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F1 2001 - first impressions!?!

Iain Mackenzi

F1 2001 - first impressions!?!

by Iain Mackenzi » Sun, 07 Oct 2001 02:08:04

Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor!

1)  Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a
scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees!

2)  Graphics are very poor.  Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly

EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels
like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds.

3)  Control seems to be almost nil.  My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying
several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back end
comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just
causes instability.  There is no feeling of being in touch with the car at
all.

4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over any
button.

5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish
each time.  Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in
any way competitively for previous reasons.

6) Mirrors don't work at all!

7) There is no FF!  Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no
excuse for this.  They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from F1CS.

8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it
unplayable.

I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I
have only scratched the surface.  God knows what else I'll find.  If things
don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back.

GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to worry
about from F1 2001.

Shall we wait for the patch?

(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM)

Iain

Sean

F1 2001 - first impressions!?!

by Sean » Sun, 07 Oct 2001 02:35:51

Hey, just picked it up, and it least your wheel WORKS.  Even though I have a
old cheap wheel (Wingman Formula GP) it won't recognize my gas paddle,
unless I don't assign any settings then my gas is always on.  If there isn't
some fix soon, I believe mine's going back as well.


> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor!

> 1)  Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a
> scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees!

> 2)  Graphics are very poor.  Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly

> EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels
> like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds.

> 3)  Control seems to be almost nil.  My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying
> several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back
end
> comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just
> causes instability.  There is no feeling of being in touch with the car at
> all.

> 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over
any
> button.

> 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish
> each time.  Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in
> any way competitively for previous reasons.

> 6) Mirrors don't work at all!

> 7) There is no FF!  Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no
> excuse for this.  They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from
F1CS.

> 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it
> unplayable.

> I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I
> have only scratched the surface.  God knows what else I'll find.  If
things
> don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back.

> GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to
worry
> about from F1 2001.

> Shall we wait for the patch?

> (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM)

> Iain

Stephen Smit

F1 2001 - first impressions!?!

by Stephen Smit » Sun, 07 Oct 2001 02:59:18

Iain,

Try going backwards on yer drivers.  The 21.xx Dets are more for the GF3 (a
GF2 Pro should kick major gluts w. this game).  I've heard of good results
w. F1 2001 & 7.52, 7.58, 8.04 & 12.41 Dets.

--Steve Smith


> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor!

> 1)  Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a
> scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees!

> 2)  Graphics are very poor.  Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly

> EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels
> like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds.

> 3)  Control seems to be almost nil.  My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying
> several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back
end
> comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just
> causes instability.  There is no feeling of being in touch with the car at
> all.

> 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over
any
> button.

> 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish
> each time.  Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in
> any way competitively for previous reasons.

> 6) Mirrors don't work at all!

> 7) There is no FF!  Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no
> excuse for this.  They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from
F1CS.

> 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it
> unplayable.

> I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I
> have only scratched the surface.  God knows what else I'll find.  If
things
> don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back.

> GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to
worry
> about from F1 2001.

> Shall we wait for the patch?

> (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM)

> Iain

Peter Fisl

F1 2001 - first impressions!?!

by Peter Fisl » Sun, 07 Oct 2001 03:03:39


> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor!

> 1)  Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a
> scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees!

> 2)  Graphics are very poor.  Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly

> EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels
> like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds.

> 3)  Control seems to be almost nil.  My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying
> several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back end
> comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just
> causes instability.  There is no feeling of being in touch with the car at
> all.

> 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over any
> button.

> 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish
> each time.  Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in
> any way competitively for previous reasons.

> 6) Mirrors don't work at all!

> 7) There is no FF!  Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no
> excuse for this.  They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from F1CS.

> 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it
> unplayable.

> I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I
> have only scratched the surface.  God knows what else I'll find.  If things
> don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back.

> GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to worry
> about from F1 2001.

> Shall we wait for the patch?

