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It was all I could do not to wreck everyone else.

Turn off the freakin traction control next time and it won't be so obvious.  I did not 'block' you on the restart, I moved over,
passing others, at the S/F.  Um, a half mile before T1 I might add.

If John doesn't kick your sorry ass out for that, I'll make it my mission to move you each and every time, until I get kicked out.

Guys like you are why people don't race pickups.

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

wide, you did it late, and you drove in too hard and washed
I had to avoid cause of you.
obvious.  I did not 'block' you on the restart, I moved over,
to move you each and every time, until I get kicked out.

LOL...this should be good................................

Short track tempers at a 2.5mile oval. <g>

And there's about 4 guys bent out of shape over the race... prime RAS
viewing coming up! ;-)

Jan.
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Well, guys.  Here is my take.  I said something to Larry last week and his
response was, "On green I go".
That is fair enough I guess, If you like to wreck.....

Dave and Tim both went on green ok,  but from way back.  They were almost at
full race speed by the time they both passed me just past the start finish
line.  I was at the back of the pack.   So the rest of the field is barely
getting up to speed, slowing into one when these two Kamikazi's come flyin
in.  I don't know about anyone getting put in the wall but these are not
necessary.   I was damaged in quite a few restart blowups, I don't mind so
much but I would like to know what it is like to have a fighting chance.
The body of my car looked ok but I could not drive fast at all.  Then around
lap fifty I pitted on a caution just so I could make it to the end, when I
left the pits I no longer had third gear, as soon as I shifted into third
coming on the track it started shimmying and shaking and over-revving
:-(  From that point on I was a chicane, not really as I thought I could
beat the leaders to the checkers.  Wish I had parked it now as I had nothing
to gain really and ended up causing the final caution, not only no race to
checker but BOTH leaders hit me :-(   Very Sorry about that.  I have no idea
what happened, went into the corner and just kept sliding, nothing helped.
I finally looped it right back up the track and played merry go round for a
while.  I had no idea what had happened till I watched the replay.
Oh and just to get this out of my system.  Tim, you drive good ok, but
damnit you were doing the same kind of kamikaze pass on me when your "engine
blew" and you spun up the track right in front of me.  A little patience
would go a long way toward all of us completing and competing instead of
pacing these races.   I was as fast as anyone in the corners and was giving
ample room to pass on the straights.

Damnit all to Hell!  One of these days, one of these days I will run a
competitive race (thinking "little engine that could").

Sean  #12

What appears to you as "kamikaze" is merely people that were a lot
faster than you (and me).

On the other hand, people who are good enough to enter the turns that fast
are good enough to realise that others may not be good enough to deal with
finding another car on a piece of road they had intended on using.

I am one of the slower drivers in RASCAR and I will make no excuses for it.
I won the SOAR Look-Ahead-Series last year because I participated in every
race and stuck them out to take away top ten finishes as people ruined their
chances getting into incidents. I currently lead the ESCORS "Dutch All Pro"
Touring series in much the same way. I'm not the quickest driver of the
bunch, but (also seeing as both are/were open setup) I am the most
consistent finisher.

Anyway... if no-one has a fender on me at turn-in, I will turn in at my
speed, using my chosen line and anybody coming up behind will have to deal
with that. Sometimes, when someone is gaining on me hand over***or a
habitually faster driver is behind me on a restart, I will stay high and
present an opportunity in order not to lose time with regard to those whom
my fight is really with, but that's about it.

When it comes down to the crunch, then following driver has the better
overview of the situation and must act accordingly, IMO.

Jan.
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Both of the runs I am referring to as Kamikaze were on restarts going into
the corner.  I also realize that a lot of straight away speed does not
always translate into good corner traction.  I have learned that the hard
way.  Just because you can charge fast down the straight does not mean you
can then dive under a car to pass in the corner and expect to keep the car
on line.
I have been told I need to learn how to drive to avoid being a menace on the
track.  The point I am trying to make is that the experienced drivers need
to use their head as well.  I have seen far too many incidents in RASCAR
where drivers are making moves just because they have speed when the wise
thing to do would be to back off and wait for an opening.  I think if we
could get more drivers to do that we would have far less yellows.
I personally take it easy on restarts, I will let everyone behind me pass if
I have to ( and usually do ) in order to keep plenty of distance to try and
avoid incidents.  This strategy alone is getting me to the end of races,
even if I do end up a bit worse for wear.
Yeah, yeah, I know I am a rook and should keep my place.  I am not trying to
put anyone down.  It isn't even wrong so much, just not conducive to green
flag racing.  Consider warp, connection rate, even other drivers skill.  I
think many/most of these fast guys would finish better and happier if they
wait for an opening and let the traffic thin.

