rec.autos.simulators

> Whatever guys.  Drive how you like, I don't care.
> So using a shifter is an advantage as well, how you plan to control that?

> > Whatever guys.  Drive how you like, I don't care.
> > So using a shifter is an advantage as well, how you plan to control
that?

> No need to control it! It's ***y well more realistic, you twit! :) If
> people want to spend money on hardware that makes sim racing more
> realistic, that great, good on 'em.

> > What about a fast PC and larger monitor?  Racing frame and seat? ;)

> What about it?

> I just want forced***pit views that cannot be worked around by cheats!
> What's wrong with that?

> I wouldn't mind forced shifter servers, or even forced heel & toe
> servers. I want my racing to be as close to the real thing as possible,
> and I'd like to be able to offer a server with a level playing field for
> others that like the more *** approach too.

> Exactly, each view has advantages/disadvantages over the others but no one
> view gives an unfair advantage to any driver IMHO.  

> Fine and I said if it was forced that I had no issue with that and was
> against cheats.  I just pointed out that***pit view wasn't the be all and
> end all.  I guess I'll just go one being a twit and let you guys run the
> group and dictate what is "real".

> > Fine and I said if it was forced that I had no issue with that and was
> > against cheats.  I just pointed out that***pit view wasn't the be all
and
> > end all.  I guess I'll just go one being a twit and let you guys run the
> > group and dictate what is "real".

> Just admit roof view gives you an unrealistic advantage in being able to
> over a bent hood and further ahead. Could you do that?

> Gerry

> > Exactly, each view has advantages/disadvantages over the others but no
one
> > view gives an unfair advantage to any driver IMHO.

> Rubbish!

> > I have raced in leagues
> > where the choice is up to the driver and no one view seems to win all
the
> > races, in fact it is pretty equal among all views with the top 10 always
> > being a mix.  The***pit view has a wider field of vision than the roof
and
> > also provides more feedback due to the movement of the car that is
> > displayed, the roof view is a bit higher but has less field of view,

> Make your mind up, you were saying this the other day:

> Schooner wrote, only just the other day, that roof cam has better
> peripheral vision:

> > I fail to see how have better peripheral vision (knowing when a car
> > is beside you) and being able to seee over a crumple hood is a bad
> > thing.  Forcing***pit view is just plain stupid and dangerous to
> > other online drivers.  For road racing, I roof-race so that I can see
> > a little farther down the track.

> The only thing that is 'plain stupid' is you.

> But back to you present:

> > the
> > chase view has a wide field of view but is too high for some and there
is
> > less sense of speed or feel for the car.
> > Leagues that want to enforce a view are fine by me

> Me too.

> > but as for the whole
> > realism thing I don't think***pit view makes it any more real than say
> > roof view.

> But you can see over a bent hood in roof cam, and that is unrealistic.

> > It is a personal preference.  I would never enforce it in my
> > league nor would I run in a league that did.

> Your choice, and of course the cheats can just do what they like ATM.

> > Typically those that want to
> > enforce the***pit view are those that have run it for years and thus
are
> > use to it and have an advantage.

> Yep, I've been driving my real car that way for years, so I guess I
> guilty. <ROLLS EYES>

> > Personally I like the variety and to me
> > the roof view is a more real vision of reality.

> Apart from the ability to look over the hood, further down the track and
> over the car in front! Your reality is different to mine, obviously.
> <ROLLS EYE AGAIN>

> Gerry

> >    May I ask what makes you such an expert on what is or isn't an
> advantage
> > on the sim racing track  ?

> >  IMO  anyone who thinks that roof riding, [where "little johnny" can see
> for
> > friggin' miles in all directions] does not offer am UNFAIR advantage,
> should
> > give himself  a little shake .

> > -=JL

> So, just because you can SEE "for friggin' miles" as you so eloquently put
> it, do you actually think that, that person can GET to that spot they are
> LOOKING at before a "Cage Driver" does? If you do you have a LOT to learn
> about Sim Racing. Given that they are both running fixed setup, the better
> driver will always get there first irregardless of which View he is using.
> And if it is open setup it is opened up to even more variables, none of
> which include which view either of them are using. Just because you can
SEE
> it doesnt mean you can GET there any faster.

> - Isotrip?

> Yes !  , and I would like to "eloquently" add......... there's no such
word
> as "irregardless"  ! !

> -=JL

> > >    May I ask what makes you such an expert on what is or isn't an
> > advantage
> > > on the sim racing track  ?

> > >  IMO  anyone who thinks that roof riding, [where "little johnny" can
see
> > for
> > > friggin' miles in all directions] does not offer am UNFAIR advantage,
> > should
> > > give himself  a little shake .

> > > -=JL

> > So, just because you can SEE "for friggin' miles" as you so eloquently
put
> > it, do you actually think that, that person can GET to that spot they
are
> > LOOKING at before a "Cage Driver" does? If you do you have a LOT to
learn
> > about Sim Racing. Given that they are both running fixed setup, the
better
> > driver will always get there first irregardless of which View he is
using.
> > And if it is open setup it is opened up to even more variables, none of
> > which include which view either of them are using. Just because you can
> SEE
> > it doesnt mean you can GET there any faster.

> > - Isotrip?

> Gerry,

> I know you try hard to make your point and prove other wrong but the next
> time you quote me how about using a quote from me as opposed to someone else
> and then saying I contradicted myself.

> > Gerry,

> > I know you try hard to make your point and prove other wrong but the next
> > time you quote me how about using a quote from me as opposed to someone else
> > and then saying I contradicted myself.

> Your quit write, of course. I made an honest mistake, very sorry about
> that.

> Gerry

> > >ARCADE RACER!!  ARCADE RACER!!

> > >Why don't you stick to Roadblasters, John? =)

> > >(I'm kidding here)

> > >Jason

> > Yea, but the truth is in the jest. He already said so he can see
> > further down the track which is giving him an advatntage. Also the
> > roof view gives you a better view of the cars along side you compared
> > to***pit view so it is an unfare advantage. Not my opinion, but
> > fact.

> The depth perception sucks in computer games.  when a relatively flat
> road surface disappears in the distance, it looks like it just drops
> away.

> > > >ARCADE RACER!!  ARCADE RACER!!

> > > >Why don't you stick to Roadblasters, John? =)

> > > >(I'm kidding here)

> > > >Jason

> > > Yea, but the truth is in the jest. He already said so he can see
> > > further down the track which is giving him an advatntage. Also the
> > > roof view gives you a better view of the cars along side you compared
> > > to***pit view so it is an unfare advantage. Not my opinion, but
> > > fact.

> > The depth perception sucks in computer games.  when a relatively flat
> > road surface disappears in the distance, it looks like it just drops
> > away.

> Irrelevant, but anyway...

> I think you mean, it sucks on small monitors. Try a large monitor,
> fresnal lens, 3D glasses and you'll find it won't.

> Gerry

> Actually irregardless is a word and means the same thign as regardless.  It
> is a common misconception that it is not a real english word however that is
> not correct.  Although I'm sure Mr Aitken will quote me as saying
> differently ;-)