So, you can give us at least 36 drivers who are good hot-lappers and
good racers yet not one insect. If these 36 are the exception then I'd
expect you to be able to name at least 100 insects.
Maxx
So, you can give us at least 36 drivers who are good hot-lappers and
good racers yet not one insect. If these 36 are the exception then I'd
expect you to be able to name at least 100 insects.
Maxx
Please don't lower yourself to his level. Saying he's an apartheid
supporting racist makes you just as bad as him when he says hotlappers have
got anthrax at their arms.
At the Legends Central-Forum someone has a signature that goes like this;'An
idiot will drag you down to his level and beat you on experience'. (or
something equal to that). So.. don't go there:)
My 2 cents,
Svend
> > Who in the FARK is this tom or whoever he is.
> Try doing a search for the name "Tim McArther"+ "Pabst" at google groups
to
> find out what ths Pabst charicter is realy like.
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > I mean what kind of pin*** would come on and write some dribble out of
> his
> > arse saying how ***and inconsistant the fast guys are when he cant
even
> > break a 1.32 at monza HA!!
> > It sounds like this guy is just ***y jealous or trying to justify his
> > crappiness by downing the guys like Huttu, Wilke who make this sim
***ing
> > great.
> > Theres always a bunch of tossers hiding in the corner bagging the ***
out
> > of guys who are better than them. You remind me of 2 guys who have done
> the
> > same things as you.
> > Mark Beckman : Tosser who cant make tracks for shit, fugly pieces of
> > undrivable ***which look like some ***in retard put together, yet he
> > thinks they are works of art?. Smart ass who thinks he's king ***ing
> shit.
> > When someone disagrees he will argue his balls of at em till they just
> give
> > up in disgust.
> > SHUT UP FOO
> > Blade: I dunno this guys real name, but whoever the***is, he's king
> toss
> > pot. He goes around telling everyone that most of the people are ahead
of
> > him are cheaters.
> He's a real nice guy too, ever heard the spitting image song "I've never
met
> a nice South African"
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> ;-) he's a racist apartheid supporting sack of shit.
> > Tom , you have ranked up there with the greatest ***wits to ever grace
> the
> > sims, and i feel sorry for ya, no the hotlappers arent the insects, its
> > arrogant***roaches like you to do their best to put down the guys that
> > work hard for their success.
> > I mean you know your probably gonna be fired now for talking your shit,
i
> > suppose its justice, because i dunno how anyone could employ such a
> > dimwitted***head like yourself into a business thats main target is
> > dedicated sim racers. Until your fired, i dont think your company will
> sell
> > anything. So i hope BRD read all of this and ***y fire you and make
sure
> > you never work in the industry again.
> > Regards
> > Luke
> Well said,
> Alex
>In all due respect to you, but we've tried having "serious posts -
>constructive and well argued" discussions about this problem for more than 4
>years now......and what happens is that recently, the online racing
>veterans, like you....don't participate (there are a few exceptions).
I agree with Dave P, a much more readable and constructive post.
I'm no online racing veteran, it's just over 12 months since my first
online race ever (apart from a few with Rallymasters). I've only had
GPL for 17months and only been active on r.a.s. for 18months (this
is where I found out about GPL).
So maybe my comments aren't as informed as others who have been
into online racing for many years.
I will say that I perhaps came into this as a realist and as a person
who respects everyones right to do as they wish with the product
they have bought. Because I respect their rights doesn't mean I
waive the right to complain about them on an individual basis but
I don't feel I can tell them what to do, I instead would try adn avoid
them.
I am I suppose very insulated from some of what you describe as I've
never done a pickup race. I don't even drive the F1 cars these days
as the leagues I am in are F2/FD and that all I have time for. I'm not
saying there isn't a problem but I think you are attacking the wrong
people, in the wrong way and in the wrong place.
I do still check r.a.s. daily and do occasionally contribute where I
feel I have something valid to say or if I see something which I
strongly object to. I only recal one previous post by you on this
subject in the last 18months but accept I may have missed a
couple or not felt motivated to get involved.
The reason I got involved this time was purely the tone of
the original post and what I thought were total inacuracies of
the highest order. It was the tone adn innacuracies I responded
to, not what you perceived as the problem. It doesn't effect me,
nor the dozens of GPL buddies I have. I think it will always be
there but that there are enough methods available to avoid it
if you wish.
