rec.autos.simulators

by **Magnulu** » Sun, 26 May 2002 09:39:55

"Whine, Whine... ***, Moan..."...

I'm not going to even buy the PC version. Waste of money. I'd have to
shell out for an overpriced PC game controller, when the Playstation's
already works good enough.

powerups, flashing damage indicators (in GTA3 it's only on the health at
least, but in most, if not all, console games the character flashes)--it's
just all so damn kiddieish, just like console games are mostly developed
for: kids and immature ***s.
console elements. One reason I like PC games: they tend to be directed
towards (and developed by) mature kids and ***s for the most part. :)
hacked to allow in-mission saving...

> > > The thing I always disliked when I played it on the PS2 was that if
you
> > > failed a mission, you had to go all the way back to meet up again with
the
> > > person who gave you the mission just you they could give it to you
again.

> > So don't fail. Anyway that is what happened in GTA 1&2, and probably in
PC
> > GTA 3 as well (I don't know because I haven't played the PC version).

by **drin** » Sun, 26 May 2002 09:48:46

they purposely added control with mouse and keyboard because its BETTEr than
the console type controller. if you use a mouse you get to aim your gun
easily and its great damnit

> "Whine, Whine... ***, Moan..."...

> I'm not going to even buy the PC version. Waste of money. I'd have to
> shell out for an overpriced PC game controller, when the Playstation's
> already works good enough.

> > Yes, it happens on the PC version too, and I hate it.

> > All this console ***is stupid: limited saves, bouncing/floating
> powerups, flashing damage indicators (in GTA3 it's only on the health at
> least, but in most, if not all, console games the character flashes)--it's
> just all so damn kiddieish, just like console games are mostly developed
> for: kids and immature ***s.

> > Granted, GTA3 is fairly non-kiddie, but it still has the above kiddie
> console elements. One reason I like PC games: they tend to be directed
> towards (and developed by) mature kids and ***s for the most part. :)

> > At least with the PC version there's a glimmer of hope that it can be
> hacked to allow in-mission saving...

> > > > The thing I always disliked when I played it on the PS2 was that if
> you
> > > > failed a mission, you had to go all the way back to meet up again
with
> the
> > > > person who gave you the mission just you they could give it to you
> again.

> > > So don't fail. Anyway that is what happened in GTA 1&2, and probably
in
> PC
> > > GTA 3 as well (I don't know because I haven't played the PC version).

by **Magnulu** » Sun, 26 May 2002 10:52:47

Yeah, but driving a car with a mouse? I can't imagine that.

> they purposely added control with mouse and keyboard because its BETTEr
than
> the console type controller. if you use a mouse you get to aim your gun
> easily and its great damnit

> > "Whine, Whine... ***, Moan..."...

> > I'm not going to even buy the PC version. Waste of money. I'd have
to
> > shell out for an overpriced PC game controller, when the Playstation's
> > already works good enough.

> > > Yes, it happens on the PC version too, and I hate it.

> > > All this console ***is stupid: limited saves, bouncing/floating
> > powerups, flashing damage indicators (in GTA3 it's only on the health at
> > least, but in most, if not all, console games the character
flashes)--it's
> > just all so damn kiddieish, just like console games are mostly developed
> > for: kids and immature ***s.

> > > Granted, GTA3 is fairly non-kiddie, but it still has the above kiddie
> > console elements. One reason I like PC games: they tend to be directed
> > towards (and developed by) mature kids and ***s for the most part. :)

> > > At least with the PC version there's a glimmer of hope that it can be
> > hacked to allow in-mission saving...

> > > > > The thing I always disliked when I played it on the PS2 was that
if
> > you
> > > > > failed a mission, you had to go all the way back to meet up again
> with
> > the
> > > > > person who gave you the mission just you they could give it to you
> > again.

> > > > So don't fail. Anyway that is what happened in GTA 1&2, and probably
> in
> > PC
> > > > GTA 3 as well (I don't know because I haven't played the PC
version).

by **Destro** » Sun, 26 May 2002 11:16:38

> Yeah, but driving a car with a mouse? I can't imagine that.

Imagine it pretty much sucking ass.

by **Eep2** » Sun, 26 May 2002 12:40:55

The problem is that it's not about liking or disliking a game, but ENJOYING playing it. At the very least these console "gimmicks" should be OPTIONAL in PC ports.

> I don't get what the problem is, if you like a game buy it, if not don't. It
> really is that simple.

> > No, I'd be happier if PC ports didn't include these things. :)

by **Eep2** » Sun, 26 May 2002 12:43:27

So use a wheel joystick--der. Granted, Rockstar didn't include joystick tweaking options (sensitivity, dead zone, etc)--more console portilitis!

> Yeah, but driving a car with a mouse? I can't imagine that.

> > they purposely added control with mouse and keyboard because its BETTEr than
> > the console type controller. if you use a mouse you get to aim your gun
> > easily and its great damnit

> > > "Whine, Whine... ***, Moan..."...

> > > I'm not going to even buy the PC version. Waste of money. I'd have to
> > > shell out for an overpriced PC game controller, when the Playstation's
> > > already works good enough.

> > > > Yes, it happens on the PC version too, and I hate it.

by **Destro** » Sun, 26 May 2002 12:55:15

> So use a wheel joystick--der. Granted, Rockstar didn't include joystick
> tweaking options (sensitivity, dead zone, etc)--more console portilitis!

Case and point, there is a race mission that took me 5 times to finally
beat cause I can't steer the freaking car properly with a wheel
or joystick!!

by **drin** » Sun, 26 May 2002 14:09:35

use the keyboard to drive it works fine

> Yeah, but driving a car with a mouse? I can't imagine that.