> (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM)

> Iain

Hi Iain,

That's not a good news. I don't race GP3 anymore because I can't get it configure resolutions
for my Elsa Gladiac Ultra (I'm running P3 500 on Win2K (SP2), 21.81 Detonator, Dx8a)
I was hoping until GP4 shows up that I could live with F1 2001 don't tell me it's like F1 2000...
how is the graphics compared to F1 2000 ? Car handeling ? How is AI compared to F1 2000
(F1 2000 AI = What AI ? I haven't anything remotly that looks like AI)

Peter

Rob Adam

F1 2001 - first impressions!?!

by Rob Adam » Sun, 07 Oct 2001 03:06:30

God, not again! Colin McRae 2 had the same issue - it didn't like the most
recent Voodoo 3 drivers, and customer support recommended going back one. So
I just didn't buy it until I upgraded my PC to a GeForce card.

I said it then and I'll say it now: I am NOT going to downgrade video
drivers to run one specific game when all the other games on my HD run
BETTER with the new drivers than with the old. I just won't buy that
specific game. Developers who blame it on the driver should talk to the 20
other development houses whose games work fine. It's not the driver's fault.


Sander vs Evi

F1 2001 - first impressions!?!

by Sander vs Evi » Sun, 07 Oct 2001 03:03:02

"Iain Mackenzie"

I agree.

> 2)  Graphics are very poor.  Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly

> EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels
> like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds.

Framerate is OK but sometimes it does give some strange feeling when driving
over a straight.

all.

I agree.

The menu's suck BIGtime! Have you tried typing? On a multiplayer-game, try
chat. You allmost have to press the key through the table in order to get it
onto the screen!

No probs here.

No probs here.

F1CS.

Damn EA, I LOVE FF!!!

No probs here

I expected a lot from this game but I am very, very disappointed...

--
Sander vs Evil
" When You've Got Nothing You've Got Nothing To Lose! "

John Johnso

F1 2001 - first impressions!?!

by John Johnso » Sun, 07 Oct 2001 03:20:07

You said everything i wanted to say.

I spent an hour trying to get mirrors to work.

Only hope time will improve things I usually hate a new sim the first time I
try it.

I think the physics are spot on but the controler input just does not seem
right.

Just a few early immpresions dont want to say to much more just yet

J.Johnson

Zoltan Baraba

F1 2001 - first impressions!?!

by Zoltan Baraba » Sun, 07 Oct 2001 04:07:40

amen to that.
tunnel visioned developers with one thing in sight....$$
Zoltan Baraba

F1 2001 - first impressions!?!

by Zoltan Baraba » Sun, 07 Oct 2001 04:09:37

I
try it.

strange...sims like GPL, N4, N3, Viper...were all sims that i LOVED first
go...

Stephen Smit

F1 2001 - first impressions!?!

by Stephen Smit » Sun, 07 Oct 2001 04:27:28

Jeez, nVidea seems to have done a pretty good job of getting Detonators to
work w. everything from ancient TNTs to GF3s; dozens of cards in all.  The
very latest drivers are meant more for the GF3s, so small wonder the older
cards aren't happy.  Big deal.  I just want my video card to work; I don't
care with which drivers.


> God, not again! Colin McRae 2 had the same issue - it didn't like the most
> recent Voodoo 3 drivers, and customer support recommended going back one.
So
> I just didn't buy it until I upgraded my PC to a GeForce card.

> I said it then and I'll say it now: I am NOT going to downgrade video
> drivers to run one specific game when all the other games on my HD run
> BETTER with the new drivers than with the old. I just won't buy that
> specific game. Developers who blame it on the driver should talk to the 20
> other development houses whose games work fine. It's not the driver's
fault.



> > Iain,

> > Try going backwards on yer drivers.  The 21.xx Dets are more for the GF3
> (a
> > GF2 Pro should kick major gluts w. this game).  I've heard of good
results
> > w. F1 2001 & 7.52, 7.58, 8.04 & 12.41 Dets.

> > --Steve Smith

Thomas Heinema

F1 2001 - first impressions!?!

by Thomas Heinema » Sun, 07 Oct 2001 04:26:29

What planet are you from?

Thomas



> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor!

> 1)  Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a
> scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees!

