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>Don't suddenly realise your wrong and use the double bluff. Just admit you
>meant it, everyone hates you, your a fool, you probably have no friends as
>they all left you as your such a self centred pompous self interested
>whining old nonce. Everyone uses your choice of words when backing out of a
>bad situation caused by ones lack of tack or ability to muzzle ones
>misguided views.

>This is one of the most deranged pieces of self involved gamesmenship ive
>seen for some time! I suggest a therapy session to realign the parts of your
>mind that are clearly at conflict with each other, at the moment insanity
>has a firm grip over reality.

>David Powell

>"""""""Chris...

>You know, when I was writing the original post, I was trying to write it in
>such a way as to come across as the biggest *** I could possibly manage
>to write like........so as to "stir the shit" and get some dialogue going
>again on this important issue.  I knew that people that knew me well would
>see through the words and know what I was doing.  I was even pissing me
>off.....lol.....as I was writing some of that stuff!  But, even though I was
>trying to be an ***, I didn't even come close to some of the
>posts/replies that were written.  Wow....!!  At least we know we still have
>some passionate people left in online racing and they all haven't just
>gotten fed up and quit.

>Tom"""""""""

>So, there are 4 'big' N4 leagues in Europe, and A/I lead all of them.

>        1.  Avoid car contact with another competitor at all costs.
>        2.  Finish the race (or in a no-damage race = finish without going
>off track).
>        3.  Practice hard between races so I can make it to the podium
>without violating the goals in #1 and #2 above.

>3.  If you want to improve online sim racing, stop ***ing about it in
>private chat rooms and email, and start speaking up against all this
>prominence on hotlapping in this community.......publicly!  I know you don't
>like doing that, most of you are conservative guys that shy away from public
>limelight.  But, heck.....if you don't speak up......you are only hurting
>yourself in the end.  I'm challenging you to end your silence and speak up
>about this issue when ever you have the chance.

>Regards, (except to the Insects)

>Which one of the fast GPL drivers crash out 9 out of 10 laps?

>Give us names. I bet you can't.

>Jon Andersen

> Where do I make reference anywhere in this string about racing at Monza?
I
> do recall a post I made....as a joke.....to somebody about 9 or 10 days
ago
> about their lap time at Monza.  Let me go find it and put the whole post
> below.............be right back.

> Okay, here it is:

> "I have been racing GPL for 3 years, ever since the day it came out.  I
have
> never run faster at Monza than a 1:33....not ever, not in a race, not in
> practice!  However, you don't win trophies for the fast lap, so who and
the
> hell cares?

> You win trophies for winning races.......period.

> While I've never run a lap faster than 1:33 at Monza, I've also NEVER been
> beaten at Monza in any online race I've ever run there!
> So, there....that proves my point I think?"  -10/25 on r.a.s.

> This post is in reference to a discussion about how long it took people to
> get under 1:30's at Monza...or something along those lines.  This post was
> in direct response to Andre and Eldred.....where I'm clearly kidding them.
> I'm always give these guys hard times about the issue "podiums verses
PB's"
> regarding a true measure of racing skills.  "....I've never been beaten at
> Monza"....though I can't run better than a 1:33!  My God people.....how
much
> more absurd would that sentence have to be for you to consider it being a
> joke?

> Give me a break!

> For a few days later, Andre used this to give me a hard time back
> (rightfully so...it was a good one)....by saying things in reference to
> something I would say, or a point I would make........Andre's response
would
> be something like, "Well, what do you know about "racing...or the
> topic".....a person who can't go faster than 1:33 at Monza!"  That was a
> good one Andre, you got me on it every time!

> Do you guys really think I was being serious...or that Andre was making a
> serious statement?

> Wow.....

> Tom

> PS:  Ok Andre....now you can really "get me." ....lol...  You can chime in
> here and say that you really were seriously thinking I couldn't run a
better
> lap at Monza than a 1:33...!!!  And, if you do....I shall kill you.
No...I
> will challenge you to a head-to-head competition at Monza.  You write down
> your best time at Monza and I'll write down mine....we'll both post them
> simultaneously on this newsgroup....and we'll just see who is really the
> fastest.  lol.......

> > >> And I think most of us who had online races with the aliens know most
> > >> of them are very good and consistent drivers. To be able to drive
such
> > >> fast laptimes requires you to understand the car and its limits to
the
> > >> fullest.