If I was motivated to try adn dela with the subkect I would not
(solely) post here but to the main GPL forums at GPLEA and HG
and I wouldn't even begin unless I had a well reasoned argument
with some positive ideas on how we can address the problem for
those who don't know it exists or how to avoid it
Calling most hot-lappers insects and telling them to keep out of
VROC is just not an option and I can't see howe you ever intended
to create a useful discussion with that approach (although you have
maybe reached a wider audience).
The problem is a combination of bad driving mixed in with a bit
of bad attitude, fast or slow. I do my bit for the former having
helped 100s (maybe even 1000s) with the GPLEGS package
drive "better" and many of those personally via email and replays
etc. which I still do a number of times each week.
I perhaps am more inclined to respond to the wider audience
in the GPLEA forum than here although if I ever see a post from
a driver who wants to improve I'll invariable chip in.
If we have a problem it is that many newer, perhaps slower drivers
don't feel able to join clubs or leagues as they fear they are not
"up to it", instead they try and mingle into online pickup races
and may be unlucky enough to have the same sort of experiences
as you seem to have which MAY put them off or mould them into
a less carefull/respectfull driver.
I/We do try to get these people involved in league/club racing
and try and steer them away from the most likely trouble-spots, say
Monza pickup races.
The very best training ground for all drivers of any speed level
or experience is the vroc-f2 club. I've seen dozens of drivers start
in that club (which is not a league and runs informal F2 races)
to find their feet and go on to other leages, F1/F2/FD/FV/FG/F3
with the right attitude and with good racing skills honed in this
friendly and nurturing environment.
This is where you'll also find the very fastest F2/FD drivers still
competing, taking the slowest cars, waiting for the guy who had
slid off while chasing you so you can resume the chase, having
the utmost respect for fellow drivers and spending much time
offering advice/setups/sample replays etc. to help everyone
on.
This is why my view of online GPL is so vastly different from
yours.
>What happens then when a new driver shows up on VROC, or on Sierra.com?
>They don't have the benefit of contact with the top level drivers. They
>don't read their posts about how many hours they practice to be smooth and
>fast too, without crashing......or how many hours then spend working on a
>stable race set up. All of that stuff leads to new drivers becoming good
>drivers. What do they see? They see all this emphasis on "PB's and
>hotlapping" and the only thing they see that other drivers (who these new
>guys think are the veteran drivers) seem to value is..."what's your lowest
>lap at a given track!" So...these new drivers who want to be "recognized"
>too......go out on the net and download a whole bunch of setups, throw them
>on their cars, in search of that perfect setup that will give them a PB at a
>track that will be "like the fast guys"......and run lap after
>lap....crashing in 9 out of 10 of them (or so).....trying to set a good PB!
>That is doing nothing but practicing how to crash!
Unless there is an alternative method of gauging a drivers
performance we are stuck with the stop-watch. I do look closely
at GPLRA exports for good consistency and will always praise
a driver who has done particularly well in that regard. I have also
long advocated points for this in the same way as you get for
Fastest Laps.
But I do gauge my own performance by the stop-watch and
invariably if it's a quicker lap, it's a better driven lap. Yes, maybe
I've had a few lucky ones early on and if GPL kept an average
lap time for my best 5 laps ever I'd pay m,uch more attention to
that.
If your driving around crashing more than 1 lap in 5 whilst
PRACTICING TECHNIQUE then it's a bit too much but GPL
allows crash without penalty so it allows you to be more adventurous
in your testing approach. If your just driving round and round hoping
for a quick one, crashing 1 in 5 or more then your just behaving
stupidly but hey, it's your call.
I thnk what this teaches you is that to go fast you need to be on
the knife edge all the time which is bad for you and for the others
that race with you.
If your crashing in races all by yourself then your either driving
above your ability or are not concentrating. I think the former
is again a result of thinking that you need to be on the edge
all the time. My 100% driving is not driving on a knife edge for
lap after lap, it's just 100% concentration on driving up to 100%
of what I feel is relavant in the circumstance. It just so happens
that that is about the same pace as I drive all the time, and often
a little quicker as I pull on all my reserves of concentration in a
race situation.
