Getting killed, last time I checked, is why these cowards get paid the money they get paid - otherwise we'd be watching sim racers, better racing, better skill, and now, more danger too.
      Cowards??? LOL. The drivers got no say!

    One of the best disguised waving of the white flag I've ever seen! :)

  Alex don't waste your time with this guy.........there will always be people who will deflect blame and those who condone it.  He doesn't deserve the time of your response - and mine either.

  Wag

    Getting killed, last time I checked, is why these cowards get paid the money they get paid - otherwise we'd be watching sim racers, better racing, better skill, and now, more danger too.

If the drivers got no say, why did they have a meeting before hand - and btw they were in the cars, and could have driven had they wanted to - simple, no? What would happen - Coulthard fired for driving at USGP? I think it probably states in his contract - just a guess - that he's hired to drive cars. I think it would be difficult to fire an accountant for accounting - or a driver for driving.

    Getting killed, last time I checked, is why these cowards get paid the money they get paid - otherwise we'd be watching sim racers, better racing, better skill, and now, more danger too.
        Cowards??? LOL. The drivers got no say!

    The FIA provided no opportunity to test here - you forget F1 has a
zillion rules reguarding testing. And the F1 track at IMS needs to be
especially set up.

    Firstly, Firestone obviously tested b4 the race.

    Secondly, a simmer ought to have a clue about the difference in
downforce between an IRL car setup for a superspeedway and and F1 car setup
with it's std rear wing. I'd say the F1 car would put more stress on the
tyre due to greater downforce and the consequent greater lateral loading -
mute point anyway.

    Or you're just another moron on the FIA anti Michelin bandwagon.

    The FIA are using Michelin as a scapegoat to cover their lack of vision,
contingency and clue.

    Mostly agree. Bridgestone did have the Firestone data advantage though.

    Having cut throat tyre rules without testing at a resurfaced track is
hardly right either. And the FIA failed to provide a testing period here -
stupid!

    What I have objected to since this happened, is the way so many believe
Michelin is entirely to blame - an attitude set up by the FIA from the
outset. Everyone is falling for the FIA's overbearing bullshit position. The
FIA is totally to blame for having no worthwhile contingency and greatly to
blame for the lack of testing at a resurfaced track that places maximum
loads on F1 tyres!

   That is my point...even in pre-race tire tests, there were no stories of  
IRL tires exploding.  This kinda reminds me of the fake outter tread
Michelin ran a year or so ago.  Designed to wear off quickly so the
wider/squarer 'real' tire then was exposed for racing.  

   Anyhow,  I didn't go, so I don't have any real injury to spout about.
lol.

dave henrie

If you had bothered to read more than the first few words of my post..I said
"just like the rest".
Everyone involved in F1 at the mo is looking to have a bigger slice of the
pie.
We shall see.
tbc

            What info did you think they had that was so unusual (for a
very high speed banked corner) that it said that Michelin tires would
come apart?  Do you want Bridgestone to give Michelin all their
engineering data on a routine basis?  Do you expect Michelin to tell
Bridgestone exactly how their tires are constructed?

"they were in the cars, and could have driven had they wanted to -
simple, no? What would happen - Coulthard fired for driving at USGP? I
think it probably states in his contract - just a guess - that he's
hired to drive cars. I think it would be difficult to fire an
accountant for accounting - or a driver for driving."

            You gotta be kidding.  An F1 driver can get fired for
parting his hair wrong, and he's gone.  When was the last time a driver
successfully contested a dismissal?  At the unlikely best he'd get some
money and never drive for anyone in F1 again.  And I'm sure the
contract has a provision for disobeying team orders, so he wouldn't
even get the money.

Maybe you're right; but then, does it state in the contract that they need
to go out on the parade lap and wave at the kids - and, while we're at it,
ITv are reporting - a rumour of course - that Button won an absolute fortune
from betting on the USGP. Do you think it is illegal for someone inside F1
to be betting on results? In any other sport yes - but not in F1. Did
someone say this race was fixed?

How much money was won by Toyota personnel if it turns out it was true that
Trulli ran - as ITV are reporting - with 3 laps worth of fuel in qual? Did
someone say fixed race?

    Well ok Martini, had you have driven a Michelin car, what would your approach have been? :)

  If the drivers got no say, why did they have a meeting before hand - and btw they were in the cars, and could have driven had they wanted to - simple, no? What would happen - Coulthard fired for driving at USGP? I think it probably states in his contract - just a guess - that he's hired to drive cars. I think it would be difficult to fire an accountant for accounting - or a driver for driving.

   I heard on tv out here that there was some issue with joins where layers
of track meet. Sounded like tyres were cutting/shredding rather than simply
collapsing. The track does run in the other direction too and probably
optimised for the Indy 500 as it should be.

    Anyway, with the rules as is, to not test at all tracks, especially
where changes have been made, is crazy.