rec.autos.simulators

by **Dave Ryerso** » Mon, 08 Oct 2001 01:39:00

Yes, it does, although Papy sims turn it off at their discretion. :-(
I also have a non-FFB wheel, conveniently neglected to mention that
bit before. :-)

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Mon, 08 Oct 2001 03:43:34

Thanks Steve but I've seen that article before and it isn't particularly
useful. It doesn't include anything to do with the 21.81s which is what the
F1 2001 debate is all about.
All that article confims is that the 12.90s are the best of the rest and
I've known that for some time now. I've tried and tested a lot of the
drivers over the last year!
Until the 21.81 set was released I've always used the 12.90s.
The reason I changed to 21.81 is because they are XP compatible and that is
what I use. In everything I use I saw the benefits of the 21.81s especially
2D stuff, UNTIL F1 2001 came along. Basically it just doesn't work properly
with the 21.81s.
But, as I said in one of my posts, reverting back to the 12.90s has fixed
all the problems.
Incidentally I get around 4500 on 3DBenchamrk 2001 with the 12.90s and 4650
with the 21.81s.
Iain

"Stephen Smith" <ssmit...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message

news:igGv7.622215$EF2.87496677@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com...

> Iain, all,

> For a deeper explanation of the performance differences betw. the various
> Detonators, I recommend:

http://f1gamers.com/cgi-bin/f1/link.pl?http://www.guru3d.com/detonato...

> /

> --Steve

> "Stephen Smith" <ssmit...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:SiCv7.620817$EF2.87256051@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com...
> > Thanks for being stud-muffin enuf to admit it! <BG>

> > "Iain Mackenzie" <iain.macken...@REMOVE.ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:NVyv7.17253$jE3.2173029@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > > Steve
> > > Where did GPL come into this??? I know this is RAS, but that's taking
> ot
> > a
> > > bit too far!!!! You mean F1 2001 obviously. Well, see another post
from
> > me
> > > on the difference it made getting rid of the 21.81 drivers.
> > > Iain

> > > "Stephen Smith" <ssmit...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3ntv7.620157$EF2.86863420@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com...
> > > > Calm down, John; Thomas there wasn't asking what planet *you* were
> > from--I
> > > > think his comments were directed at Iain. I don't think Iain has
had
> > much
> > > > experience with GPL and his GF2/21.xx Det combo; a lot of people
> > including
> > > > me had trouble there and went back to the earlier drivers. He seems
> > > miffed
> > > > at the VERY IDEA that the latest drivers aren't giving him the best
> > > > performance.

> > > > The other point seems to be that he'd rather have bad FF than no
> > feedback
> > > at
> > > > all. One of the F1 2001 designers seemed acutely embarrassed at the
> FF
> > > > implementation in F1CS and said he'd rather have no FF than bad FF,
> > > > promising a patch to solve the problem later on. Of course, a lot
of
> > > people
> > > > are still waiting for the patch for F1 2000. The only FF I've seen
> (or
> > > > felt) that does anything to help you drive the car is Papy's (in GPL
&
> > > N4),
> > > > altho the implementation in Mobil 1 Rally Championship was
> near-great--I
> > > > loved how *all* feeling went away when you were skating across a
patch
> > of
> > > > the dreaded Black Ice (no, not the firewall).

> > > > --Steve

> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Bodin" <jbodin_nos...@iquest.net>
> > > > Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:49 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: F1 2001 - first impressions!?!

> > > > > For better video performance, try running in windowed mode -- set
> the
> > > > > parameter in the config.ini file to "1" (instead of "0"). This is
a
> > > > > known problem with newer Detonator drivers.

> > > > > You might also want to visit the High Gear forums -- a LOT of
people
> > > > > over there disagree with most of your assessment, it seems,
> including
> > > > > a lot of F1RC, GP3, and GPL fans.

> > > > > -- JB

> > > > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"
> > > > > <iain.macken...@REMOVE.ntlworld.com> wrote:

> > > > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very
poor!

> > > > > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding
sounds
> > > like
> > > > a
> > > > > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees!

> > > > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal
and
> > > > overly
> > > > > >filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK at
> any
> > > res,
> > > > > >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks
and
> > > feels
> > > > > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds.

> > > > > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite
> > trying
> > > > > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car!
The
> > > back
> > > > end
> > > > > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any
description
> > just
> > > > > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with
the
> > car
> > > > at
> > > > > >all.

> > > > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when
hovering
> > over
> > > > any
> > > > > >button.

> > > > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5
cars
> > > finish
> > > > > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable
to
> > race
> > > > in
> > > > > >any way competitively for previous reasons.

> > > > > >6) Mirrors don't work at all!

> > > > > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA,
there
> > is
> > > no
> > > > > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF
> > from
> > > > F1CS.

> > > > > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and
make
> > it
> > > > > >unplayable.

> > > > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong
> somewhere,
> > as
> > > I
> > > > > >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find.
> If
> > > > things
> > > > > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back.

> > > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have
nothing
> > to
> > > > worry
> > > > > >about from F1 2001.

> > > > > >Shall we wait for the patch?

> > > > > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP,
512Mb
> > RAM)

> > > > > >Iain

> > > > "John Bodin" <jbodin_nos...@iquest.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:3bbe0f8f.19256218@nntp.ext.ray.com...
> > > > > The planet of pathetic driver mismatches, I think -- why else
would
> > > > > you use Detonator drivers that are optimized for the GeForce3 with
a
> > > > > GeForce2 Ultra?

> > > > > Alternate answer: The plant of people who have not yet learned
the
> > > > > advantages of running F1 2001 in windowed mode if you're using
newer
> > > > > Detonator drivers . . .

> > > > > :-p

> > > > > ;-)

> > > > > -- JB

> > > > > On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:26:29 GMT, "Thomas Heineman"
> > > > > <thomas.heinemanREMOVES...@home.se> wrote:

> > > > > >What planet are you from?

> > > > > >Thomas

> > > > > >"Iain Mackenzie" <iain.macken...@REMOVE.ntlworld.com> skrev i
> > > meddelandet
> > > > > >news:TNlv7.11849$jE3.1544199@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > > > > >> Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very
> poor!

> > > > > >> 1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding
> sounds
> > > > like a
> > > > > >> scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees!

> > > > > >> 2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal
> and
> > > > overly
> > > > > >> filtered - whether running @ 1280 or 640. Frame rate seems OK
at
> > any
> > > > res,
> > > > > >> EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks
> and
> > > > feels
> > > > > >> like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds.

> > > > > >> 3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel
despite
> > > trying
> > > > > >> several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car!
> The
> > > > back
> > > > > >end
> > > > > >> comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any
> description
> > > just
> > > > > >> causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with
> the
> > > car
> > > > at
> > > > > >> all.

> > > > > >> 4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when
> hovering
> > > over
> > > > > >any
> > > > > >> button.

> > > > > >> 5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5
> cars
> > > > finish
> > > > > >> each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable
> to
> > > race
> > > > in
> > > > > >> any way competitively for previous reasons.

> > > > > >> 6) Mirrors don't work at all!

> > > > > >> 7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA,
> there
> > > is
> > > > no
> > > > > >> excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect)
FF
> > > from
> > > > > >F1CS.

> > > > > >> 8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and
> make
> > > it
> > > > > >> unplayable.

> > > > > >> I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong
> > somewhere,
> > > as
> > > > I
> > > > > >> have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll
find.
> > If
> > > > > >things
> > > > > >> don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back.

> > > > > >> GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have
> nothing
> > > to
> > > > > >worry
> > > > > >> about from F1 2001.

> > > > > >> Shall we wait for the patch?

