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by **Ruud Dingeman** » Wed, 05 Feb 2003 16:17:43

>>Well, Apple is one of those rare companies that actually cares about how
>>good or original its stuff is.
> Apple stopped being anything more than another Microsoft the day Jobs
> fired Wozniak.

Um, Jobs never fired Wozniak. In fact it was Steve J. who got fired
(back in 1985, founded NeXT, which begat the WWW, became OS X, the rest
is history)

The only real difference I can see is that Microsoft

True, to some extent. However, it's more than just style, it's finesse
and quality care as well.

Same shit, different packaging, smells and handles better though ;)

Regards, Ruud

by **Ruud Dingeman** » Thu, 06 Feb 2003 11:21:38

> they are the same. Only a PC is cheaper and runs faster.

Yeah, and "We crash faster" of course. Not to mention "catches viruses
faster" - a lot faster, I'd say. The last live Mac virus was spotted
several years ago. Faster. Yeah. Wooo.

Well, same here, mate.

Regards, Rudy

by **Jason Moy** » Thu, 06 Feb 2003 13:45:23

>Only a PC is cheaper and runs faster.

I would imagine a 1gHz RISC chip blows away a 3gHz P4, but I haven't
seen much in the way of benchmarks.

Jason

by **Damien Smit** » Thu, 06 Feb 2003 14:38:12

OK, enough Mac bashing. Macs can be a very useful tool for kindergarten
children.

by **Eldre** » Thu, 06 Feb 2003 16:14:19

>> they are the same. Only a PC is cheaper and runs faster.

>Yeah, and "We crash faster" of course. Not to mention "catches viruses
>faster" - a lot faster, I'd say. The last live Mac virus was spotted
>several years ago. Faster. Yeah. Wooo.

Actually, people who use common sense *rarely* get hit with viruses, even
running Windows. The only thing about viruses you can blame on MS is their
STUPID default config for MS Outlook. That lets everything under the sun
attack your system... :-(

And as for Mac viruses, the standard joke is that virus creators don't want to
waste their time trying to affect a market that's only about 10% of the
total... :-)

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by **Goy Larse** » Fri, 07 Feb 2003 04:57:24

> reckoned:

> >And as for Mac viruses, the standard joke is that virus creators don't want to
> >waste their time trying to affect a market that's only about 10% of the
> >total... :-)

> Actually that's not a joke, it's the truth.

Yep, same goes for Virus that attacks Netscape and all these other
lesser used e-mail programs that have a low market share, if you're
going to make a virus it's natural to make it so it has the most chance
of spreading

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Larr** » Fri, 07 Feb 2003 06:19:01

Actually, Netscape still has quite a presence in the Corporate world.
Netscape has a TON of email servers being used at the corporate level.

Not everyone buys into the cost of Exchange Servers.

Larry

> > reckoned:

> > >And as for Mac viruses, the standard joke is that virus creators don't
want to
> > >waste their time trying to affect a market that's only about 10% of the
> > >total... :-)

> > Actually that's not a joke, it's the truth.

> Yep, same goes for Virus that attacks Netscape and all these other
> lesser used e-mail programs that have a low market share, if you're
> going to make a virus it's natural to make it so it has the most chance
> of spreading

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "goyl at nettx dot no"

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

by **Goy Larse** » Fri, 07 Feb 2003 07:18:54

> Actually, Netscape still has quite a presence in the Corporate world.
> Netscape has a TON of email servers being used at the corporate level.

Fair enough, but the total ratio is still overwhelmingly in fav of of a
MS product....:-)

And thank god for that or it would be a *total* monopoly out there

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Jason Moy** » Fri, 07 Feb 2003 08:35:00

On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 23:18:54 +0100, Goy Larsen

>And thank god for that or it would be a *total* monopoly out there

Weird, last time I saw stats MS was getting its ass kicked as far as
serving data went. I can't imagine anyone running Exchange outside of
a small office environment and then only for internal email. Even if
Exchange is handling the POP/IMAP stuff (to keep the shirts happy) I'd
imagine any semi-large company is using qmail or sendmail for SMTP.
As far as other services go, the world is still running on Apache and
Netscape Commerce Server.

Did MS ever fix the bug in Exchange that prevented it from sending
mail to hosts without mx records? I dunno how it survived through
version 5, altho I guess MS has a history of blatantly ignoring RFCs.

Jason

by **Goy Larse** » Fri, 07 Feb 2003 08:50:26

> On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 23:18:54 +0100, Goy Larsen

> >And thank god for that or it would be a *total* monopoly out there

> Weird, last time I saw stats MS was getting its ass kicked as far as
> serving data went. I can't imagine anyone running Exchange outside of
> a small office environment and then only for internal email. Even if
> Exchange is handling the POP/IMAP stuff (to keep the shirts happy) I'd
> imagine any semi-large company is using qmail or sendmail for SMTP.
> As far as other services go, the world is still running on Apache and
> Netscape Commerce Server.

Okay...:-), never claimed to know much about servers anyways, I'll just
sit quietly over here in the corner from now on

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Jason Moy** » Fri, 07 Feb 2003 09:06:31

On Thu, 06 Feb 2003 00:50:26 +0100, Goy Larsen

>Okay...:-), never claimed to know much about servers anyways, I'll just
>sit quietly over here in the corner from now on

*sends you an e450 and a copy of NCS*

Have fun!

Jason

(NCS actually stands for "piece of shit" and not "netscape commerce
srver")

by **Larr** » Fri, 07 Feb 2003 11:55:21

And every other email would be a Virus. Right now it's only every 4th one
:)

Larry

> > Actually, Netscape still has quite a presence in the Corporate world.
> > Netscape has a TON of email servers being used at the corporate level.

> Fair enough, but the total ratio is still overwhelmingly in fav of of a
> MS product....:-)

> > Not everyone buys into the cost of Exchange Servers.

> And thank god for that or it would be a *total* monopoly out there

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "goyl at nettx dot no"

> http://www.theuspits.com

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
> --Groucho Marx--

by **Larr** » Fri, 07 Feb 2003 11:56:38

I'm not so sure about that.

Toss in the Lotus servers, Linux servers and Netscape servers (plus whatever
I missed), and i'm not convinced Exchange is even close to monopoly levels.

Larry

by **Ruud Dingeman** » Fri, 07 Feb 2003 14:35:02

> OK, enough Mac bashing. Macs can be a very useful tool for kindergarten
> children.

Strange thing that these kajagoogoo thingies keep on runnin' though when
pc's are failing left, right 'n center whenever there is another virus
around huh?

(Besides, Macs aren't Macs anymore, Apple makes Unix machines now, we're
talking a whole new ballgame there... or rather 'venerable', Unix being
around since 1969)
Regards, Ruud

by **Ruud Dingeman** » Fri, 07 Feb 2003 14:37:50

> running Windows. The only thing about viruses you can blame on MS is their

...happy-go-lucky software designs ;)

10 %? Huh, we'd wish. 4% is more likely. Still, about 20+ million people
though...

Regards, Ruud

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