OT: WELL?

by **Byron Forbe** » Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:03:09

So what we have here is the words of a commentator spewing out rumour,
and statements from Bridgestone consistent with claims Indy 500 testing
showed no difference in the track - a clear ploy to deceive Michelin
perhaps.

I'd need an official investigation, maybe even a legal one.

by **Byron Forbe** » Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:04:19

Funny stuff!

by **Byron Forbe** » Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:08:22

They way you're going on here psycho boy, I'm seriously considering
getting on the "we're really paranoid about FILSCA" bandwagon!

It seems your so insane that 1,000,000 laps of testing at tracks other
than IMS still equals 1,000,000 at IMS.

You're definantly off your trolley!

rotfl

by **Byron Forbe** » Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:17:45

Translation - unlike Minardi and Jordan and the rest of F1, they're a
bunch of narrow minded morons shitting on their own bread and butter.

by **Byron Forbe** » Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:21:19

I wonder what some of the other teams would have done if in Ferrari's
position?

Mind you, it's ridiculous to ask teams anyway.

by **Byron Forbe** » Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:27:37

Yeah, they had the binoculars out making sure the track was the same
pebble for pebble! Maybe they need new binoculars? Wouldn't you think they'd
know better than to research a track without top dollar binoculars and
HDTVs?

You're off every trolley that ever existed!

by **Byron Forbe** » Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:36:57

>> So where was that edge? I'd be pretty sure this was not the plan of
>> Michelin. If the track was just a little different from last year in T13
>> then all the Michelin data is obselete.

> yet bridgstone brought the same tire as they used in 04. So any 'info'
> garnered from Firestone is irrelevant.

> dh

Assuming Bridgestone tell no lies.

by **Byron Forbe** » Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:38:13

>>> Isn't Michelin allowed to bring 2 compounds of tire to the track? I
>>> don't think the FIA told them to bring 2 versions that are on the edge.

>> So where was that edge? I'd be pretty sure this was not the plan of
>> Michelin. If the track was just a little different from last year in T13
>> then all the Michelin data is obselete.

> So they just guessed what to bring with a World Championship at stake,
> with drivers lives at stake, reputation at stake? If that is the case,
> those guys at Michelin really are a bunch of roobs!

"roobs"??

If the track is different and the FIA allow no testing, what can they
do?

by **alex martin** » Wed, 29 Jun 2005 04:33:18

>> Cra-cra of bullshit may have served you well in creche, but in the big
>> world, you just sound like a child jumping up and down with not even the
>> ability to fabricate a reason why Michelin are a bunch of incompetent
>> ***s.

>> Come back when you've made up a plausible argument as to why
>> 1) Button won a reputed million pounds on Monteiro being on the podium
>> and
>> 2) Why Trulli qualified with 2 laps worth of fuel on his car.

>> And if you can't, then you'll just have to accept that these ***s
>> defrauded 120,000 people out of their money.

> You're off your trolley!

All I hear is the kid from the creche with his hands over his ears stamping
the ground saying - it ain't so it ain't so it ain't so it ain't so

by **alex martin** » Wed, 29 Jun 2005 04:33:46

>>> So where was that edge? I'd be pretty sure this was not the plan of
>>> Michelin. If the track was just a little different from last year in T13
>>> then all the Michelin data is obselete.

>> yet bridgstone brought the same tire as they used in 04. So any 'info'
>> garnered from Firestone is irrelevant.

>> dh

> Assuming Bridgestone tell no lies.

Yes Byron, it's all a vicious ***.

by **Woodie8** » Wed, 29 Jun 2005 05:40:50

> So what we have here is the words of a commentator spewing out rumour,
> and statements from Bridgestone consistent with claims Indy 500 testing
> showed no difference in the track - a clear ploy to deceive Michelin
> perhaps.

Jesus you're a thick one. The Indy 500 problem was with wear, and after
they ground the track surface it wasn't a very big deal. The US Grand
Prix problem was with structural failure of the tire carcass.
Completely unrelated. How many times must you hear this?

Don McCorkle

by **Bob** » Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:24:43

Actually I think everyone else here is equally thick.
Byron:

1. Is convinced that the fact that Michelin screwed up designing a
tire is soomehow Bridgestone's fault.

2. Blames the FIA (and/or Ferrari) for not fixing Michelin's screwup
by redoing the track to suit Michelin's tire.

Clearly there are no words that will change his mind.

by **Dave Henri** » Wed, 29 Jun 2005 08:30:47

You forgot to mention that the Pope is now a German.

dave henrie

by **alex martin** » Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:44:16

>> If you knew the first thing about F1, you'd know that Michelin - with 7
>> fully-funded teams - have done over 90% more testing than Bridgestone,
>> whose testing programme has been done exclusively with ferrari because
>> both minardi and jordan don't test.

>> You know shit-all about F1 - lemme give you a clue. Ballestre's ghost.

> They way you're going on here psycho boy, I'm seriously considering
> getting on the "we're really paranoid about FILSCA" bandwagon!

> It seems your so insane that 1,000,000 laps of testing at tracks other
> than IMS still equals 1,000,000 at IMS.

> You're definantly off your trolley!

> rotfl

The problem with the Michelin tyres - as has been made abundantly evident
for anyone with the ability to read (see AutoSport, this week, as well as
Gazetta dello Sport, Thursday last week, Atlas-F1 article) is that
Michelin's design of its tyres are at fault - they could test 1 trillion
laps at Indy, it would make *** all difference because the actual design
of the tyre (as opposed to its manufacture/compound) means it cannot take
over 800kilo loads - ther only thing Michelin could have done was used last
year's Michelin which, as far as I understand it, were already on the limit
(see Ralf's smash last year) - fact is, not only did Michelin know they were
in trouble last year, they probably knew they were screwed this year before
they even arrived at Indy (explaining why they only had one tyre compound to
begin with) - now, do me a favour, since you've been reduced to
name-calling, I take it you have nothing further to contribute so - laters..

by **alex martin** » Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:49:17

>>>> Isn't Michelin allowed to bring 2 compounds of tire to the track? I
>>>> don't think the FIA told them to bring 2 versions that are on the edge.

>>> So where was that edge? I'd be pretty sure this was not the plan of
>>> Michelin. If the track was just a little different from last year in T13
>>> then all the Michelin data is obselete.

>> So they just guessed what to bring with a World Championship at stake,
>> with drivers lives at stake, reputation at stake? If that is the case,
>> those guys at Michelin really are a bunch of roobs!

> "roobs"??

> If the track is different and the FIA allow no testing, what can they
> do?

Byron, honey, testing is not allowed on 90% of the tracks used for the FIA
world championship - and many of those tracks undergo yearly changes to
their profile.

Once more - it is NOT the compound that is at issue, it is the actual DESIGN
of the tyre by Michelin - now, why don't you do as I suggested and do some
reading up on the matter, and then, when you have finally understood that
there is NOTHING Michelin could have done about this - other than completely
re-designing their tyres - that work - and outperform - Bridgestone on 99%
of tracks - which would effectively mean surrendering their entire season -
and the billions of dollars of investment - to create ONE tyre for ONE race.

LAst year, Michelin was already marginal at Indy - this year they went over
the hump.

It is a simple thing Byron, and I am sure that you'll be able to get it
sooner or later.