
> "Tom Pabst" <tmpa...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:idjE7.9555$wj5.3531635@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com...
> > **Rally Trophy Demo Bug Found**
> > For all of you who have become distrustful of your manly-hood and rally
> > driving skills......trying to get from a 2:28-to-2:29 range down into the
> > 2:22-to-2:23 range where the "aliens" are running.........you've just been
> > vindicated! It is unfortunate however, that many of you have already hung
> > yourself or jumped out of 5th story window of your office building or
> > apartment complex....in total frustration. May those of you who have done
> > that already..........."rest in peace!"
> > To those of us who are left on this planet with us..........
> > **Take note: A bug was found in the RT demo that invalidates any stage
> time
> > much below 2:28 or so.......maybe even hire. Certainly, any time turned
> in
> > well below that is completely bogus! Essentially what this means is, if
> you
> > were running your well-driven stage runs at around the 2:28 to 2:29 range
> or
> > so.......that's your real time and you are a very good rally driver (at
> > least in RT you are). Those times are the same as the 2:22's and 2:23's
> > others were getting, but their computers were reporting those times from a
> > bogus coding bug.....their times really are the same as the 2:28's to
> 2:29's
> > you get!
> > """""WATCH THE ALIENS SCATTER""""""
> > This is very important****** This applies only to the RT Demo which is
> > confirmed by Bugbear codeheads - THE DEMO IS NOT FINAL CODE and this bug
> > does not exist in the Rally Trophy Final Release code (due out in 13
> days).
> > We can all rest assured, and wait in high-anticipation....for
read more »
Dave
> Oh, and you're slow too.
> Marty
> Tom Pabst wrote:
> > "Thank you" to everyone who posted comments below.......
> > Before addressing some specific issues raised below, let me explain that
the
> > RT Demo real-time clock, physics-clock "bug" was/is real. The GPL "bug"
was
> > a "bug light" - turned on to attract the "insects." Some of you might
call
> > this a "troll"....I have learned that's a bad word in newsgroups. Who
> > cares. You can place any labels you want on my efforts to improve the
> > quality of online racing....I will not stop this effort as long as
"insects"
> > exist in online racing. The vast majority of drivers in the sim
community
> > support my effort to eliminate or completely de-emphasize "hotlapping"
> > because it ruins online racing as an enjoyable and competitive form of
motor
> > racing. This "majority" simply don't make posts on r.a.s, many of whom
> > never even come to this newsgroup. They are the "silent majority" in
this
> > online racing community.
> > **To the "Insects" who posted below:
> > 1. The rest of this post I will be talking down to you. I am stating
that
> > fact up front so there's no misunderstanding on your part that I do not
> > respect you as a sim driver, nor do I respect your ability to drive your
sim
> > car at 90-100% max performance and occasionally, pull off a lucky lap in
> > which you do not crash - then rush to various "Insect Websites" and post
> > your feat! I wouldn't care what you did with your computer and the sim
> > racing software you purchased....if you did it offline and did not join
> > online races....therefore your actions and stupidity would not effect me
or
> > the majority of sim drivers who simply want to race online in a
realistic
> > manner. If all of you would agree to do your "gaming" stuff offline,
then
> > you will never hear another word from me about this topic. Can you all
do
> > that, please?
> > 2. Exceptions to a rule always exist and do not negate the rule.
> > 3. The skills required to drive a race car very fast are not hard to
learn,
> > vast numbers of the general population contain reasonable hand-eye
> > coordination and with a little instruction they can learn to drive a
race
> > car, any race car ....very fast. Every driver in real-world racing at
any
> > level understands this fact (certainly at the top pro levels of racing)
and
> > they also know that the difference between successful winners and the
rest
> > of the pack....is NOT the fact that the successful drivers contain
unique
> > driving skills not possessed by every other driver. That simply does
not
> > exist in racing....anywhere .....and sim racing is no exception to this
> > rule!
> > 4. There is a very small number of real-world drivers in the annals of
> > racing history in which I direct you to refer to number #2 above.
