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by **Nathan Broph** » Sun, 14 Dec 1997 04:00:00

I recently upgraded to an K6 200 and a FIC 2007 motherboard. I was
wonder what frame rate should I expect from GP2. I currently get
estimated 16 fps in SVGA mode and 12.8 fps with everything on. :-( Is
this to be expected? Since adding 32mb sdram I was able to overclock to
225 and not much change in frame rate. I have Screamin 3d rendition
card to run ICR2 3d. I know that GP2 is not 3d accelerated game and I
doubt it has anything to do with the Screamin' 3D card.

Thanx,
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by **All Mighty Andy** » Sun, 14 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Try re-installing the game. After I upgraded my system GP2 slowed down
so I re-installed it and that fixed it up just fine.

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by **Todd** » Sun, 14 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Im not sure if this is right or not but I think that estimated frame rate
is set to the machines configuration when you install the game. I seem to
remember during installation a screen containing all the computers
information cpu and such, the estimated frame rate might be based on that
and thus will not change unless you reinstall.
Todd.

t>...

>I recently upgraded to an K6 200 and a FIC 2007 motherboard. I was
>wonder what frame rate should I expect from GP2. I currently get
>estimated 16 fps in SVGA mode and 12.8 fps with everything on. :-( Is
>this to be expected? Since adding 32mb sdram I was able to overclock to
>225 and not much change in frame rate. I have Screamin 3d rendition
>card to run ICR2 3d. I know that GP2 is not 3d accelerated game and I
>doubt it has anything to do with the Screamin' 3D card.

>Thanx,
>--
>Nathan Brophy

>http://post.smu.edu/~nbrophy
>"Consciousness is the annoying time between naps" unknown

by **Karl Zose** » Sun, 14 Dec 1997 04:00:00

They fact is that the frame-rate estimate does NOT really reflect the
performance of the game, nor does the CPU occupance indication!!!

I have a frame rate estimate of 23, but I choose only 18 to get a
smoother performance. Still at some chicanes the game slows down, and
accurate driving is almost impossible.
I have a IBM 200+.

by **Robert Mull** » Sun, 14 Dec 1997 04:00:00

I recently upgrade to a PII-300 from a p5-166 and I would say my
framerates doubled or nearly doubled. The frame rate estimator maybe a
little fouled with non standard chips (and I think mine counts since
it was not available) as the estimator says 21.6 fps with everything
on but I can go to Monaco and it runs very smooth.I would say I am
getting around 25fps there which means 30 or more on most other
tracks.

>I recently upgraded to an K6 200 and a FIC 2007 motherboard. I was
>wonder what frame rate should I expect from GP2. I currently get
>estimated 16 fps in SVGA mode and 12.8 fps with everything on. :-( Is
>this to be expected? Since adding 32mb sdram I was able to overclock to
>225 and not much change in frame rate. I have Screamin 3d rendition
>card to run ICR2 3d. I know that GP2 is not 3d accelerated game and I
>doubt it has anything to do with the Screamin' 3D card.

>Thanx,
>--
>Nathan Brophy

>http://post.smu.edu/~nbrophy
>"Consciousness is the annoying time between naps" unknown

by **John M Robert** » Mon, 15 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Sounds about right.

My IBM 200+ will run very happily in SVGA at 16 fps (everything but sky)- so
you only occaisonally get over 100% occupancy, except of course at Monaco.

> I recently upgraded to an K6 200 and a FIC 2007 motherboard. I was
> wonder what frame rate should I expect from GP2. I currently get
> estimated 16 fps in SVGA mode and 12.8 fps with everything on. :-( Is
> this to be expected? Since adding 32mb sdram I was able to overclock to
> 225 and not much change in frame rate. I have Screamin 3d rendition
> card to run ICR2 3d. I know that GP2 is not 3d accelerated game and I
> doubt it has anything to do with the Screamin' 3D card.

> Thanx,
> --
> Nathan Brophy

> http://post.smu.edu/~nbrophy
> "Consciousness is the annoying time between naps" unknown

by **John** » Tue, 16 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Well I have a K6-200 on an ABIT motherboard and the estimate tells me
to expect 25.6 and this is with everything turned on. The games itself
runs VERY smoothly. Boy am I glad I didn't buy an Intel............

JohnGP

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by **Jo Hels** » Wed, 17 Dec 1997 04:00:00

Sorry to say, but this sounds like pure bullshit....(unless you run VGA, that
is)

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by **John** » Thu, 18 Dec 1997 04:00:00

>>Well I have a K6-200 on an ABIT motherboard and the estimate tells me
>>to expect 25.6 and this is with everything turned on. The games itself
>>runs VERY smoothly. Boy am I glad I didn't buy an Intel............

>Sorry to say, but this sounds like pure bullshit....(unless you run VGA, that
>is)

>JoH

OK it's bullshit, I was making it up. My life is so sad I have nothing
better to do than post on here to pinheads like you who don't believe
a word I say. Do I care if you think it's bullshit, well no I don't.

The fact is I have every graphic option ticked and yes on SVGA and the
estimate says 25.6 fps. I repeat the action is very smooth.

JohnGP

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by **John** » Fri, 19 Dec 1997 04:00:00

>John,

>The important question is: what values do you get for processor
>occupancy min-max? Especially at monaco.