> > > > > >> (BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP,
> 512Mb
> > > RAM)

> > > > > >> Iain

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Mon, 08 Oct 2001 03:46:58

Have a look at my later post on 'second impressions'! Changing to my old
12.90 drivers cured almost all the problems I was having. Now I think F1
2001 is really very good, but I'll leave a proper opinion for a few further
testing days yet!
Iain

> On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

> >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor!

> Ian, we are both GP3 fans, so we have a similar starting point.

> >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds like
a
> >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees!

> The engine sound is better than F1RC, and we all know default sounds
> are bad anyway. These will be easy to fix. I kinda liked the skid
> sound.

> >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and
overly

> >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and feels
> >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds.

> I thought the graphics were ok, albeit cartoony. There is a tick box
> for FSAA, and setting that did bring on the glitch. I turned that
> off, and turned FSAA on for the card, and it seemed ok. This is 1024,
> high car and track, everything else medium. The Ferrari steering
> wheel in the***pit was very nice. The driver arms are pretty weird.

> >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying
> >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The back
end
> >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just
> >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the car
at
> >all.

> Yeah, you get that floaty feeling that was bad but not as noticeable
> in F12K. I am still working on settings that will allow me to put the
> car where I want it. Not even close yet.

> >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over
any
> >button.

> >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars finish
> >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race
in
> >any way competitively for previous reasons.

> >6) Mirrors don't work at all!

> That is curious, same here. There is a place to turn them on, but it
> doesn't make any difference. Tied into framerate somehow? I noticed
> that some video changes would result in red graphics, telling you (I
> guess) that this was too high for your card as benchmarked (which it
> does at the setup).

> >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is no
> >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from
F1CS.

> None. Not even the imaginary FF of F12K. I cannot comprehend this.

> >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it
> >unplayable.

> I have not had that problem...yet.

> >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as I
> >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If
things
> >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back.

> I'm waiting for a while to see how the mods change things. But,
> without FF, it will never be played.

> >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to
worry
> >about from F1 2001.

> Amen

> >Shall we wait for the patch?

> No. Wait for the real developers: the guys doing the mods.

> >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM)

> 733/GTS/128 here. Latest det drivers are no problem here, except for
> the FSAA snafu.

> >Iain

by **Jimmy Spark** » Mon, 08 Oct 2001 04:05:33

I have encountered all of the aforementioned stuff as well. But in addition
to that, my steering input seems slightly delayed. I go to turn the wheel,
and the steering wheel in the game doesn't respond immediately. I even have
the dead zone at 0%. Heh, I've honestly tried a dozen times to sucessfully
make it through turns 1, 2, & 3 at Indy, and have yet to do it without
spinning. :-(

Back to F1CS2000 for me.

> Have a look at my later post on 'second impressions'! Changing to my old
> 12.90 drivers cured almost all the problems I was having. Now I think F1
> 2001 is really very good, but I'll leave a proper opinion for a few
further
> testing days yet!
> Iain

> > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

> > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor!

> > Ian, we are both GP3 fans, so we have a similar starting point.

> > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds
like
> a
> > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees!

> > The engine sound is better than F1RC, and we all know default sounds
> > are bad anyway. These will be easy to fix. I kinda liked the skid
> > sound.

> > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and
> overly

res,
> > >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and
feels
> > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds.

> > I thought the graphics were ok, albeit cartoony. There is a tick box
> > for FSAA, and setting that did bring on the glitch. I turned that
> > off, and turned FSAA on for the card, and it seemed ok. This is 1024,
> > high car and track, everything else medium. The Ferrari steering
> > wheel in the***pit was very nice. The driver arms are pretty weird.

> > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite trying
> > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The
back
> end
> > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description just
> > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the car
> at
> > >all.

> > Yeah, you get that floaty feeling that was bad but not as noticeable
> > in F12K. I am still working on settings that will allow me to put the
> > car where I want it. Not even close yet.

> > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering over
> any
> > >button.

> > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars
finish
> > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to race
> in
> > >any way competitively for previous reasons.

