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by **John Simmon** » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:46:15

> Meanwhile someone farther ahead wrecks, and we're back under yellow again.
> What I don't understand is how the hell people can go so much faster than me on
> the restarts. We all have the same gearing, so that's not it. I hit the gas
> as soon as we get green, but I lost spots on damn near every restart. People
> are 5-7 mph faster than me at the line, and that just doesn't make any sense.
> I don't get it...

Were you starting in 2nd or 3rd Eldred? 2nd was the best choice.

by **John Simmon** » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:52:25

In article

> > There's no need to "fear" racing in RASCAR because you
> > might make a mistake

> > Percentage of racetime run under yellow: 70.61

> I see you're right! Looks like me and my "do I turn right now?" skills
> would fit in nicely :-)

> To be serious though, I have nowhere near enough laps in N2003 to risk
> messing up anything other than the most low-key of pickup races. I
> applaud your collective efforts to improve RASCAR standards though.

> Andrew McP

Judging by the number of cautions we have, nobody that's already in
RASCAR does either. :)

by **grub** » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:59:50

I have noticed that some drivers are getting a run on people at the restart
and then passing at the first turn. A division that I raced at last year had
a "rule" that said no passing before the first turn. This eliminated the
wrecks there but you still have racers who take risk and makes the other
driver want to block which is a bad deal too. As long as moderate damage is
in place, I think these risk-takers are going to keep doing what they do
best because they have little to loose.
grub

> >Open mouth, insert foot. Yeah, I went back and watched it again. You
were
> >both in front of me on the restart. I still say you both went in way too
> >hot fighting for position in the first corner of a restart. It was the
> >restart right after this one that Tim, I believe missed a shift and lost
it
> >going into the corner hot on a restart. Engine smoke started after the
tire
> >smoke did.

> The lap 20 'incident' that Tim refers to involved me. I was in 7th ahead
of
> Tim, who was ahead of David. They both get a good run down the straight.
Tim
> takes the inside and slows a bit to avoid hitting me in the turn. David
sees a
> chance to take advantage of Tim's lost momentum and goes farther inside.
When
> I heard "3-wide", I hit the brakes. 2 spots lost. David drifts high, Tim
> dives back inside. They make contact, get sideways, but don't crash. I
lock
> up trying to keep from punting Tim. 3 MORE cars go by on the inside, and
the
> lost momentum eventually costs me a couple more spots.
> Meanwhile someone farther ahead wrecks, and we're back under yellow again.
> What I don't understand is how the hell people can go so much faster than
me on
> the restarts. We all have the same gearing, so that's not it. I hit the
gas
> as soon as we get green, but I lost spots on damn near every restart.
People
> are 5-7 mph faster than me at the line, and that just doesn't make any
sense.
> I don't get it...

> Eldred
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by **grub** » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:10:48

And if you do wait till he's asleep, make sure you video tape what you do to
dad. I busted a gut watching this kid videotape waking his dad with his
loudspeakers and rock band. What was even funnier was that mom helped him do
it!

> Is he bigger than you? If not he owes you one, cause you were gonna be
tough to
> beat.
> If he is bigger than you wait till he's asleep :)

> --
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> www.intracmotorsports.com

> > hi.

> > i was mad cause my dad decided to pick a fight with me while i was
racing.
> > so im sorry for losing it. but i really wanted to win this one i was
pretty
> > fast :-(

by **John Simmon** » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:48:08

We don't have "rules" that extend beyond what the sim itself
enforces. Making such a rule won't solve anything in RASCAR because
most of the restart cautions are caused by people not being able to
handle their cars in anything other than optimal conditions - NOT by
over-aggressive passing moves.

The real problem on restarts is that only a nandful of cars are doing
anything close to the actual pace speed when the green flag drops. I
think the sim is too liberal on it's parameters for a restart. It
should take into account how fast everyone is going and how far apart
they are. If all the criteria for a restart are not met, you should
get another caution lap.

by **Andrew MacPhers** » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:08:00

> Judging by the number of cautions we have, nobody that's already in
> RASCAR does either. :)

Heh. I think you could improve the situation by forcing everyone to race
with at least *one* major injury. Pain's great for putting things in
perspective :-)

And no, getting earache off your partner for racing too much wouldn't
count.

Andrew McP

by **Mike Grand** » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:12:57

There should be no acceleration by anyone til the green flag flies, thus
eliminating the jumped restarts.

