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Jason Moy

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by Jason Moy » Sun, 07 Mar 2004 11:41:59


>  My, you're an angry young man.  Hate being shown to be wrong on something
>don't you ?

I love being shown wrong.  Unfortunately, you just spew nonsense on
here which takes away time I could be having constructive arguments
with Mitch or Dave, and possibly learning something in the process.
Hence the fact I tend to not even read your replies anymore.

Jason

Eldre

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by Eldre » Sun, 07 Mar 2004 12:06:20

No I don't.  I hadn't decided to shell out for it yet.  However, if Martin and
Jonas saw fit to send me an 'evaluation/testing' copy, I wouldn't
complain...<g>

But how would that help troubleshoot a controller problem?  Different rates of
turning might be because of someone else having a different steering lock than
I do.  Not saying the program won't help, but not understanding that part...

Eldred
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JP

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by JP » Sun, 07 Mar 2004 14:12:28



> >  My, you're an angry young man.  Hate being shown to be wrong on
something
> >don't you ?

> I love being shown wrong.  Unfortunately, you just spew nonsense on
> here which takes away time I could be having constructive arguments
> with Mitch or Dave, and possibly learning something in the process.
> Hence the fact I tend to not even read your replies anymore.

> Jason

  That's supposed to make me upset or something, right ?  That you don't
read my replies ?  Sorry, anyone that says "are you ***ing stupid" to me
gets the respect they deserve.
Bill Bollinge

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by Bill Bollinge » Sun, 07 Mar 2004 14:25:13

It will NOT happen with two studs on the bottom.


> I didnt qualify how many it takes to make the high line work did I?  It
> works if you get a few guys to stick with it high.  Will two guys high
pass
> 3 guys low, no.  Will three guys high pass 2 guys low, yea Ive done it and
> seen it many many times.

> Mitch



> > The high groove will NOT work at dega or daytona.  Chris Shearburn and
> > myself proved that at the last Dega race in VRW.  NO ONE would have
passed
> > us on the high line unless it was 4 on 2.  The high line does NOT work,
> that
> > is why all of the big time SS only leagues have switched tracks to the
BR
> > series.

> > Bill Bollinger
> > www.gsxn.com

Bill Bollinge

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by Bill Bollinge » Sun, 07 Mar 2004 14:33:03

http://www.dmp-trucks.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1794


> On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 08:35:56 -0500, "Bill Bollinger"

> >I guess that is why Dale Jr. just posted on his site that it is more
> >accurate.  He wouldn't know would he?

> Which forum is that in?  I don't see that post.

> Jason

Bill Bollinge

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by Bill Bollinge » Sun, 07 Mar 2004 14:34:37

Fixing that straight away speeds and cornering speeds can be fixed with
track edits.  We can also make two groove tracks.

Bill Bollinger
www.gsxn.com


> On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:34:33 -0500, "David G Fisher"

> >I read at a forum (not sure which one) that he said recently on his web
site
> >that the real Cup cars have more grip than they do in the game.

> >Anyone know for sure if he said this?

> Yes he did.  I agree with him.

> IMHO top speeds in N2003 are too high and cornering speeds are too
> low.  The lines you drive in the trucks are a lot closer to reality
> for cup cars, going by interviews and television coverage, altho the
> power to grip ratio seems a tad low (comparing CTS-physics to cup cars
> not trucks).  This would possibly explain why road course and short
> track times tend to be higher than reality while speedway times are
> faster.  In reality, the cup cars can drive a track like Atlanta flat
> out for the first few laps of a tire run, yet their times are slower
> than what we see in the sim.  If I had to guess, I'd guess that both
> drag and grip are still too low, even post-patch.

> Jason

Mitch_

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by Mitch_ » Mon, 08 Mar 2004 03:36:01

Are you trying to tell me something Bill ;)


> It will NOT happen with two studs on the bottom.



> > I didnt qualify how many it takes to make the high line work did I?  It
> > works if you get a few guys to stick with it high.  Will two guys high
> pass
> > 3 guys low, no.  Will three guys high pass 2 guys low, yea Ive done it
and
> > seen it many many times.