If we need to do anything at all it's to try and direct newer drivers
to safe and helpful palces to start their online racing. I and many
others are doing that already, all
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Legends Central, huh? :-)
Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
GPLRank - under construction...
Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
Mick Brown:
Sorry to drag this topic back to a more serious note but I've got to ask
Blade this:
Reading your posts I get the impression that you had no reservations about
the apartheid system your government ran. Am I correct?
I'm speaking as a liberal, an environmentalist AND a realist.
Mick
Blade:
None whatsoever.
I rest my case, I would never call eveyone of South Africa nationality
racist I've met some South Africans and they were very nice, the song is
just a joke. But this bloke by his own admision does support apartheid, so
in my oppinion he is a racist sack of shit. I know it's got nothing to do
with smirching but I've got no time for anybody with oppinions like that
anywhere.
Alex
> Please don't lower yourself to his level. Saying he's an apartheid
> supporting racist makes you just as bad as him when he says hotlappers
have
> got anthrax at their arms.
> At the Legends Central-Forum someone has a signature that goes like
this;'An
> idiot will drag you down to his level and beat you on experience'. (or
> something equal to that). So.. don't go there:)
> My 2 cents,
> Svend
> > > Who in the FARK is this tom or whoever he is.
> > Try doing a search for the name "Tim McArther"+ "Pabst" at google groups
> to
> > find out what ths Pabst charicter is realy like.
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > > I mean what kind of pin*** would come on and write some dribble out
of
> > his
> > > arse saying how ***and inconsistant the fast guys are when he cant
> even
> > > break a 1.32 at monza HA!!
> > > It sounds like this guy is just ***y jealous or trying to justify
his
> > > crappiness by downing the guys like Huttu, Wilke who make this sim
> ***ing
> > > great.
> > > Theres always a bunch of tossers hiding in the corner bagging the ***
> out
> > > of guys who are better than them. You remind me of 2 guys who have
done
> > the
> > > same things as you.
> > > Mark Beckman : Tosser who cant make tracks for shit, fugly pieces of
> > > undrivable ***which look like some ***in retard put together, yet
he
> > > thinks they are works of art?. Smart ass who thinks he's king ***ing
> > shit.
> > > When someone disagrees he will argue his balls of at em till they just
> > give
> > > up in disgust.
> > > SHUT UP FOO
> > > Blade: I dunno this guys real name, but whoever the***is, he's king
> > toss
> > > pot. He goes around telling everyone that most of the people are ahead
> of
> > > him are cheaters.
> > He's a real nice guy too, ever heard the spitting image song "I've never
> met
> > a nice South African"
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > ;-) he's a racist apartheid supporting sack of shit.
> > > Tom , you have ranked up there with the greatest ***wits to ever
grace
> > the
> > > sims, and i feel sorry for ya, no the hotlappers arent the insects,
its
> > > arrogant***roaches like you to do their best to put down the guys
that
> > > work hard for their success.
> > > I mean you know your probably gonna be fired now for talking your
shit,
> i
> > > suppose its justice, because i dunno how anyone could employ such a
> > > dimwitted***head like yourself into a business thats main target is
> > > dedicated sim racers. Until your fired, i dont think your company will
> > sell
> > > anything. So i hope BRD read all of this and ***y fire you and make
> sure
> > > you never work in the industry again.
> > > Regards
> > > Luke
> > Well said,
> > Alex
>>At the Legends Central-Forum someone has a signature that goes like this;'An
>>idiot will drag you down to his level and beat you on experience'. (or
>>something equal to that). So.. don't go there:)
>Legends Central, huh? :-)
Andre
How about........ ***ed......obsessive.......compulsives.......... who
need to get out in the sun once in awhile?
David G Fisher (hoping he's poking Andre in the ribs with this post)
I think any *** who plays the same game for as long as Alex and then
thinks he's actually accomplished something needs to be studied by a team of
psychiatrists at a major European clinic.
Maybe he and the other GPL backslappers could get a group "home" and "play"
with each other all day, every day.
David G Fisher
> TP
> > From what I've read from and about you on r.a.s I thought you were a
> little
> > strange. Now I'm convinced you need some psychiatric help, maybe you and
> DGF
> > could get together for a group session.
