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Eldre

Pocono

by Eldre » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:13:00







>> Meanwhile someone farther ahead wrecks, and we're back under yellow again.
>> What I don't understand is how the hell people can go so much faster than
>me on
>> the restarts.  We all have the same gearing, so that's not it.  I hit the
>gas
>> as soon as we get green, but I lost spots on damn near every restart.
>People
>> are 5-7 mph faster than me at the line, and that just doesn't make any
>sense.
>> I don't get it...

>Were you starting in 2nd or 3rd Eldred?  2nd was the best choice.

I always start in 2nd.

Eldred
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A.M.Troni

Pocono

by A.M.Troni » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 23:50:47

Alwright, BOTH OF YOU TWO TO THE TRAILER!  NOW!!



Jan Verschuere

Pocono

by Jan Verschuere » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 02:08:10

NR2003 ReplayAnalyser. You can get all sorts of interesting stats with this
program.

http://www.bonetweb.com/grandprix/n2003ra/

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Tim

Pocono

by Tim » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 02:30:44

LOL

You say threats mean something, John says they don't :)

You guys might want to have a talk next time before you make a decision like
that since it's cost you one driver for good.  I hate to do this too Eldred but
considering RASCAR has no rules, I would think the whole point of racing here is
what happens ON the track, not in a ng.

I did nothing wrong imho.  So I don't accept your one race suspension.  A
supposedly experienced racer makes a stupid move forcing me out of his way for
whatever reason his decides, makes no apologies, I get upset and tell him I'll
remember it, and we hash it out here.

And that upsets you, fine.

If it matters, I think your wrong, but it's your league.  You manage it the best
way you decide, I have no problem with that.

Please just understand if I decide how much that matters to me.  I was not
overly aggresive.  If you'll check, I was running that restart pretty much
exactly the way I did the others, and the same way I would've ran the rest.  Try
entering T1 at Pocono, in traffic, going 140+mph with that setup and then shift,
with the rpms so low.  If you think I was aggressive there I have to take from
that you probably don't like any of my driving.

And there's certainly no reason for me to have to agree with you.  Racing here
on Saturday has never been a highlight of my week.  It has been really great
racing way too infrequently and there is no sign of improvement.  Has anyone
really, honestly, significantly improved as a direct result of racing with
RASCAR?

I'm sure there probably has, but I wasn't one of them.

So I'm out, thanks for hosting.

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com


Nick

Pocono

by Nick » Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:30:09


Yeah, you were *pretending* to drive tanks around roundabouts. There's much
worse going on in the world to get upset about.

Larr

Pocono

by Larr » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 03:44:26

I wasn't even AT this weeks race (unfortunately), and I gotta get into this
crap?

Look, Sean.  If you are in someone's way, you should fully expect them to
SAFELY pass you if possible.  Since I never came anywhere near you (and
frankly, I don't even know what the hell you are talking about), I'll have
to assume there is no issue.

Don't get pissed for getting passed.  It happens, and that's racing.

And for your information, I rarely cause incidents in RASCAR, thank you.

-Larry


Larr

Pocono

by Larr » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 03:50:34

I agree totally with Ed.

When you calibrate your throttle, do it twice.

On the first pass, write down the max numbers for the Throttle.
On the second pass, calibrate normally, but on the Throttle stop short by 5
marks when you are pressing down.

This won't get you any 'extra' throttle, but it does help in making sure a
pot a bit loose in tolerance won't cheat you either.

-Larry


McWho

Pocono

by McWho » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 03:51:10


Ok, Tim.  Hold your horses there.  I would say there is general agreement
that you were both at fault here.  You are both threatening each other which
is really stupid when you consider this is a game.
My real issue right now with you is that you are saying you will quit rather
than accept a cooling off period.  I happen to think that is a good idea for
you both.  I almost quit over being constantly ***ed at but after
following the conversations in here, thought better of it realizing that I
was being oversensitive and that racing in a group of *serious* drivers was
what I was looking for.
You complain that RASCAR is not the highlight of your week.  Why is that?
Because of all the cautions?  Don't you realize that most of the cautions we
had were because of someone trying to race so hard they did not consider the
consequences of trying to gain a couple of postions in heavy traffic?  Maybe
you should consider how the race would have gone , or any of our races would
go if the drivers would just use some patience.  I completely agree with
you, the races can be very boring, I stuck it out to the end yesterday
because that is the challenge for me at this point, to make it to the end of
the race.  It would be a lot more FUN if we could have some green flag
racing.  We won't get that as long as we have drivers out there thinking
that this is for money, prestege, or ranking.   This is for fun for chris'
sake.  Be patient, be curteous, and watch the number of green flag laps go
up, then you can use your experience and talents to gain positions and try
for the win, or maybe even be smarter than others and win with pit strategy.
As long as drivers try to win it in the first lap or first corner that will
never happen.
So......If you are going to quit because of a flap over you and another
driver fighting for postion in the first corner on the restart fine.  See
Ya.   That is one less driver I have to watch out for causing wrecks on the
restart.  Just remember, you were involved in TWO incidents in the first
corner on a restart in succession,  whatever excuse you want to make, you
lost it in turn one and slid up the track directly in front of me becuase
you could not handle your line/speed/gearshift and it cost me.  Your apology
kinda goes out the window after seeing this thread and that you consider
that good racing, I sure did not consider it good racing for me!

