grrrr!!! how many times have u been on vroc recently ???... the help
(in running races and general driving help) is better than it was 1 1/2 yrs
ago when i started online. When i first started, only the help of Bowt
nettertodo stopped me from giving it up because i didnt know what to do and
no-one would help me. Now 10 ppl would jump in with a chance to help
(recently lots of non-english speakers have needed more help and vroc isnt
really ready to recieve them, ive had to sit there a few times when someone
said 'please help' in a language i dont understand and i just cant help
them) From all the ppl who are here to help, (and yes...im that sad,
sometimes i log onto vroc just to help out or goto a server with a newbie to
help em with some stuff) i think u have no clue.
Basically the world of gpl has got a lot faster in the last 2 yrs, i
think this is your prob, nothing else. The level of help and support is much
higher than it was. And the level of driving is MUCH higher, in terms of
laptimes and racecraft .. if u think the faster racers have lost racecraft
to get speed u are sorely and obviously mistaken.
please get better at gpl before we all suffer
dan leach
> Maxx....
> In all due respect to you, but we've tried having "serious posts -
> constructive and well argued" discussions about this problem for more than
4
> years now......and what happens is that recently, the online racing
> veterans, like you....don't participate (there are a few exceptions).
And,
> the problem grows.....then subsides, then grows...then subsides. I
remember
> a time that VROC was where all the serious drivers from N3 TEN were going
to
> escape all the "gamers, hotlappers and crashers" that migrated from the
> online Dega races on TEN......which expanded into the rest of the pick up
> races on TEN. I remember racing on VROC for many months before I stopped
> running GPL......without have been crashed out of a single race...except
for
> errors I made. I come back to GPL two months ago and what do I find? Its
> worse than it ever was on TEN......geeeesh! Jump over to N4 for some
escape
> and you find its so bad over there that Papyrus is now banning drivers on
> their servers for crashing people! The gamers have gotten so blatant,
they
> do it openly now?
> Its been my observation that in the last four years I've been actively
> racing online, the quality of driving in open, public pickup races.....is
at
> an all-time low. Where are all the top drivers that used to run pickup
> races many nights a week? Where are the guys that would spend time with a
> newbie and help answer their questions, or take them into a track and show
> them the racing line? These guys were fast....but they also provided
sound
> leadership to the newbie drivers to online racing. That seems to be
> gone....and I believe it is partly responsible for the sad state of
affairs
> of online racing we now have. Where have they gone? Well, when I ask
that
> question in a serious way to those who should know, the answer is always
> something like, "Well, they are tired of the wreckers too....so they've
> withdrawn to their own small little groups and leagues and they don't run
> open pick up races any more....nor do they help newbies any more."
> What happens then when a new driver shows up on VROC, or on Sierra.com?
> They don't have the benefit of contact with the top level drivers. They
> don't read their posts about how many hours they practice to be smooth and
> fast too, without crashing......or how many hours then spend working on a
> stable race set up. All of that stuff leads to new drivers becoming good
> drivers. What do they see? They see all this emphasis on "PB's and
> hotlapping" and the only thing they see that other drivers (who these new
> guys think are the veteran drivers) seem to value is..."what's your lowest
> lap at a given track!" So...these new drivers who want to be "recognized"
> too......go out on the net and download a whole bunch of setups, throw
them
> on their cars, in search of that perfect setup that will give them a PB at
a
> track that will be "like the fast guys"......and run lap after
> lap....crashing in 9 out of 10 of them (or so).....trying to set a good
PB!
> That is doing nothing but practicing how to crash!
> That...is at the core of what this whole string is about........and while
> its not the only reason for online racing reaching this low point.....its
> one of them. If you don't agree with that, Maxx....then let me hear your
> reasoning for it.
> So, if I brought you out of your shell.....just for a short time.....thank
> you. I hope you weren't too inconvenienced by your contributing a little
> bit back to this sport.
> Regards,
> Tom
> > >Chris...
> > >You know, when I was writing the original post, I was trying to write
it
> in
> > >such a way as to come across as the biggest *** I could possibly
> manage
> > >to write like.
> > Tom,
> > Congratulations, you did a fine job, I'm convinced.
> > Now, if you want any serious comment from me or anyone
> > else in r.a.s. or the rest of the GPL community then please
> > prove to us otherwise.
> > Do you really think this is a way to stir up constructive
> > comment? damn I'm glad I'm not involved in any Pabst
> > Racing Board Meetings guess you guys have a real hoot
> > though.
> > And, if you feel so strongly about this, why post here,
> > to a very limited audience, most of whom you seemed
> > to have rubbed up the wrong way before.
> > If you see theres a problem what are YOU doing about
> > it?
> > Sorry, I've had enough of this, it's taking up too much
> > of my time - guess if this was purely aimed at getting
> > some response it worked, it's not often I post here
> > these days and would much rather it would have been
> > against a constructive, well argued thread.
> > Maxx