> > >6) Mirrors don't work at all!

> > That is curious, same here. There is a place to turn them on, but it
> > doesn't make any difference. Tied into framerate somehow? I noticed
> > that some video changes would result in red graphics, telling you (I
> > guess) that this was too high for your card as benchmarked (which it
> > does at the setup).

> > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there is
no
> > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF from
> F1CS.

> > None. Not even the imaginary FF of F12K. I cannot comprehend this.

> > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make it
> > >unplayable.

> > I have not had that problem...yet.

> > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, as
I
> > >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If
> things
> > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back.

> > I'm waiting for a while to see how the mods change things. But,
> > without FF, it will never be played.

> > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing to
> worry
> > >about from F1 2001.

> > Amen

> > >Shall we wait for the patch?

> > No. Wait for the real developers: the guys doing the mods.

> > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb RAM)

> > 733/GTS/128 here. Latest det drivers are no problem here, except for
> > the FSAA snafu.

> > >Iain

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Mon, 08 Oct 2001 04:32:59

Yep I had the same problem until I changed (video) drivers (!) and tweaked
with the wheel settings. What wheel are you using?
Iain

> I have encountered all of the aforementioned stuff as well. But in
addition
> to that, my steering input seems slightly delayed. I go to turn the
wheel,
> and the steering wheel in the game doesn't respond immediately. I even
have
> the dead zone at 0%. Heh, I've honestly tried a dozen times to
sucessfully
> make it through turns 1, 2, & 3 at Indy, and have yet to do it without
> spinning. :-(

> Back to F1CS2000 for me.

> > Have a look at my later post on 'second impressions'! Changing to my
old
> > 12.90 drivers cured almost all the problems I was having. Now I think
F1
> > 2001 is really very good, but I'll leave a proper opinion for a few
> further
> > testing days yet!
> > Iain

> > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

> > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor!

> > > Ian, we are both GP3 fans, so we have a similar starting point.

> > > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds
> like
> > a
> > > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees!

> > > The engine sound is better than F1RC, and we all know default sounds
> > > are bad anyway. These will be easy to fix. I kinda liked the skid
> > > sound.

> > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and
> > overly

> res,
> > > >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and
> feels
> > > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds.

> > > I thought the graphics were ok, albeit cartoony. There is a tick box
> > > for FSAA, and setting that did bring on the glitch. I turned that
> > > off, and turned FSAA on for the card, and it seemed ok. This is 1024,
> > > high car and track, everything else medium. The Ferrari steering
> > > wheel in the***pit was very nice. The driver arms are pretty weird.

> > > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite
trying
> > > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The
> back
> > end
> > > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description
just
> > > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the
car
> > at
> > > >all.

> > > Yeah, you get that floaty feeling that was bad but not as noticeable
> > > in F12K. I am still working on settings that will allow me to put the
> > > car where I want it. Not even close yet.

> > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering
over
> > any
> > > >button.

> > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars
> finish
> > > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to
race
> > in
> > > >any way competitively for previous reasons.

> > > >6) Mirrors don't work at all!

> > > That is curious, same here. There is a place to turn them on, but it
> > > doesn't make any difference. Tied into framerate somehow? I noticed
> > > that some video changes would result in red graphics, telling you (I
> > > guess) that this was too high for your card as benchmarked (which it
> > > does at the setup).

> > > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there
is
> no
> > > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF
from
> > F1CS.

> > > None. Not even the imaginary FF of F12K. I cannot comprehend this.

> > > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make
it
> > > >unplayable.

> > > I have not had that problem...yet.

> > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere,
as
> I
> > > >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find. If
> > things
> > > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back.

> > > I'm waiting for a while to see how the mods change things. But,
> > > without FF, it will never be played.

> > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing
to
> > worry
> > > >about from F1 2001.

> > > Amen

> > > >Shall we wait for the patch?

> > > No. Wait for the real developers: the guys doing the mods.

> > > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb
RAM)

> > > 733/GTS/128 here. Latest det drivers are no problem here, except for
> > > the FSAA snafu.

> > > >Iain

by **Jimmy Spark** » Mon, 08 Oct 2001 05:17:39

LWFF.

After I posted, I went thru some of the previous posts to this thread, and
saw the 12.90 det change idea (I am using 21.81's in WinME)

I suppose I'll try the 12.90's and fire it up again.

> Yep I had the same problem until I changed (video) drivers (!) and tweaked
> with the wheel settings. What wheel are you using?
> Iain

> > I have encountered all of the aforementioned stuff as well. But in
> addition
> > to that, my steering input seems slightly delayed. I go to turn the
> wheel,
> > and the steering wheel in the game doesn't respond immediately. I even
> have
> > the dead zone at 0%. Heh, I've honestly tried a dozen times to
> sucessfully
> > make it through turns 1, 2, & 3 at Indy, and have yet to do it without
> > spinning. :-(

> > Back to F1CS2000 for me.

> > > Have a look at my later post on 'second impressions'! Changing to my
> old
> > > 12.90 drivers cured almost all the problems I was having. Now I think
> F1
> > > 2001 is really very good, but I'll leave a proper opinion for a few
> > further
> > > testing days yet!
> > > Iain

> > > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

> > > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very poor!

> > > > Ian, we are both GP3 fans, so we have a similar starting point.

> > > > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding sounds
> > like
> > > a
> > > > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees!

> > > > The engine sound is better than F1RC, and we all know default sounds
> > > > are bad anyway. These will be easy to fix. I kinda liked the skid
> > > > sound.

> > > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal and
> > > overly

any
> > res,
> > > > >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks and
> > feels
> > > > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds.

> > > > I thought the graphics were ok, albeit cartoony. There is a tick
box
> > > > for FSAA, and setting that did bring on the glitch. I turned that
> > > > off, and turned FSAA on for the card, and it seemed ok. This is
1024,
> > > > high car and track, everything else medium. The Ferrari steering
> > > > wheel in the***pit was very nice. The driver arms are pretty
weird.

> > > > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite
> trying
> > > > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car! The
> > back
> > > end
> > > > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any description
> just
> > > > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with the
> car
> > > at
> > > > >all.

> > > > Yeah, you get that floaty feeling that was bad but not as noticeable
> > > > in F12K. I am still working on settings that will allow me to put
the
> > > > car where I want it. Not even close yet.

> > > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when hovering
> over
> > > any
> > > > >button.

> > > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5 cars
> > finish
> > > > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable to
> race
> > > in
> > > > >any way competitively for previous reasons.

> > > > >6) Mirrors don't work at all!

> > > > That is curious, same here. There is a place to turn them on, but
it
> > > > doesn't make any difference. Tied into framerate somehow? I
noticed
> > > > that some video changes would result in red graphics, telling you (I
> > > > guess) that this was too high for your card as benchmarked (which it
> > > > does at the setup).

> > > > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA, there
> is
> > no
> > > > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF
> from
> > > F1CS.

> > > > None. Not even the imaginary FF of F12K. I cannot comprehend this.

> > > > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and make
> it
> > > > >unplayable.

> > > > I have not had that problem...yet.

> > > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong
somewhere,
> as
> > I
> > > > >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find.
If
> > > things
> > > > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back.

> > > > I'm waiting for a while to see how the mods change things. But,
> > > > without FF, it will never be played.

> > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have nothing
> to
> > > worry
> > > > >about from F1 2001.

> > > > Amen

> > > > >Shall we wait for the patch?

> > > > No. Wait for the real developers: the guys doing the mods.

> > > > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP, 512Mb
> RAM)

> > > > 733/GTS/128 here. Latest det drivers are no problem here, except
for
> > > > the FSAA snafu.