> > >How could you not understand the car and it's limits to the fullest if
> you
> > >have 2,000 hours behind the wheel of the same sim and driven a few
> thousand
> > >laps around the same track?

> > >I think that's the point Tom is trying to make.

> > >--
> > >David G Fisher

> > You think so David? Tom claims to have driven GPL since it's been out
and
> still
> > can't break 33s at Monza. I've introduced people to GPL that have done
> better
> > in a single day. Either Toms a total bullshitter or a complete ***er
> behind
> > the wheel, and judging from his claim to never having lost a Monza race
> I'd
> > lean towards the former.

> > --
> > Don Scurlock
> > Vancouver,B.C.

> > GPLRank      -15.04
> > MonsterRank  91.57

> > Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> In all due respect to you, but we've tried having "serious posts -
> constructive and well argued" discussions about this problem for more than
4
> years now......and what happens is that recently, the online racing
> veterans, like you....don't participate (there are a few exceptions).
And,
> the problem grows.....then subsides, then grows...then subsides.  I
remember
> a time that VROC was where all the serious drivers from N3 TEN were going
to
> escape all the "gamers, hotlappers and crashers" that migrated from the
> online Dega races on TEN......which expanded into the rest of the pick up
> races on TEN.  I remember racing on VROC for many months before I stopped
> running GPL......without have been crashed out of a single race...except
for
> errors I made.  I come back to GPL two months ago and what do I find?  Its
> worse than it ever was on TEN......geeeesh!  Jump over to N4 for some
escape
> and you find its so bad over there that Papyrus is now banning drivers on
> their servers for crashing people!  The gamers have gotten so blatant,
they
> do it openly now?

> Its been my observation that in the last four years I've been actively
> racing online, the quality of driving in open, public pickup races.....is
at
> an all-time low.  Where are all the top drivers that used to run pickup
> races many nights a week?  Where are the guys that would spend time with a
> newbie and help answer their questions, or take them into a track and show
> them the racing line?  These guys were fast....but they also provided
sound
> leadership to the newbie drivers to online racing.  That seems to be
> gone....and I believe it is partly responsible for the sad state of
affairs
> of online racing we now have.  Where have they gone?  Well, when I ask
that
> question in a serious way to those who should know, the answer is always
> something like, "Well, they are tired of the wreckers too....so they've
> withdrawn to their own small little groups and leagues and they don't run
> open pick up races any more....nor do they help newbies any more."

> What happens then when a new driver shows up on VROC, or on Sierra.com?
> They don't have the benefit of contact with the top level drivers.  They
> don't read their posts about how many hours they practice to be smooth and
> fast too, without crashing......or how many hours then spend working on a
> stable race set up.  All of that stuff leads to new drivers becoming good
> drivers.  What do they see?  They see all this emphasis on "PB's and
> hotlapping" and the only thing they see that other drivers (who these new
> guys think are the veteran drivers) seem to value is..."what's your lowest
> lap at a given track!"  So...these new drivers who want to be "recognized"
> too......go out on the net and download a whole bunch of setups, throw
them
> on their cars, in search of that perfect setup that will give them a PB at
a
> track that will be "like the fast guys"......and run lap after
> lap....crashing in 9 out of 10 of them (or so).....trying to set a good
PB!
> That is doing nothing but practicing how to crash!

> That...is at the core of what this whole string is about........and while
> its not the only reason for online racing reaching this low point.....its
> one of them.  If you don't agree with that, Maxx....then let me hear your
> reasoning for it.

> So, if I brought you out of your shell.....just for a short time.....thank
> you.  I hope you weren't too inconvenienced by your contributing a little
> bit back to this sport.

> Regards,

> Tom

> > >Chris...

> > >You know, when I was writing the original post, I was trying to write
it
> in
> > >such a way as to come across as the biggest *** I could possibly
> manage
> > >to write like.

> > Tom,

> > Congratulations, you did a fine job, I'm convinced.
> > Now, if you want any serious comment from me or anyone
> > else in r.a.s. or the rest of the GPL community then please
> > prove to us otherwise.

> > Do you really think this is a way to stir up constructive
> > comment? damn I'm glad I'm not involved in any Pabst
> > Racing Board Meetings guess you guys have a real hoot
> > though.

> > And, if you feel so strongly about this, why post here,
> > to a very limited audience, most of whom you seemed
> > to have rubbed up the wrong way before.

> > If you see theres a problem what are YOU doing about
> > it?