> > 5. I will explain what you are doing to hurt sim racing (for at least
the
> > one millionth time in the last five years): When you run lap after lap
at
> > 90-100% max, in search of that illusive fastest ever lap (defined anyway
you
> > want to define it), what you do is train your subconscious mind's
hand-eye
> > coordination and micro-second decision making ability, to "race" at that
> > same level. Since there is no driver ever (anywhere, any time,
none...not
> > one)......who can maintain 90-100% max performance race driving for more
> > than a few laps without crashing or breaking their race car.....your are
> > therefore training your self to crash! Is that clear? I can't think of
how
> > much clearer I can make it. When you (the Insects) are allowed so much
> > prominence and public exposure within this sim community, without
somebody
> > speaking up and reminding everyone that you are nothing but a "gamer" if
you
> > hotlap all the time, then new drivers to this sim community begin to
follow
> > false leaders.....the entire community suffers since the quality of
online
> > sim "racing" (notice I said "racing" not online sim "driving") declines.
> > 6. A question for the Insects: If we could somehow introduce the
ultimate
> > reality into sim racing......defined as creating culpability for
hotlapping
> > crashes (or any crash).......defined as physical injury and/or cost of
> > repair to your race car....how much interest would you continue to have
in
> > this "gaming activity" you engage in with a racing sim? This is easy to
do.
> > We could put a program on your boot drive that kicks in every time you
crash
> > your GPL race car (or any other sim car you drive)....it will
automatically
> > shut down your computer. Upon reboot, you will be required to enter a
> > credit card number, and $200 will be charged to your credit card....then
> > your computer will boot up back to the desktop and you can go run some
more
> > hot laps! How does that sound? Not very good, you say?
Well....real-world
> > racing has a similar "boot/crash" program.....its just not called the
same
> > thing, you know?
> > 7. In the face of crashing culpability as stated in number #6 above, if
an
> > "insect" continued this hotlapping activity, how long would it take for
> > everyone who knew him to call him an idiot! "Running up thousands and
> > thousands of dollars on his credit card so he could lower is PB at Monza
by
> > a 10th of a second".......that would not be considered sane and rational
> > behavior for any human being. So....let me ask all the "insects" this
> > question: "Is it the fact that you don't have to pay for all your
> > crashes.....is that your argument for saying that what you are doing is
sane
> > and rational?" I just want to make sure I understand your position on
this.
> > Because I want to remind you that although you don't have to pay for all
> > your crashes......"but we do" when you crash us out of an online race
> > because that's the only way you have practiced to race online.....you
> > practice crashing all the time, guess what: You are going to crash all
the
> > time! Duh! WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANY LONGER! Please get
offline,
> > go away, stop doing what you are doing....or find another "gaming
> > activity"....PLEASE!
> > **To all the rest of us....the non-Insects.............
> > 1. Can you guys imagine how good these guys would really be as sim
drivers
> > if they spent all that time they now spend learning to crash......on
> > learning race strategy, how to drive their cars in control and avoid
> > sticking their nose in the wrong place at the wrong time, how to "think
> > their way" to the podium and how to work on their setups to achieve car
> > stability in even the most "out of shape" situations that every race
puts us
> > into at one time or another? Can you imagine how hard they might be to
beat
> > at Monza (for example) if they spent several hundred laps practicing
driving
> > completely out of the racing line there (which is where we all find
> > ourselves for about 30% of every race we run....at any track)? Can you
> > imagine how good these guys would be with all that practice? Wow!
Isn't it
> > a shame we don't have these people to race against......that would be
great,
> > wouldn't it?
> > 2. Two days ago, a very prominent member of VROC and the GPL online
racing
> > community wrote an email to me in response to a question I asked him
about
> > how he practices in GPL. His name is "Mac"....I'm sure many of you know
> > him. Here is his response......
> > My goals in a GPL race (league race or pick up race....they are all
the
> > same to me....both equally important):
> > 1. Avoid car contact with another competitor at all costs.
> > 2. Finish the race (or in a no-damage race = finish without
going
> > off track).
> > 3. Practice hard between races so I can make it to the podium
> > without violating the goals in #1 and #2 above.
> > 3. If you want to improve online sim racing, stop bitching about it in
> > private chat rooms and email, and start speaking up against all this
> > prominence on hotlapping in this community.......publicly! I know you
don't
> > like doing that, most of you are conservative guys that shy away from
public
> > limelight. But, heck.....if you don't speak up......you are only
hurting
> > yourself in the end. I'm challenging you to end your silence and speak
up
> > about this issue when ever you have the chance.
> > Regards, (except to the Insects)
> > Tom Pabst
> > "Tom Pabst" <tmpa...@home.com> wrote in message
> > news:idjE7.9555$wj5.3531635@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com...