> > Mitch

Jan Verschuere

Trans-Am Mod

by Jan Verschuere » Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:28:47

No shit, Holmes...

Sucks, doesn't it? <g>

I knew some of them quite well due to my racing with ESCORS. I had
particularly high hopes for Thompson as the setup felt really comfortable
for me, but Huggings was there and I got caught up in some on-track stuff
which is best forgotten. <g>

David, let's not get into a discussion about adjectives. The "reasonably
good drivers"-bit was a link to an earlier discussion on the difference to
what one can get away with in sims vs real life (and where I really got
obnoxious) as an in-joke for Fran?ois, but, looking at the greater picture
and judging by my experience of drivers who run in the top series, it's not
that far off the mark, I'm afraid. If you look at our GPLRanks and
MonsterRanks in the distribution, we're all average or just above average at
best. It's sobering to look at it this way, I know, but if you ask the guys
on my list whether they think they're doing anything really special, I doubt
you'd get a "yes".

There's no perception about that. I think it's pretty clear things go right
by sheer luck rather frequently and, in most of the overtaking manouvres,
success is more dependant on the goodwill and skill of the one being
overtaken, than the other way around.

If some of us slower guys were to actually defend our track position there
wouldn't be any green flag running. Look at me vs Hal at Rockingham for an
example. After having passed me and held me up considerably earlier on in
the race, I made him work for it the next time around. Really dumb of me,
obviously, as sure enough he got me and I was the one that spun out. I've
basically stopped racing some people out of an instict for self-preservation
and a desire for our races to have few yellows.

It's gotten beyond silly: they go 2/10ths quicker in qualifying and then
seem to assume they're enough quicker to pass at will in the race. That's
utter bullshit: one can't get enough of an advantage into a turn without
sliding up into me if I decide to put up a fight, end of story, so one
should sit and wait for a mistake (I do make those, ya know). Yet this
tactic is employed over and over and over again... drives me up the wall
(and up near the wall) no end. And when I do decide to hold my ground, I
"block"... oh please, just grow up!!

It is in my nature to let people around if I feel I'm holding them up, but
for some the slightest whiff of a slipstream is enough to make them feel
like Superman and I'm left with the choice of lifting or having an accident
at the very first turn we get to together. ---> NO RESPECT.

Come back and talk to me when most of you have two series wins under your
belts.

Admittently, there's very little chance of me winning RASCAR. There's just
too much trouble and I'm not quick enough to outrun it (and I can't make all
of the races).

Water off a duck's back, no problem.

Hey!! -Not bad, seeing as it was unintentional. <vbg>

Jan.
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Haqsa

Trans-Am Mod

by Haqsa » Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:07:35

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.  Please enlighten me,
privately.


David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:09:52


I don't know much about GPLRanks and MonsterRanks. I do know that I checked
my times in the TA/TPTCC series with the VRW times (since those drivers were
referenced earlier in this thread) for Kyalami and Mosport (only two we've
both raced), and I'd easily be competitive for a top 3 Q time. They used
open setups as well. Don't know what my times would be if I could tweak the
setups to fit me better, or if I actually practiced more than the little I
do.

David G Fisher

Tony Rickar

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by Tony Rickar » Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:30:06


> I don't know much about GPLRanks and MonsterRanks. I do know that I
> checked my times in the TA/TPTCC series with the VRW times (since
> those drivers were > referenced earlier in this thread) for Kyalami
> and Mosport (only two we've both raced), and I'd easily be
> competitive for a top 3 Q time.
> They used open setups as well. Don't know what my times would be
> if I could tweak the setups to fit me better, or if I actually
> practiced more than the little I do.

I think you have missed Jan's point about the "reasonable" drivers group
being fairly average in out and out speed. I am sure we all have our own
list of drivers we are happy to race wheel to wheel with and I am sure they
are all different. I am also sure we have different criteria, but I know who
I would trust to go in deep on the brakes side by side with.

Stats can't show you racecraft. FWIW from my limited experience racing with
you I'd certainly rate you as a quality racer, but then it is Jan's
personal list and we each have one of those so I wouldn't worry about it :)

Cheers
Tony


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