Yes, we know (actually, I didn't know about the live rear axle part, but Hal
told me), but that doesn't mean the cars in the game portray the same kind
of stable aero platform and poise the occasional footage that makes its way
across the Atlantic of their RL counterparts indicates.
Jan.
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In case you hadn't noticed, I'm describing the cars in the game, not
Trans-Am's. Also, I said sufficient grip and power, not too much.
Jan.
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> >I just find it hard to accept that this could be the "best" were going to
> >get. Papy has shortcomings that I just cna't accept any longer and EA sims
> >(although they have failings also) are a step in the right direction,
> >especially the Physics. The Papy tracks are nearly perfectly flat. The
> >bumps that are there feel as though they were just stuck onto this perfectly
> >flat track, the grahics and physics seem dated and most importanly it can be
> >exploited way to easily.
> I dunno, I've driven on professional racing circuits. They aren't
> littered with high amplitude oscillations, just a lot of high
> frequency bumps. When I see posts about the tracks being too flat, I
> wonder if you're comparing them to streets in Pittsburgh or something,
> because that's about the only thing I can think of that could be
> bumpier.
> Surely you don't think the rollercoasters at Monza and Silverstone
> represent reality in any way?
> Jason
Kendt
I've been a Papy fan since the beginning. (Indy 500 the Sim on Amiga)
Papyrus is the reason I own a computer and have a career in the IT field.
The only thing great multiplayer code gives is competition. Net code doesnt
make the sim any more realistic to drive except for the fact that those are
other people driving next/into you.
With that said I'd much rather drive test sessions alone in a car if it was
more realistic behind the wheel..
I drive the AussieV8 mod with a few Aussie nutbags on F1RST practically
every night. I dont think I've loaded up N2k3 in months, I downloaded the
transam mod but havent bothered to try it yet.
Thx
yes it shows up as F1C-V8 Beta in F1RST.
> Thx
> > FWIW.
> > I've been a Papy fan since the beginning. (Indy 500 the Sim on Amiga)
> > Papyrus is the reason I own a computer and have a career in the IT
field.
> > The only thing great multiplayer code gives is competition. Net code
> doesnt
> > make the sim any more realistic to drive except for the fact that those
> are
> > other people driving next/into you.
> > With that said I'd much rather drive test sessions alone in a car if it
> was
> > more realistic behind the wheel..
> > I drive the AussieV8 mod with a few Aussie nutbags on F1RST practically
> > every night. I dont think I've loaded up N2k3 in months, I downloaded
the
> > transam mod but havent bothered to try it yet.
> >I just find it hard to accept that this could be the "best" were going to
> >get. Papy has shortcomings that I just cna't accept any longer and EA sims
> >(although they have failings also) are a step in the right direction,
> >especially the Physics. The Papy tracks are nearly perfectly flat. The
> >bumps that are there feel as though they were just stuck onto this perfectly
> >flat track, the grahics and physics seem dated and most importanly it can be
> >exploited way to easily.
How can you call the Papy engine dated when it was totally revised in 2003
with actual data and help from winston cup engineers?
The fact that its a generic type physics model has nothing negative to do
with their fundamental realism it only means they are not simulating a
specific real life racing car..
IF there was a car designed with the papy specifications you could bet your
bottom dollar that if would handle very closely to it.
Its not even close mate:)
> > >I just find it hard to accept that this could be the "best" were going
to
> > >get. Papy has shortcomings that I just cna't accept any longer and EA
sims
> > >(although they have failings also) are a step in the right direction,
> > >especially the Physics. The Papy tracks are nearly perfectly flat.
The
> > >bumps that are there feel as though they were just stuck onto this
perfectly
> > >flat track, the grahics and physics seem dated and most importanly it
can be
> > >exploited way to easily.
> *cough* EA FANBOY *cough*
Are you talking about F1C or F1RC??
Jason
> >Mitch i cant beleive your comparing F1RC to Nascar 2003.
> Are you talking about F1C or F1RC??
> Jason
If ISI one day takes the time to give their sims a new tire model, they
may immediately have state of the art physics at hand. Of course, that
still leave the multiplayer to be sorted out, but anyway, the physics
are much better than they appear, it's mainly the tire model which lacks
detail.
The configurability is btw in general a strong point in ISI sims. I once
was in a project where I with just a few minor mods was able to add this
slight shaking effect brake discs which have become too hot can cause,
where the wheel shakes slightly with a slow oscillation at slow speeds,
and then the shaking becomes an almost unnoticeable high speed vibration
at higher speeds, and that felt _so_ real.
I'm really a fan of Papyrus and have always been, but credit should be
given where credit is due.
Achim
David G Fisher
>> >Mitch i cant beleive your comparing F1RC to Nascar 2003.
>> Are you talking about F1C or F1RC??
>> Jason
> Dan, I think you're doing F1C wrong. ISI's physics model is highly
> complex and extremely configurable, to the extent where we could
> probably get closer to GT or Prototype simulation with it than with the
> current N2k3 physics. The only serious shortcoming in this respect is
> the rudimentary tire model.
> If ISI one day takes the time to give their sims a new tire model, they
> may immediately have state of the art physics at hand. Of course, that
> still leave the multiplayer to be sorted out, but anyway, the physics
> are much better than they appear, it's mainly the tire model which lacks
> detail.
> The configurability is btw in general a strong point in ISI sims. I once
> was in a project where I with just a few minor mods was able to add this
> slight shaking effect brake discs which have become too hot can cause,
> where the wheel shakes slightly with a slow oscillation at slow speeds,
> and then the shaking becomes an almost unnoticeable high speed vibration
> at higher speeds, and that felt _so_ real.
> I'm really a fan of Papyrus and have always been, but credit should be
> given where credit is due.
> Achim
Kendt
While I'm on the subject of mods, has anyone released a newer version
of Bathurst for F1C without all of the poly jumps? I'd like to give
it a good thrashing in ETCC but the only version I can find is the
original conversion, which has the same issues that the original
Nordschleife conversion had before Simbin smoothed the surface planes
out.
Jason
