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  > I guess that depends on the definition of major.  They didn't send McLaren or Renault.  They did send Sauber and BAR.

  I would argue that BAR are a major team - 2nd in the championship last
  season, and part owned by Honda.

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  AG

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  Never for me the lowered banner, never the last endeavour!
      (Damon Hill - 16th June 1999)

   What about a CTD - Change To Dunlops?

And Ferrari were not involved in the discussion, as Williams have confirmed.

All sponsors of F1 should take note; you are all involved with this fraud of
paying customers. And I for one will not forget.

    No one did - no one tested at Indy. And with only one week between
Canada and Indy, no time to test. I'd say they should go to any track on the
schedule for testing as soon as any surfacing or geometrical changes are
made in future. And for the remote places where you can't easily test,
always have 2 weeks between races and let them test at that track as a lead
up in the week before the race.

    An issue I think has been overlooked so far, is the issue of possible
poor sportsmanship, and maybe even criminal negligence, on the part of
Bridgestone. If they had information from the Indy 500 that they knew would
have made it dangerous for them as well as Michelin had they not been privvy
to it, then to not share this with Michelin is wreckless on their part.

    So before you blame Michelin for everything, dwell on that a little. The
FIA and Bridgestone want to put it all on Michelin. The FIA scheduled this
race without testing. Bridgestone had information they probably should have
made available to Michelin - imagine if Ralph's crash wasn't one he walked
away from?

What info?  Like hey the track was ground?  Anybody watching the 500
would know that, I'm sure Michelin could have sent engineers to inspect
the track and got useful information without actually running an F1 car
on it.

That's funny - I sat at the end of the frontstretch toward F1-Turn 1 and didn't see anything resembling a riot occur - although I was prepared for one.  I did see a few minor scuffles but they were mainly confined to the 'South American' grandstand.  Prolly a lot of pissed off Colombians irate at not seeing Montoya run a single race lap.

Indianapolis is not Detroit - we don't riot or burn and tip over cars.

Where were you sitting?

I agree that the fans WILL NOT forget when they vote with there dollars.

Wag

  The teams should be sued for inciting a riot. And endangering my life. Thank
  God the riot squad got there so fast or else 120,000 rioting fans on the
  stands would have caused serious injuries - there were scuffles and fights
  wherever you looked.

  All sponsors of F1 should take note; you are all involved with this fraud of
  paying customers. And I for one will not forget.

It is reckless to not give your competitor information?   ARE YOU ***ING KIDDING ME....That's rather Socialist of you......maybe Intel should start sharing technical data with AMD.  Better yet, let's have the CIA start sharing intelligence with terrorists.

The only negligence was on Michelin for not bringing a better tire.  The FIA warned them several weeks ago after Raikonnen's blow out not to sacrifice safety over speed.

Bullshit.......Sauber and BAR both tested at Indy (Davidson and Massa).  So they did test and those teams apparently didn't have any problems or if they did, Michelin did fix them.

Wag

  >I heard that at a tire test at Indy, Michelin didn't send any major teams
  >to do a test.
  >

      No one did - no one tested at Indy. And with only one week between
  Canada and Indy, no time to test. I'd say they should go to any track on the
  schedule for testing as soon as any surfacing or geometrical changes are
  made in future. And for the remote places where you can't easily test,
  always have 2 weeks between races and let them test at that track as a lead
  up in the week before the race.

      An issue I think has been overlooked so far, is the issue of possible
  poor sportsmanship, and maybe even criminal negligence, on the part of
  Bridgestone. If they had information from the Indy 500 that they knew would
  have made it dangerous for them as well as Michelin had they not been privvy
  to it, then to not share this with Michelin is wreckless on their part.

      So before you blame Michelin for everything, dwell on that a little. The
  FIA and Bridgestone want to put it all on Michelin. The FIA scheduled this
  race without testing. Bridgestone had information they probably should have
  made available to Michelin - imagine if Ralph's crash wasn't one he walked
  away from?

Facts meet Byron, Bryon meet facts...  They tested their Indy compound
tires at Monza....

http://www.formula1.com/news/3119.html

  Memo Gidley clouted one several years ago in a Champcar and barely
survived.  Imagine Ralf banging into the bridge in a much lighter vehicle.
There are very few American tracks that could properly show off the F1
car's true potential.   Possibly Barber Motorsports Park.  

  Which is NOT to say there are not any great American tracks, they just
don't suit the current need for wide,smooth track surfaces with large
runoff areas that most new F1 tracks are.

  Long Beach is currently 1.968 miles in length, vs 2.6 miles for the Indy
road course.

   In listening to the British Radio Le Mans announcer this past weekend,  
I was amused by his enthusiasm for the smallish upcoming ALMS event at Lime
Rock Park.  The sub 1 minute lap times should make for a very crowded race.  
He correctly identified the INDY course at Brands Hatch as the most similar
Euro event.  

dave henrie

Angry mobs, eh ?
How about the people who threw stuff on the track at the drivers getting
locked up for attempted *** ?
Or do the good people of Indianapolis have no control over their actions ?

Andrew McP

I was sitting over T1 - section J or whatever - from whence the missiles reigned over the track - and where the guy who came 2nd in the 500 was sitting - ask him about the scuffles, he was virtually inside the scrum.

  That's funny - I sat at the end of the frontstretch toward F1-Turn 1 and didn't see anything resembling a riot occur - although I was prepared for one.  I did see a few minor scuffles but they were mainly confined to the 'South American' grandstand.  Prolly a lot of pissed off Colombians irate at not seeing Montoya run a single race lap.

  Indianapolis is not Detroit - we don't riot or burn and tip over cars.

  Where were you sitting?

  I agree that the fans WILL NOT forget when they vote with there dollars.

  Wag

    The teams should be sued for inciting a riot. And endangering my life. Thank
    God the riot squad got there so fast or else 120,000 rioting fans on the
    stands would have caused serious injuries - there were scuffles and fights
    wherever you looked.

    All sponsors of F1 should take note; you are all involved with this fraud of
    paying customers. And I for one will not forget.