> > they purposely added control with mouse and keyboard because its BETTEr
> than
> > the console type controller. if you use a mouse you get to aim your gun
> > easily and its great damnit

> > > "Whine, Whine... ***, Moan..."...

> > > I'm not going to even buy the PC version. Waste of money. I'd have
> to
> > > shell out for an overpriced PC game controller, when the Playstation's
> > > already works good enough.

> > > > Yes, it happens on the PC version too, and I hate it.

> > > > All this console ***is stupid: limited saves, bouncing/floating
> > > powerups, flashing damage indicators (in GTA3 it's only on the health
at
> > > least, but in most, if not all, console games the character
> flashes)--it's
> > > just all so damn kiddieish, just like console games are mostly
developed
> > > for: kids and immature ***s.

> > > > Granted, GTA3 is fairly non-kiddie, but it still has the above
kiddie
> > > console elements. One reason I like PC games: they tend to be directed
> > > towards (and developed by) mature kids and ***s for the most part.
:)

> > > > At least with the PC version there's a glimmer of hope that it can
be
> > > hacked to allow in-mission saving...

> > > > > > The thing I always disliked when I played it on the PS2 was that
> if
> > > you
> > > > > > failed a mission, you had to go all the way back to meet up
again
> > with
> > > the
> > > > > > person who gave you the mission just you they could give it to
you
> > > again.

> > > > > So don't fail. Anyway that is what happened in GTA 1&2, and
probably
> > in
> > > PC
> > > > > GTA 3 as well (I don't know because I haven't played the PC
> version).

by **Destro** » Sun, 26 May 2002 14:31:13

> use the keyboard to drive it works fine

Thats like saying use your steering wheel in walk mode; it just aint
right. <sigh>

by **Magnulu** » Sun, 26 May 2002 16:29:55

powerups, flashing damage indicators (in GTA3 it's only on the health at
least, but in most, if not all, console games the character flashes)--it's
just all so damn kiddieish, just like console games are mostly developed
for: kids and immature ***s.

Quake, Serious Sam, and Unreal Tournament have floating powerups.

Consoles are not just for kids? That's just a stereotype.

I used to think that way, Eep; consoles are for kids or the braindead.
Mostly because I hadn't owned one ever, and I didn't think much of when all
my friends were playing Mario or sports games, and I was playing Pirates.

Well, a few weeks ago I took the plunge and bought a Playstation 2 and it
has really opened my eyes. I haven't seen a *** system this good since
the Commodore Amiga in the variety of games. PC's, on the other hand, seem
to have stagnated with first-person shooters qualifying as "action games",
mostly they seem to have become tech demos for folks who want to show off
their hardware. PS2 has a larger selection of games than what you will find
on the PC, with the possible exception of strategy games and flight sims
(but I have seen Civ II and Red Alert for Playstation, and there are fantasy
flying games), and it is backwards compatible with Playstation games. I
picked up a small library of Playstation 1 games like Bushido Blade,, Metal
Gear Solid, Tenchu, Tekken 3, Soul Blade, Silent Hill, Resident Evil... they
are all good, and there's not much like them on the PC. I bought Final
Fantasy X for 20 dollars at a video store and I'm enjoying it alot.

by **Andre Warring** » Sun, 26 May 2002 17:17:48

You can use the wheel for driving and keys/mouse to walk/look.
Long live the PC :)

Andre

by **Andre Warring** » Sun, 26 May 2002 17:18:56

Err.. how do you open the backdoor? Or am I missing the joke here :)

Andre

by **Andre Warring** » Sun, 26 May 2002 17:19:59

On Fri, 24 May 2002 18:52:13 GMT, "Milhouse"

>Ram harder then. ;)

>Are you just using any car or what? Mafia Sentinels work well for this if
>you want more speed, or just steal a big truck and get it done in a few
>hits. Once you get in the truck, you're basically home free.

I got into the truck a coupe of times, 2-3 times, but every time when
I was in the truck the game crashed. It crashes a lot, about every 30
minutes, quite anoying :-/

Andre

by **Eep2** » Sun, 26 May 2002 18:07:21

> > Yes, it happens on the PC version too, and I hate it.

> > All this console ***is stupid: limited saves, bouncing/floating
> powerups, flashing damage indicators (in GTA3 it's only on the health at
> least, but in most, if not all, console games the character flashes)--it's
> just all so damn kiddieish, just like console games are mostly developed
> for: kids and immature ***s.

> Quake, Serious Sam, and Unreal Tournament have floating powerups.

Yes, and I don't play any of them (but not JUST because of these).

A stereotype continually reinforced by the majority of console games.

I stopped dorking with consoles since the 8-bit Nintendo back in the late 1980s and only after a VERY brief stint of Tomb Raider on a friend's Playstation (but soon after the PC version came out which easily blew away the Playstation one) I have NEVER looked back.

All of this is irrelevant for the simple fact that PC games are modifiable/hackable/extractable, have more variety in game genres: strategy, action, adventure, RPG, simulation, etc, and are MUCH more cost effective (PC vs console). Consoles are for kids and immature ***s who can't handle REAL *** machines: PCs--PERIOD.

by **Milhous** » Sun, 26 May 2002 18:23:52

> On Fri, 24 May 2002 18:52:13 GMT, "Milhouse"

> >Ram harder then. ;)

> >Are you just using any car or what? Mafia Sentinels work well for this
if
> >you want more speed, or just steal a big truck and get it done in a few
> >hits. Once you get in the truck, you're basically home free.

> I got into the truck a coupe of times, 2-3 times, but every time when
> I was in the truck the game crashed. It crashes a lot, about every 30
> minutes, quite anoying :-/

> Andre

Do you have all of the latest XP patches? I haven't had any crashes at all
on mine...

Milhouse

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