> I have noticed that some drivers are getting a run on people at the
restart
> and then passing at the first turn. A division that I raced at last year
had
> a "rule" that said no passing before the first turn. This eliminated the
> wrecks there but you still have racers who take risk and makes the other
> driver want to block which is a bad deal too. As long as moderate damage
is
> in place, I think these risk-takers are going to keep doing what they do
> best because they have little to loose.
> grub

> > >Open mouth, insert foot. Yeah, I went back and watched it again. You
> were
> > >both in front of me on the restart. I still say you both went in way
too
> > >hot fighting for position in the first corner of a restart. It was the
> > >restart right after this one that Tim, I believe missed a shift and
lost
> it
> > >going into the corner hot on a restart. Engine smoke started after the
> tire
> > >smoke did.

> > The lap 20 'incident' that Tim refers to involved me. I was in 7th
ahead
> of
> > Tim, who was ahead of David. They both get a good run down the
straight.
> Tim
> > takes the inside and slows a bit to avoid hitting me in the turn. David
> sees a
> > chance to take advantage of Tim's lost momentum and goes farther inside.
> When
> > I heard "3-wide", I hit the brakes. 2 spots lost. David drifts high,
Tim
> > dives back inside. They make contact, get sideways, but don't crash. I
> lock
> > up trying to keep from punting Tim. 3 MORE cars go by on the inside,
and
> the
> > lost momentum eventually costs me a couple more spots.
> > Meanwhile someone farther ahead wrecks, and we're back under yellow
again.
> > What I don't understand is how the hell people can go so much faster
than
> me on
> > the restarts. We all have the same gearing, so that's not it. I hit
the
> gas
> > as soon as we get green, but I lost spots on damn near every restart.
> People
> > are 5-7 mph faster than me at the line, and that just doesn't make any
> sense.
> > I don't get it...

> > Eldred
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> > homepage)
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by **Ed Solhei** » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:20:50

I've been asking for such a rule for a long time - but noone seem to
understand it's benefits or even want "rules". So I've given up.

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:13:00

>I have noticed that some drivers are getting a run on people at the restart
>and then passing at the first turn. A division that I raced at last year had
>a "rule" that said no passing before the first turn.

I hate rules like that. Although it would benefit me(because I always lose
spots), it would stack up the field behind me on every start... And, it's too
artificial.

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:13:03

>Summary of yellow flag statistics:
>Number of yellows: 11
>Number of yellow flag laps: 41
>Percentage of racelaps run under yellow: 50.62
>Total time run under yellow: 92m26.532s
>Percentage of racetime run under yellow: 70.61

I forgot to ask - how did you get those stats?

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:13:02

writes:

I tried that a couple of times, and I found that 'short-calibrating' caused me
to get excessive wheelspin when I got back on the gas. I may try it again,
though.

Couldn't tell you, honestly... I usually shift by sound.

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:13:02

>I'm right there with ya. Did you catch my comment on how slow my car
>seemed?

We're just doing *something* wrong, man... :-(

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:13:03

>Well, sort of, I was non-plussed at letting a lead lap car by only to have
>him trip me up in the next turn, but I didn't really cut loose. <g>

Which reminds me: your chat question to the effect of "Why pass me if you can't
carry speed through the tunnel turn?"
Maybe he was slower there because he was offline after passing you. Or, maybe
that was the only place he was slower. If I'm slower than a driver in one
spot, but I can get by and hold him off in that spot, I'd make the pass, too.
Then I have the whole rest of the lap to try to extend the lead before we get
back to the spot that *he's* faster...

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:13:02

>> Somebody better do something about you because I better not see you do one
>> mother ***ing thing on the track around me that looks even slightly
>> suspicious.

>So you slammed it into T1, risking everyone else, beside us, behind us, just
>cause your lame ass can't grasp squat.

Ok, I hate to do this, because I think both of you guys are good racers. But
this is way out of hand. Both of you guys get a 1 race suspension.
Discussion(even heated) is one thing. But threats(which both of you have done)
are over the line.
See you both at Watkins Glen, August 9th.

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:13:00

>Are you using buttons on the wheel, or a shifter - Buttons are quicker.

buttons

auto clutch already

Yes, I lift when I shift. Engine blows if you speedshift...

Do you wait for the red light to come on? I don't, because I thought that
meant it was over-revving.

I'll try that, thanks.

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