> > > > >Iain

by **Eldre** » Mon, 08 Oct 2001 05:57:21

I'll believe it when I see it...<g>

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
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with experience...
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by **Eldre** » Mon, 08 Oct 2001 05:57:21

>Why 'o why do you guys fall for the same EA joke?!?
> Time after time ... - or title after title - that is!

Do you own any EA(racing) titles? Just curious.

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
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by **Bart Westr** » Mon, 08 Oct 2001 06:55:27

I have problems in GPL and N4 with the 21.81 drivers on a Geforce 2 GTS in
W98. In GPL, when I race Kyalami online, about half way the track triangles
and planes show up. It doesn't happen when I first start an offline race and
then go to Kyalami online from the same instance of GPL.
In N4, I got the same problem rightaway in offline racing. In both cases
going back to the 12.90 drivers cured it.
So F1 2001 is not alone in this respect....

Bart Westra

by **Jimmy Spark** » Mon, 08 Oct 2001 09:58:49

Alrighty then, so switching from 21.81's to 12.90's make an UNBELIEVABLE
difference, hehe.

Now I'm trying to get used to this IRL'ish
back-wanting-to-always-come-around phenomenon :-)

> LWFF.

> After I posted, I went thru some of the previous posts to this thread, and
> saw the 12.90 det change idea (I am using 21.81's in WinME)

> I suppose I'll try the 12.90's and fire it up again.

> > Yep I had the same problem until I changed (video) drivers (!) and
tweaked
> > with the wheel settings. What wheel are you using?
> > Iain

> > > I have encountered all of the aforementioned stuff as well. But in
> > addition
> > > to that, my steering input seems slightly delayed. I go to turn the
> > wheel,
> > > and the steering wheel in the game doesn't respond immediately. I
even
> > have
> > > the dead zone at 0%. Heh, I've honestly tried a dozen times to
> > sucessfully
> > > make it through turns 1, 2, & 3 at Indy, and have yet to do it without
> > > spinning. :-(

> > > Back to F1CS2000 for me.

> > > > Have a look at my later post on 'second impressions'! Changing to
my
> > old
> > > > 12.90 drivers cured almost all the problems I was having. Now I
think
> > F1
> > > > 2001 is really very good, but I'll leave a proper opinion for a few
> > > further
> > > > testing days yet!
> > > > Iain

> > > > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

> > > > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very
poor!

> > > > > Ian, we are both GP3 fans, so we have a similar starting point.

> > > > > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding
sounds
> > > like
> > > > a
> > > > > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees!

> > > > > The engine sound is better than F1RC, and we all know default
sounds
> > > > > are bad anyway. These will be easy to fix. I kinda liked the
skid
> > > > > sound.

> > > > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal
and
> > > > overly

> any
> > > res,
> > > > > >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks
and
> > > feels
> > > > > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds.

> > > > > I thought the graphics were ok, albeit cartoony. There is a tick
> box
> > > > > for FSAA, and setting that did bring on the glitch. I turned that
> > > > > off, and turned FSAA on for the card, and it seemed ok. This is
> 1024,
> > > > > high car and track, everything else medium. The Ferrari steering
> > > > > wheel in the***pit was very nice. The driver arms are pretty
> weird.

> > > > > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel despite
> > trying
> > > > > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car!
The
> > > back
> > > > end
> > > > > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any
description
> > just
> > > > > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with
the
> > car
> > > > at
> > > > > >all.

> > > > > Yeah, you get that floaty feeling that was bad but not as
noticeable
> > > > > in F12K. I am still working on settings that will allow me to put
> the
> > > > > car where I want it. Not even close yet.

> > > > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when
hovering
> > over
> > > > any
> > > > > >button.

> > > > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5
cars
> > > finish
> > > > > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable
to
> > race
> > > > in
> > > > > >any way competitively for previous reasons.

> > > > > >6) Mirrors don't work at all!

> > > > > That is curious, same here. There is a place to turn them on, but
> it
> > > > > doesn't make any difference. Tied into framerate somehow? I
> noticed
> > > > > that some video changes would result in red graphics, telling you
(I
> > > > > guess) that this was too high for your card as benchmarked (which
it
> > > > > does at the setup).

> > > > > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA,
there
> > is
> > > no
> > > > > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect) FF
> > from
> > > > F1CS.

> > > > > None. Not even the imaginary FF of F12K. I cannot comprehend
this.

> > > > > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and
make
> > it
> > > > > >unplayable.

> > > > > I have not had that problem...yet.

> > > > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong
> somewhere,
> > as
> > > I
> > > > > >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll find.
> If
> > > > things
> > > > > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back.

> > > > > I'm waiting for a while to see how the mods change things. But,
> > > > > without FF, it will never be played.

> > > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have
nothing
> > to
> > > > worry
> > > > > >about from F1 2001.

> > > > > Amen

> > > > > >Shall we wait for the patch?

> > > > > No. Wait for the real developers: the guys doing the mods.

> > > > > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP,
512Mb
> > RAM)

> > > > > 733/GTS/128 here. Latest det drivers are no problem here, except
> for
> > > > > the FSAA snafu.

> > > > > >Iain

by **Dave Henri** » Mon, 08 Oct 2001 13:05:49

They were hinting and hemming & hawwing about that. I was wondering what
sim they would finally use...Cs2k or 2001. I guess JB has answered that eh?
dave henrie

> No CART mods planned, but how about a retail CART sim based on the F1
> 2001 physics engine?

> :-D

> -- JB

> >LOL! Should have known you'd be making an appearance somewhere in this
> >thread.

> >Hey, speaking of which, have the guys who did CART2K said anything about
> >doing a CART mod for F1 2001?

> >> CART!

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Mon, 08 Oct 2001 15:42:43

Glad to hear it. They've got to sort out that problem as a lot of people
wouldn't be aware of the fact that they have to install older drivers to get
it to work properly. 21.85s have been leaked, I'll try them later.
F1 2001 is rapidly becoming my favoutite modern F1 sim! I can't really find
any major faults now!
Iain

> Alrighty then, so switching from 21.81's to 12.90's make an UNBELIEVABLE
> difference, hehe.

> Now I'm trying to get used to this IRL'ish
> back-wanting-to-always-come-around phenomenon :-)

> > LWFF.

> > After I posted, I went thru some of the previous posts to this thread,
and
> > saw the 12.90 det change idea (I am using 21.81's in WinME)

> > I suppose I'll try the 12.90's and fire it up again.

> > > Yep I had the same problem until I changed (video) drivers (!) and
> tweaked
> > > with the wheel settings. What wheel are you using?
> > > Iain

> > > > I have encountered all of the aforementioned stuff as well. But in
> > > addition
> > > > to that, my steering input seems slightly delayed. I go to turn the
> > > wheel,
> > > > and the steering wheel in the game doesn't respond immediately. I
> even
> > > have
> > > > the dead zone at 0%. Heh, I've honestly tried a dozen times to
> > > sucessfully
> > > > make it through turns 1, 2, & 3 at Indy, and have yet to do it
without
> > > > spinning. :-(

> > > > Back to F1CS2000 for me.

message

> > > > > Have a look at my later post on 'second impressions'! Changing to
> my
> > > old
> > > > > 12.90 drivers cured almost all the problems I was having. Now I
> think
> > > F1
> > > > > 2001 is really very good, but I'll leave a proper opinion for a
few
> > > > further
> > > > > testing days yet!
> > > > > Iain

> > > > > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:04 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"

> > > > > > >Well, I've just got F1 2001 and my first impressions are very
> poor!

> > > > > > Ian, we are both GP3 fans, so we have a similar starting point.

> > > > > > >1) Sound is terrible. Tyre sounds are like static, skidding
> sounds
> > > > like
> > > > > a
> > > > > > >scraping sound, engines sound like demented bees!