Sean  #12

Larr

Pocono

by Larr » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 03:59:27

Tim,

I can honestly say _I_ have improved racing in RASCAR.  This is my second
year.  I have never had a problem winning at SuperSpeedways.  I _should_ win
at SuperSpeedways.  I have tens of thousands of miles logged at Dega and
Daytona.

However, I was never really any good at short-tracks.  It is in RASCAR that
I learned slower is faster at these tracks.  Let off early, roll in,
accellerate out.  Gives you better exit speed.  I never really understood
this until I started racing here, and was forced to run ALL of the tracks on
a schedule.

And I'm getting a lot better at Road Courses too, solely based on my racing
in RASCAR.

Personally, I get a LOT out of this.

And I thank Eldred for making it possible.

-Larry


McWho

Pocono

by McWho » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 04:12:14

Well, If you don't remember then........
By the rest of the post I think you could figure it has to do with SAFE
restarts.
I don't have an issue with getting passed.  I do have an issue with unsafe
driving.  Isn't that why we all want to race here instead of PAPY??

Sean  #12

Brian Oste

Pocono

by Brian Oste » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 04:21:00

<snip>

God no, we would never have any green flag laps in RASCAR.

Brian Oster

David G Fishe

Pocono

by David G Fishe » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 04:28:30




> >  All this drama is nice free entertainment
> > for us lurkers though.

> :-) Wouldn't want to race with 'em for fear of making a mistake, but
> they're fun to watch!

> Andrew McP

Just so everyone knows, I have NEVER once (in seven years of online racing)
said anything negative to someone about their driving when in a race.

I also have never come to this forum and complained at someone about
anything they did in a RASCAR race (about 60 now I'd guess) unless they
started with me first, as Tim did yesterday. There's been plenty of times
when I could have, but that's not my style.

The only thing I have done is rip our group collectively for our SS
performances. I also included smiley faces in that post so it wouldn't be
taken too seriously.

David G Fisher

David G Fishe

Pocono

by David G Fishe » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 04:49:13






> >> Somebody better do something about you because I better not see you do
one
> >> mother ***ing thing on the track around me that looks even slightly
> >> suspicious.

> >So you slammed it into T1, risking everyone else, beside us, behind us,
just
> >cause your lame ass can't grasp squat.

> Ok, I hate to do this, because I think both of you guys are good racers.
But
> this is way out of hand.  Both of you guys get a 1 race suspension.
> Discussion(even heated) is one thing.  But threats(which both of you have
done)
> are over the line.
> See you both at Watkins Glen, August 9th.

> Eldred

Why the hell am I getting a suspension because someone threatens to wreck me
on the track and then in this newsgroup?

An incident happened that didn't even bring out a yellow flag, and all of a
sudden TIM messages a threat which said "watch your back 19".

That's a threat to wreck me. You and JS said nothing in response. WTH do you
expect me to do? Just sit there, say nothing in response, and wait for him
to waste my Sat. afternoon and wreck me the next chance he gets?

TIM then comes here after the race, BEFORE I've made any posts at all, and
threatens to wreck me again with the line, "If John doesn't kick your sorry
ass out for that, I'll make it my mission to move you each and every time,
until I get kicked out."

No why the hell am I getting suspended. HE threatens to wreck me in the race
FIRST, then he comes here and threatens to wreck me again if I show up at
THE NEXT RACE. How the hell do you expect me to react? Especially when JS
had replied to his post an hour and a half before I had read it, and done
NOTHING. Neither of you said a word about his threat during the race (I was
waiting for you two to say SOMETHING), and JS did nothing when he read his
threat here.

I have never once in all the RASCAR races said a negative word to any
individual during a race about their driving. Not once. I never dreamed of
threatening to wreck someone no matter how pissed I got at them for whatever
dumb move they made which screwed up my race. I've never come here and
complained about anyone's driving after a race either. I've only talked
about other people's driving when they've criticised me first (like Tim).

This suspension is pure bullshit.

David G Fisher

David G Fishe

Pocono

by David G Fishe » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 04:59:12


What you did was threaten to wreck me with the line, "watch your back 19".
Then you came here and said, "If John doesn't kick your sorry ass out for
that, I'll make it my mission to move you each and every time, until I get
kicked out."

David G Fisher

Eldre

Pocono

by Eldre » Tue, 29 Jul 2003 04:59:23



>Please just understand if I decide how much that matters to me.  I was not
>overly aggresive.  If you'll check, I was running that restart pretty much
>exactly the way I did the others, and the same way I would've ran the rest.
>Try
>entering T1 at Pocono, in traffic, going 140+mph with that setup and then
>shift,
>with the rpms so low.  If you think I was aggressive there I have to take
>from
>that you probably don't like any of my driving.

I never said you were overly aggressive, and I don't have a problem with your
driving.

Sorry to see you leave... :-(

Eldred
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