> > > **Rally Trophy Demo Bug Found**
> > > For all of you who have become distrustful of your manly-hood and
rally
> > > driving skills......trying to get from a 2:28-to-2:29 range down into
the
> > > 2:22-to-2:23 range where the "aliens" are running.........you've just
been
> > > vindicated! It is unfortunate however, that many of you have already
hung
> > > yourself or jumped out of 5th story window of your office building or
> > > apartment complex....in total frustration. May those of you who have
done
> > > that already..........."rest in peace!"
> > > To those of us who are left on this planet with us..........
> > > **Take note: A bug was found in the RT demo that invalidates any
stage
> > time
> > > much below 2:28 or so.......maybe even hire. Certainly, any time
turned
> > in
> > > well below that is completely bogus! Essentially what this means is,
if
> > you
> > > were running your well-driven stage runs at around the 2:28 to 2:29
range
> > or
> > > so.......that's your real time and you are a very good rally driver
(at
> > > least in RT you are). Those times are the same as the 2:22's and
2:23's
> > > others were getting, but their computers were reporting
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Which one of the fast GPL drivers crash out 9 out of 10 laps?
Give us names. I bet you can't.
Jon Andersen
Chris
--
"Racing! - Science for the action minded."
mark
It sounds like this guy is just ***y jealous or trying to justify his
crappiness by downing the guys like Huttu, Wilke who make this sim ***ing
great.
Theres always a bunch of tossers hiding in the corner bagging the *** out
of guys who are better than them. You remind me of 2 guys who have done the
same things as you.
Mark Beckman : Tosser who cant make tracks for shit, fugly pieces of
undrivable ***which look like some ***in retard put together, yet he
thinks they are works of art?. Smart ass who thinks he's king ***ing shit.
When someone disagrees he will argue his balls of at em till they just give
up in disgust.
SHUT UP FOO
Blade: I dunno this guys real name, but whoever the***is, he's king toss
pot. He goes around telling everyone that most of the people are ahead of
him are cheaters.
Tom , you have ranked up there with the greatest ***wits to ever grace the
sims, and i feel sorry for ya, no the hotlappers arent the insects, its
arrogant***roaches like you to do their best to put down the guys that
work hard for their success.
I mean you know your probably gonna be fired now for talking your shit, i
suppose its justice, because i dunno how anyone could employ such a
dimwitted***head like yourself into a business thats main target is
dedicated sim racers. Until your fired, i dont think your company will sell
anything. So i hope BRD read all of this and ***y fire you and make sure
you never work in the industry again.
Regards
Luke
Don't really know why I'm spending my time replying to this load
of drivel but what the heck.. >
Hotlapping, I hate this term, it does not exist in real life. It's
called Testing or Qualifying. To me, and I suspect most in the
GPL community it simply means training ones self or tweaking
ones setup to be able to drive faster.
The ONLY way to drive faster, above a certain level, is to drive
better. Better lines, better track usage, better "feel", higher
concentration.
Of course, as GPL is a game, and striving to go quicker and
quicker inevitably leads to learning to exploit deficiencies in the
physics model. But thats fine, it a game.
I'm sure the fastest guys in GPL realise this and that their talent
in GPL in no way makes them any better or even potentially
better in real life Motor Racing. At best it will give them a 2-3
days start at a race driving school. The fact that they have
learnt to concentrate very hard for x minutes/hours and have
learnt to look ahead and anticipate in a (albeit virtual) race
situation will help them when it come to racing in real-life.
I know you are fairly active in the real motor racing field
(not sure you've competed, but I know you have many contacts)
and perhaps you are not aware that this distinction exists.
You CAN compare people like Gregor Huttu to Schumacher
as they are amongst the very best at what they do. But that
would also be true for Gregor and whoever the World Tiddlywinks
Champion is or the top Quake Players.
Unfortunately, "driving" is such a big thing to the vast majority
of the male population and take it as deeply offensive if you
critisize their driving, almost above anything else. I think this does
leak into GPL where it would not in Quake for instance as we
don't have the same ego about how good we are at killing people.
I'm not sure who first came up with Alien as a term for an
exceptionally quick GPL player but it was purely meant as
a fun term. I don't think anyone look upon being called an
Alien as a badge of honour or some such.
I also accept that there may be a very few drivers who do
attempt to drive at 101%+ and crash more often than not in
search of those extra few 10ths. If thats how they get their
kicks then fine, I do agree this is no attitude to bring into a
race however and that there may be a few that do but I agree
with an earlier poster. It's not the "fast" guys that tend to do
this, or should I say JUST the fast guys. All speed levels of
driver are capable of trying to drive behiond their ability, it's
just that the "slower" guy will likley not be able to "save"
the mistake, whereas the faster guy, by virtue of his obvious
better car control will have more liklyhood of saving it. Also
more likelyhood of being able to race closely and in control.