> > > > > > The engine sound is better than F1RC, and we all know default
> sounds
> > > > > > are bad anyway. These will be easy to fix. I kinda liked the
> skid
> > > > > > sound.

> > > > > > >2) Graphics are very poor. Looks like a cartoon - very unreal
> and
> > > > > overly

at
> > any
> > > > res,
> > > > > > >EXCEPT for the fact that every 5 seconds or so everything looks
> and
> > > > feels
> > > > > > >like travelling through treacle for 1-2 seconds.

> > > > > > I thought the graphics were ok, albeit cartoony. There is a
tick
> > box
> > > > > > for FSAA, and setting that did bring on the glitch. I turned
that
> > > > > > off, and turned FSAA on for the card, and it seemed ok. This is
> > 1024,
> > > > > > high car and track, everything else medium. The Ferrari
steering
> > > > > > wheel in the***pit was very nice. The driver arms are pretty
> > weird.

> > > > > > >3) Control seems to be almost nil. My Ferrari FF wheel
despite
> > > trying
> > > > > > >several settings just doesn't seem to be able to drive the car!
> The
> > > > back
> > > > > end
> > > > > > >comes round if you breath too hard, and braking of any
> description
> > > just
> > > > > > >causes instability. There is no feeling of being in touch with
> the
> > > car
> > > > > at
> > > > > > >all.

> > > > > > Yeah, you get that floaty feeling that was bad but not as
> noticeable
> > > > > > in F12K. I am still working on settings that will allow me to
put
> > the
> > > > > > car where I want it. Not even close yet.

> > > > > > >4) Menus have a very irritating sound which comes up when
> hovering
> > > over
> > > > > any
> > > > > > >button.

> > > > > > >5) Having tried about 10 quick races at Imola, only about 4-5
> cars
> > > > finish
> > > > > > >each time. Can't give any assessment of AI because I am unable
> to
> > > race
> > > > > in
> > > > > > >any way competitively for previous reasons.

> > > > > > >6) Mirrors don't work at all!

> > > > > > That is curious, same here. There is a place to turn them on,
but
> > it
> > > > > > doesn't make any difference. Tied into framerate somehow? I
> > noticed
> > > > > > that some video changes would result in red graphics, telling
you
> (I
> > > > > > guess) that this was too high for your card as benchmarked
(which
> it
> > > > > > does at the setup).

> > > > > > >7) There is no FF! Despite the deadlines no doubt set by EA,
> there
> > > is
> > > > no
> > > > > > >excuse for this. They could have used the (less than perfect)
FF
> > > from
> > > > > F1CS.

> > > > > > None. Not even the imaginary FF of F12K. I cannot comprehend
> this.

> > > > > > >8) Twice now, the graphics corrupt at the start of a race, and
> make
> > > it
> > > > > > >unplayable.

> > > > > > I have not had that problem...yet.

> > > > > > >I really hope that there is something fundamentally wrong
> > somewhere,
> > > as
> > > > I
> > > > > > >have only scratched the surface. God knows what else I'll
find.
> > If
> > > > > things
> > > > > > >don't improve in a couple of days, then it's going back.

> > > > > > I'm waiting for a while to see how the mods change things. But,
> > > > > > without FF, it will never be played.

> > > > > > >GP3 2000, F1RC (despite some AI probs) and even F12KCS have
> nothing
> > > to
> > > > > worry
> > > > > > >about from F1 2001.

> > > > > > Amen

> > > > > > >Shall we wait for the patch?

> > > > > > No. Wait for the real developers: the guys doing the mods.

> > > > > > >(BTW I'm running on 1.4 Athlon, GF2 Ultra, 21.80 Dets on XP,
> 512Mb
> > > RAM)

> > > > > > 733/GTS/128 here. Latest det drivers are no problem here,
except
> > for
> > > > > > the FSAA snafu.

> > > > > > >Iain

by **Dave Henri** » Mon, 08 Oct 2001 16:10:13

What about all those chicanes at Monza and Imola?
(those are faults....)
dave henrie