rec.autos.simulators

Yeah, I imagine you are right about their main focus being on Xbox with this
(possible) acquisition. Even so, I see it as a good sign that Microsoft is
still producing PC games even with their very aggressive console strategy.
If it happens, I'll take more of a neutral wait and see type attitude rather
than the somewhat concerned feelings I have right now with Vivendi as
parent.

That said, I have no idea of the corporate structure/interaction between
Vivendi/Sierra/Papyrus or what it would possibly be with Microsoft. But I
would have many less doubts with a cash cow like Microsoft at the head
rather than a near bankrupt, debt laden cow like Vivendi.

db

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Your comment absolutely put down the "quality" of the drivers of another
sim.

David G Fisher

First of all, The best way to judge a driver(s) is to see how well they do
with a new sim that they have no or little time with. Not after they've had
tons of practice with it.

Secondly, I've raced with familiar names online with POD, CPR, MTM2, GPL,
N2002, LFS, and probably a few others that I forget right now.

Finally, I've seen replays of GPL races, and read race reports where it's
crash after crash after crash from people who've been racing the same cars
on the same tracks for years. Hardly any different from what you see from
the general crowd in most online racing games.

POD drivers would kick your ass Gerry.

David G Fisher

"David G Fisher" wrote

As Joachim reiterates - based on *his* experience as your comments are based on
*your* experience

I could show you many GPL league race replays which are most definately not
crash fests nor wild sliding unrealistic affairs but it would all get rather
boring - time to move on.

Cheers
Tony

Here we go.

Joachim put down the MTM drivers with his comments. That's a fact.

As for the GPL replays, if what you say they contain is even true, I'd be
completely and totally unimpressed. After years of driving the same cars on
the same tracks, I would hope the most dedicated GPL drivers who are racing
against those they are most familiar with would be able to keep them under
some kind of control by now.

David G Fisher

Just logged into VROC, and almost every single track of the 26 listed for
racing was a track that shipped with the game years ago. Familiar names were
there too.

David G Fisher

Some companies, like Apple or Papy, like to strive for good or even
excellent products while making ca$h at the same time. MS does not have
that frame of mind. It is, in other words, not product-oriented.

Regards, Ruud

Joachim made a joke based on his own experiences on the Zone. You countered that
it was very different & Joachim explained it was a joke based on waht he had
seen and accepted that the general standard may have been very different. Did it
end there? No.

How trusting...

Well I said it would be a boring exercise - so we agree on that :). Although
they would include replays from 98 and the beginning of 99, so hardly the years
of practice you elude to.

I am probably getting sucked into a DGF vs Gerry slanging match - so I think I
will stop there.

Cheers
Tony

Most of the leagues I keep track on use 3rd party tracks!! Admit it,
david, the world of sim racing loves GPL, and you are just a lonely
little opinion in the great scheme of things. Where are all the F1CR and
4x4 evo online leagues, btw?

The truth is you only hate GPL because you cannot drive the cars!
Realistic physics makes no sense to you. Must be because of all those
second-rate racing games you've played with over the years!

Anyway, enough on this topic, because you are boring me, and I have
bigger fish to fry.

Patronizingly yours

GDA

not at all, as it was a comment about people driving the same sim as myself.

And I wasn't discrediting anyone based on the fact that they were driving a
specific sim, I was plainly referring to personal experiences made at the
Zone.

Achim

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Riiiight...

Mark

Jason

Gerry