>> The fact is I have every graphic option ticked and yes on SVGA and the
>> estimate says 25.6 fps. I repeat the action is very smooth.
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I would have thought the important question was; how does the game
play........ Why the need for the great frame rate debate everytime.

However all I can measure is processor usage which is 100%

I am using the NO-CD utility if that makes any difference to the frame
rate, I doubt that it does.
JohnGP

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by **Michael Enrigh** » Sat, 20 Dec 1997 04:00:00

> OK it's bullshit, I was making it up. My life is so sad I have nothing
> better to do than post on here to pinheads like you who don't believe
> a word I say. Do I care if you think it's bullshit, well no I don't.

> The fact is I have every graphic option ticked and yes on SVGA and the
> estimate says 25.6 fps. I repeat the action is very smooth.

> JohnGP

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But what is your CPU occupancy at most tracks. What about Monaco??
Thanks.

Mike

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by **Byron Forbe** » Sun, 21 Dec 1997 04:00:00

> I would have thought the important question was; how does the game
> play........ Why the need for the great frame rate debate everytime.

> However all I can measure is processor usage which is 100%

You are truley kidding. Did you say K60 2000mhz? And the question is
not FR but actual game speed. If the cpu occupancy goes above 100% then
you are playing slow motion GP2. And forget about what the estimate
says. BTW, what FR are you using? 8?

by **John** » Sun, 21 Dec 1997 04:00:00

>> I would have thought the important question was; how does the game
>> play........ Why the need for the great frame rate debate everytime.

>> However all I can measure is processor usage which is 100%

> You are truley kidding. Did you say K60 2000mhz? And the question is
>not FR but actual game speed. If the cpu occupancy goes above 100% then
>you are playing slow motion GP2. And forget about what the estimate
>says. BTW, what FR are you using? 8?

Exactly game speed and not frame rate. Am I satisfied with the way the
game looks and works? Yes I am. I'll say it just one more time; the
game runs VERY quickly and is VERY smooth. I don't care if anyone
doesn't think it should, I'm the one sitting here looking at it.

Nathan originally said:

All I came back with and said in my first posting was:

Surely the point is that if we have the same cpu the estimate should
be somewhere near the same, even if it's not a true representation of
the actual frame rate. Suggesting that maybe there is something he can
do to improve things.

By the way I also get between 30 - 47 fps in Microsoft Flight
Simulator 98, with everything turned on, using it's FR counter. And
even Longbow2, who some with PII 300's have moaned about can be played
with everything maxed out without too many problems.

JohnGP

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by **Byron Forbe** » Mon, 22 Dec 1997 04:00:00

> Surely the point is that if we have the same cpu the estimate should
> be somewhere near the same, even if it's not a true representation of
> the actual frame rate. Suggesting that maybe there is something he can
> do to improve things.

> By the way I also get between 30 - 47 fps in Microsoft Flight
> Simulator 98, with everything turned on, using it's FR counter. And
> even Longbow2, who some with PII 300's have moaned about can be played
> with everything maxed out without too many problems.

> JohnGP

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My point is that if you take notice of the estimates or use the auto
graphics stuff then you will be playing slow motion GP2. If I used the
estimates my cpu would almost always be running over the 100% occupancy
mark. To do this with a "sim" like GP2 is just a total joke. Microprose
lied to us when they designed this estimate stuff to try and trick some
of us into believing GP2 was running fine when it simply is not running
well at all. I suppose some of us have gotten used to playing ICR2 at 30
+ fps and running a proper sim at anything lower is just no good
anymore. You just don't get the same control/smoothness/realism any
other way.

I have a P233MMX and a STB Lightspeed 128 Graphics card and
from my point of view GP2 is still a long way away from being "fully"
utilised. It's great for hotlaps at 25fps and minimal graphics though :)
It's a real shame about GP2 come to think of it. As computers become
fast enough to run it well, along comes F1RS and it's goodbye forever
GP2. RIP. Maybe GP3 will make up for it.

by **Jo Hels** » Tue, 23 Dec 1997 04:00:00

This seems to differ from person to person. Personally, I'm very satisfied with
21fps. Then again, I HAVE to be since it's the maximum I can get without leaving
SVGA. When I turn it down to 18fps, I start to see the difference. 16fps seems
absolutely awful. Apparently, the longer you play with higher framerates, the
more difficult it becomes to be satisfied with lower counts again. I remember
having a lot of fun with F1GP on my Amiga, and that must have been something
like 12fps! If I would still be able to enjoy such a low framerate, I could play
GP2 SVGA full detail!! But we're spoiled... :-)

That's why I don't believe John... I have a p166 classic, overclocked to
200Mhz(3*66Mhz busspeed) on an average motherboard with a "decent" videocard. If
I want to run GP2 in SVGA, with 21fps and without PO getting over 100%, then I
can only turn on track texture and maybe a few fences, nothing in the mirrors!

When John says that he can turn *everything* on, also in the mirrors, and still
get 25fps without PO getting over 100%, and all this on a K6 200, then he's
JOKING. It's like saying that your brother measures 10 feet. It's IMPOSSIBLE.

No matter how hard you try to convince us, John...

I would like to hear some more details about your system, though!

JoH
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