I cannot conceive of any driver driving at less than 95%, to
me I'd rather be asleep or watching TV, there is no fun in
that. I link driving at 90% to concentrating at 90% and that
driver is a danger to himself and all around him.
1 in 30 could be considered fast and have potential, of those
about 1 in 10 will progress further than school/club races. Of those
(which is now 1 in 300) will likely get into Professional MotorSport
and maybe 1 in 10 of those will go on to have any major success
(i.e. win an International Championship).
Now, of course others who drop out may have eventually
learnt to go quick and achieve success but you need to make
your mark early or have lots of money to allow you to pay for
your extra learning time.
As an instructor though I do feel any driver can drive quickly
and safely given training and dedication and be able to compete
and have fun at club level.
>5. I will explain what you are doing to hurt sim racing (for at least the
>one millionth time in the last five years):
I know we are talking percentage here, so it's hard to quantify, but
in fact, this percentage rule is often use in MotorRacing. All the
professional drivers I've spoken to drive at 95%+ adn often at 99%.
100% is reserved for last laps or qualifying and would be very
difficult for all but the fittest driver to perform at for more than a
few laps.
There are cases, like endurance races, where you are given a target
lap time and/or have to be cautious with tires or a hot engine, fading
brakes etc. but driving at 2 secs below your PB is not driving at 90%
you are still driving IMO at 95%+ just that your priorities change.
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> >> And I think most of us who had online races with the aliens know most
> >> of them are very good and consistent drivers. To be able to drive such
> >> fast laptimes requires you to understand the car and its limits to the
> >> fullest.
> >How could you not understand the car and it's limits to the fullest if
you
> >have 2,000 hours behind the wheel of the same sim and driven a few
thousand
> >laps around the same track?
> >I think that's the point Tom is trying to make.
> >--
> >David G Fisher
> You think so David? Tom claims to have driven GPL since it's been out and
still
> can't break 33s at Monza. I've introduced people to GPL that have done
better
> in a single day. Either Toms a total bullshitter or a complete ***er
behind
> the wheel, and judging from his claim to never having lost a Monza race
I'd
> lean towards the former.
> --
> Don Scurlock
> Vancouver,B.C.
> GPLRank -15.04
> MonsterRank 91.57
> Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
If you've ever loaded an "alien" replay into the replay analyser, you
will find that it also includes the lap times of the other 100 odd
laps they did, all within a second of the "ultimate lucky lap" as you
put it. I was in awe of this talent when I saw it, you are obviously
just jealous.
Rafe Mc
<snip>
Totally agree Dave.
As an average GPL'er albeit a consistent one, I can lap after lap in the mid
1:05s to low 1:6s at the Glen, what has always staggered me is that the fast
guys are even more consistent than me running within a 10th or two lap after
lap, and of course a couple of seconds quicker.
Another poster suggested struggling to come to terms with others being
faster at GPL and other driving sims is, well a driving thing.
I admit I am ***at on-line Quake, UT. Even worse when my son thrashes me
at Fifa. Yet suggest I am a poor driver that is another thing. Well I guess
it is true, I am Mr average at driving sims.
I am a reasonable racer and if only the other guys would slow down a bit I
could prove it to them! No they are not going to slow down, cos they are in
their own race and they are simply in a differnt league to me and the vast
majority of racers. Watching these racers can be simply awesome, pumping in
lap after lap at speeds the rest of us cannot manage on a clear track,
whilst *racing* at close quarters.
Damn the internet. Without it we could have (or even be) our local heroes
(just like we had in rally & race clubs around the world). Yet here we
having to compare ourselves with the best in the World. So it is hardly
surprising even competent racers are outclassed. A bit like comparing your
local race club hero with the Schumachers & Montoyas of the real racing
scene.
The lesser mortals just need to be realistic & philosophical about it rather
than look for solace in classing the quick guys as aliens, insects or
hotlappers.
Tony
Try doing a search for the name "Tim McArther"+ "Pabst" at google groups to
find out what ths Pabst charicter is realy like.
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
He's a real nice guy too, ever heard the spitting image song "I've never met
a nice South African"
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
;-) he's a racist apartheid supporting sack of shit.