                Sean  #12

If you do, would you mind clipping it from right beofre the restart of that
lap until after T1 and then sending it to me?

His threats have me extremely pissed off. He's also accusing me of using
traction control in order to race wrecklessly. I don't use traction control.

wide, you did it late, and you drove in too hard and washed
I had to avoid cause of you.
obvious.  I did not 'block' you on the restart, I moved over,
to move you each and every time, until I get kicked out.

I don't have the replay yet, but I do know that right before the green, you
messaged something like "no jumping". I didn't jump you at the start, it was
clean, but you then blocked me fromt he right side of the track all the way
down the straight to the very left side of the track.

I guess you just don't like someone trying to pass you on a restart???

Too bad. It happens.

Now way was I going to let you get away with that shit. I took a very low
line into T1 because that's all I had available due to you and your blocking
the whole front straight. I'm not getting pushed around on the track by you
or anyone else.

I passed someone on every restart and no one moved over on me like you did.
I passed JS on the very next restart, and he acted correctly.

I WAS NOT USING traction control so I could drive wrecklessly and take
chances, so go***yourself.

I've probably caused the fewest yellows of any of the RASCAR regulars, even
last year when I had multiple screen freezes in almost every race. Don't
***en accuse me of driving like some driver in a pickup race.

Your threat to wreck me ("watch your back 19") was seen by everyone and
should result in you being banned. You did it again in this thread.

Somebody better do something about you because I better not see you do one
mother ***ing thing on the track around me that looks even slightly
suspicious.

David G Fisher

Open mouth, insert foot.  Yeah, I went back and watched it again.  You were
both in front of me on the restart.  I still say you both went in way too
hot fighting for position in the first corner of a restart.  It was the
restart right after this one that Tim, I believe missed a shift  and lost it
going into the corner hot on a restart.  Engine smoke started after the tire
smoke did.
As for replays, I do have it.  I think you may want to base any issues you
two have on the server replay instead of an individual one.  I also put it
to the admins whether or not I should jump in the middle of this discussion
by providing any replays.

Sean #12

Again, go***yourself.

David G Fisher

But in all honesty I don't think the two wrecks were the same.  When my engine blew, possibly me being trigger happy with the gears,
or some earlier damage, I'm pretty sure I was already pass you.

For the record, you will NOT see me hit the gas before the spotter says 'green'; never.  I defie anyone to present a replay showing
otherwise.

As well, anyone who throttles thru the gears on a rs at Pocono is asking to get passed.  If someone else cannot get thru the gears
as quick as others, then restarts at Pocono are about as simple to pass as any other track being it's the longest straitaway in WC.
And because of that it can also be the safest time to pass on that track.  There is plenty of time to decide whether or not to back
off before T1.  AND I did my share of staying in line early on doing just that.

What David did was different.  He never passed me until well into the turn.  He ran as low as he could heading into the turn, making
it 3 wide at the last possible moment, when everyone is braking from 190mph and about to shift.  And he lost it driving it too hard
right when I hit him.

His excuse, of course, is me blocking him on a restart, which I also want to see.  If it happened,  I'll bet you your lunch money it
was right before the turn, and not in the middle of the track.  I didn't block Ginger when I got dive bombed in T3 and I got into
the wall with damage trying to get out it's way.

So please explain to me just how many times am I supposed to put up with that in less than 30 laps?

David and I were not in last place, more than half the field is behind us.  Someone is on the outside of me, just starting to back
off I believe.  So staying low and on the throttle is the only place I could safely go once top gun decides it's *** or fight.

Oh, and there's one other difference between what I did to you and what David did to me;
I apologized for mine.

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

But hey, if you think your wreckless too, than at least we agree on that.

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

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Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

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