> 2)  Graphics are very poor.  Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly

> EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels
> like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds.

> 3)  Control seems to be almost nil.  My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying
> several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back
end
> comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just
> causes instability.  There is no feeling of being in touch with the car at
> all.

> 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over
any
> button.

> 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish
> each time.  Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in
> any way competitively for previous reasons.

> 6) Mirrors don't work at all!

> 7) There is no FF!  Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no
> excuse for this.  They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from
F1CS.

> 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it
> unplayable.

> I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I
> have only scratched the surface.  God knows what else I'll find.  If
things
> don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back.

> GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to
worry
> about from F1 2001.

> Shall we wait for the patch?

> (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM)

> Iain

JM

F1 2001 - first impressions!?!

by JM » Sun, 07 Oct 2001 04:27:45


As far as I can tell he downgraded his drivers when he installed the 20.XX
versions, being a completely pointless exercise in itself!

cheers
John

John Bod

F1 2001 - first impressions!?!

by John Bod » Sun, 07 Oct 2001 04:49:42

For better video performance, try running in windowed mode -- set the
parameter in the config.ini file to "1" (instead of "0").  This is a
known problem with newer Detonator drivers.

You might also want to visit the High Gear forums -- a LOT of people
over there disagree with most of your assessment, it seems, including
a lot of F1RC, GP3, and GPL fans.

-- JB

On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"


>Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor!

>1)  Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like a
>scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees!

>2)  Graphics are very poor.  Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and overly

>EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels
>like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds.

>3)  Control seems to be almost nil.  My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying
>several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back end
>comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just
>causes instability.  There is no feeling of being in touch with the car at
>all.

>4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over any
>button.

>5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish
>each time.  Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race in
>any way competitively for previous reasons.

>6) Mirrors don't work at all!

>7) There is no FF!  Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no
>excuse for this.  They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from F1CS.

>8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it
>unplayable.

>I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I
>have only scratched the surface.  God knows what else I'll find.  If things
>don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back.

>GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to worry
>about from F1 2001.

>Shall we wait for the patch?

>(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM)

>Iain

John Bod

F1 2001 - first impressions!?!

by John Bod » Sun, 07 Oct 2001 04:52:26

Run the game in windowed mode if you're using newer Detonator drivers.
Visit the High Gear forums to get up-to-speed with various tweaks and
such.

-- JB

On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 18:20:07 GMT, "John Johnson"


>You said everything i wanted to say.

>I spent an hour trying to get mirrors to work.

>Only hope time will improve things I usually hate a new sim the first time I
>try it.

>I think the physics are spot on but the controler input just does not seem
>right.

>Just a few early immpresions dont want to say to much more just yet

>J.Johnson

John Bod

F1 2001 - first impressions!?!

by John Bod » Sun, 07 Oct 2001 04:50:51

Amen, Steve!!!

On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:27:28 GMT, "Stephen Smith"


>Jeez, nVidea seems to have done a pretty good job of getting Detonators to
>work w. everything from ancient TNTs to GF3s; dozens of cards in all.  The
>very latest drivers are meant more for the GF3s, so small wonder the older
>cards aren't happy.  Big deal.  I just want my video card to work; I don't
>care with which drivers.



>> God, not again! Colin McRae 2 had the same issue - it didn't like the most
>> recent Voodoo 3 drivers, and customer support recommended going back one.
>So
>> I just didn't buy it until I upgraded my PC to a GeForce card.

>> I said it then and I'll say it now: I am NOT going to downgrade video
>> drivers to run one specific game when all the other games on my HD run
>> BETTER with the new drivers than with the old. I just won't buy that
>> specific game. Developers who blame it on the driver should talk to the 20
>> other development houses whose games work fine. It's not the driver's
>fault.



>> > Iain,

>> > Try going backwards on yer drivers.  The 21.xx Dets are more for the GF3
>> (a
>> > GF2 Pro should kick major gluts w. this game).  I've heard of good
>results
>> > w. F1 2001 & 7.52, 7.58, 8.04 & 12.41 Dets.

>> > --Steve Smith


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