> > Sorry, I've had enough of this, it's taking up too much
> > of my time - guess if this was purely aimed at getting
> > some response it worked, it's not often I post here
> > these days and would much rather it would have been
> > against a constructive, well argued thread.

> > Maxx

> >Aliens/Insects of GPL that I'm aware of, in N4:
> >Huttu: leading 3 N4 series (Escors, Finnish N4 league, FFRL)
> >Ehnstr?m: leading ERL
> >Wilke: Second in ERL, Second in Escors.
> >W?ger: Sixth in Escors, Race winner in FFRL
> >Moses: Third in ERL, 3 wins.

> >So, there are 4 'big' N4 leagues in Europe, and A/I lead all of them.

> Good grief - these guys are fast no matter WHAT they drive...

> Eldred

> The only answer is : Don't troll.

> This thread served no purpose to our community, in retrospect.

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> Where do I make reference anywhere in this string about racing at Monza?
I
> do recall a post I made....as a joke.....to somebody about 9 or 10 days
ago
> about their lap time at Monza.  Let me go find it and put the whole post
> below.............be right back.

> Okay, here it is:

> "I have been racing GPL for 3 years, ever since the day it came out.  I
have
> never run faster at Monza than a 1:33....not ever, not in a race, not in
> practice!  However, you don't win trophies for the fast lap, so who and
the
> hell cares?

> You win trophies for winning races.......period.

> While I've never run a lap faster than 1:33 at Monza, I've also NEVER been
> beaten at Monza in any online race I've ever run there!
> So, there....that proves my point I think?"  -10/25 on r.a.s.

> This post is in reference to a discussion about how long it took people to
> get under 1:30's at Monza...or something along those lines.  This post was
> in direct response to Andre and Eldred.....where I'm clearly kidding them.
> I'm always give these guys hard times about the issue "podiums verses
PB's"
> regarding a true measure of racing skills.  "....I've never been beaten at
> Monza"....though I can't run better than a 1:33!  My God people.....how
much
> more absurd would that sentence have to be for you to consider it being a
> joke?

> Give me a break!

> For a few days later, Andre used this to give me a hard time back
> (rightfully so...it was a good one)....by saying things in reference to
> something I would say, or a point I would make........Andre's response
would
> be something like, "Well, what do you know about "racing...or the
> topic".....a person who can't go faster than 1:33 at Monza!"  That was a
> good one Andre, you got me on it every time!

> Do you guys really think I was being serious...or that Andre was making a
> serious statement?

> Wow.....

> Tom

> PS:  Ok Andre....now you can really "get me." ....lol...  You can chime in
> here and say that you really were seriously thinking I couldn't run a
better
> lap at Monza than a 1:33...!!!  And, if you do....I shall kill you.
No...I
> will challenge you to a head-to-head competition at Monza.  You write down
> your best time at Monza and I'll write down mine....we'll both post them
> simultaneously on this newsgroup....and we'll just see who is really the
> fastest.  lol.......

> > >> And I think most of us who had online races with the aliens know most
> > >> of them are very good and consistent drivers. To be able to drive
such
> > >> fast laptimes requires you to understand the car and its limits to
the
> > >> fullest.

> > >How could you not understand the car and it's limits to the fullest if
> you
> > >have 2,000 hours behind the wheel of the same sim and driven a few
> thousand
> > >laps around the same track?

> > >I think that's the point Tom is trying to make.

> > >--
> > >David G Fisher

> > You think so David? Tom claims to have driven GPL since it's been out
and
> still
> > can't break 33s at Monza. I've introduced people to GPL that have done
> better
> > in a single day. Either Toms a total bullshitter or a complete ***er
> behind
> > the wheel, and judging from his claim to never having lost a Monza race
> I'd
> > lean towards the former.

> > --
> > Don Scurlock
> > Vancouver,B.C.

> > GPLRank      -15.04
> > MonsterRank  91.57

> > Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>>Aliens/Insects of GPL that I'm aware of, in N4:
>>Huttu: leading 3 N4 series (Escors, Finnish N4 league, FFRL)
>>Ehnstr?m: leading ERL
>>Wilke: Second in ERL, Second in Escors.
>>W?ger: Sixth in Escors, Race winner in FFRL
>>Moses: Third in ERL, 3 wins.

>>So, there are 4 'big' N4 leagues in Europe, and A/I lead all of them.

>Good grief - these guys are fast no matter WHAT they drive...