> > <snip>
> >PS: Ok Andre....now you can really "get me." ....lol... You can chime in
> >here and say that you really were seriously thinking I couldn't run a better
> >lap at Monza than a 1:33...!!! And, if you do....I shall kill you. No...I
> >will challenge you to a head-to-head competition at Monza. You write down
> >your best time at Monza and I'll write down mine....we'll both post them
> >simultaneously on this newsgroup....and we'll just see who is really the
> >fastest. lol.......
> First, I'm the wrong guy to challenge, I'm not an alien. And it's the
> aliens that can't run 2 laps in a row without crashing right? You
> can't prove your ridiculous points with one race against one person
> where you can still win with sheer luck. The only way to prove your
> point is to join MOG, in the same division as Wilke, Huttu and the
> other aliens, and see how well you do there. If you are right, you
> should win MOG easily right? Full distance races on pro damage against
> the aliens, should be easy for you since all the aliens will crash on
> the first lap.
> But lol, I'll go along with your ***:) More than a year ago you
> asked me to race you and some Sears instructors online on the Sears
> track in GPL. I accepted immediately, looked forward to race against a
> couple of guys with the same passion for racing as I have, but
> unfortunately you never got back on it allthough I mailed you a couple
> of times about it.
> Let's make it a fun race instead of a wussie Monza race.
> Full distance race on the Ring, full damage.
> And let's invite some aliens too! If you agree, I'll ask Huttu, Wilke
> and the rest of those Verstappen-wannabe's if they will join us.
> Dave Powell, Marc Royal, how about it guys?
> With all these corners surely no alien will be able to finish a single
> lap, right!
> PS I will tell you a small secret: The aliens drive 7:50 laps on the
> Ring, so that can take it -really- easy, while you and I have to drive
> our ass off to avoid finishing 5 laps down. That's the whole point of
> this ridiculous discussion.. and you know damn good you're wrong.
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke"
--Groucho Marx--
Cheers!
Jan Kohl
The Pits - http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > >PS: Ok Andre....now you can really "get me." ....lol... You can chime
in
> > >here and say that you really were seriously thinking I couldn't run a
better
> > >lap at Monza than a 1:33...!!! And, if you do....I shall kill you.
No...I
> > >will challenge you to a head-to-head competition at Monza. You write
down
> > >your best time at Monza and I'll write down mine....we'll both post
them
> > >simultaneously on this newsgroup....and we'll just see who is really
the
> > >fastest. lol.......
> > First, I'm the wrong guy to challenge, I'm not an alien. And it's the
> > aliens that can't run 2 laps in a row without crashing right? You
> > can't prove your ridiculous points with one race against one person
> > where you can still win with sheer luck. The only way to prove your
> > point is to join MOG, in the same division as Wilke, Huttu and the
> > other aliens, and see how well you do there. If you are right, you
> > should win MOG easily right? Full distance races on pro damage against
> > the aliens, should be easy for you since all the aliens will crash on
> > the first lap.
> > But lol, I'll go along with your ***:) More than a year ago you
> > asked me to race you and some Sears instructors online on the Sears
> > track in GPL. I accepted immediately, looked forward to race against a
> > couple of guys with the same passion for racing as I have, but
> > unfortunately you never got back on it allthough I mailed you a couple
> > of times about it.
> > Let's make it a fun race instead of a wussie Monza race.
> > Full distance race on the Ring, full damage.
> > And let's invite some aliens too! If you agree, I'll ask Huttu, Wilke
> > and the rest of those Verstappen-wannabe's if they will join us.
> > Dave Powell, Marc Royal, how about it guys?
> > With all these corners surely no alien will be able to finish a single
> > lap, right!
> > PS I will tell you a small secret: The aliens drive 7:50 laps on the
> > Ring, so that can take it -really- easy, while you and I have to drive
> > our ass off to avoid finishing 5 laps down. That's the whole point of
> > this ridiculous discussion.. and you know damn good you're wrong.
> I know you meant to include me in your invitation there Andre, but I'm
> sorry, I don't have time......got to wash my hair, or something, ok,
> well, maybe it was something else then, but I know I'm busy that day...
> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> "A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke"
> --Groucho Marx--
> No, Goy, he did not say The Ring in NASCAR 4... ;]
Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
http://www.theuspits.com
http://www.teammirage.com
"A woman is an occasional pleasure but a cigar is always a smoke"
--Groucho Marx--
Jan.(I want in on this!! ;-))
=---
"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.
Andre