rec.autos.simulators

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Tue, 03 Apr 2001 04:35:55

Frankie
Evidence at last that you are superhuman! You can floor it in any gear at
Interlagos and never spin - wow!! Please tell me your technique, as with
any decently fast setup I'm struggling with the back end in T3 (always needs
a little lift off), T4 and T5 T7 and well actually T8 isn't so good either
and well ..... !
What sort of times are you getting with your 'floor it in any gear'
technique? Can you send me the ghosts and the setups? I would really
appreciate some help here.
Iain

> > PS: I used no-aids (expert) and tried many setups. Still hopeless. :(

> It's all understandable. All those people praising F1RC must have found a
> secret realism level that we have yet to find. I did some physics test at
> Interlagos yesterday and it was disgusting. I can floor it in any gear,
and
> never spin. Near T6, try to get up the small cliff (barely 20degree
slope),
> you can't! It doesn't want to climb it. Try to loose it into the
downhill
> fast left turn (like Montoya and others have done), it's impossible, you
> just floor it and never really think of that possibility, within the
F1RC's
> physics. They are just out of this world. Braking points are all messed
> up, and the fastest laptimes are in the 1:06-1:08.

> Who cares for fancy graphics and nice track accuracy? (even if they put
> grandstands where there is not). It's not even a good hotlapper.

> Ridiculous.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **ymenar** » Tue, 03 Apr 2001 08:27:54

> Evidence at last that you are superhuman! You can floor it in any gear at
> Interlagos and never spin - wow!! Please tell me your technique

I can't say, Iike I wrote I must be missing that secret realism level. Both
sliders are at 0% help, everything is fully realistic. This is not recent,
every beta build suffered from the same thing. Of course, I have my pedals
setup for that (not linear). I can floor it and it won't spin, and my
laptimes are great.

I didn't tweak anything in the setups except making sure I'm using soft
tyres, and I was lapping Interlagos in the 1:12's. I'm not even pushing the
car. I can do lap after lap after lap and not even fight the car. F1RC
assumes that F1 drivers don't fight the car!

And that***pit, OMG my eyes still hurt how ugly and blocky it is.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:05:09

I'm just a fool, but I definitely think something must be wrong. There is
now way you should be able to floor it without spinning.

You have your pedals set up for exponential instead of linear? That may be
part of the problem, but not all of it. It sounds like your pedals aren't
working right with the sim.

1:12's are about four seconds off the lap record at the Blackhole
Motorsports hot lap page. That's probably why you're not fighting the car.

David G Fisher

> > Evidence at last that you are superhuman! You can floor it in any gear
at
> > Interlagos and never spin - wow!! Please tell me your technique

> I can't say, Iike I wrote I must be missing that secret realism level.
Both
> sliders are at 0% help, everything is fully realistic. This is not
recent,
> every beta build suffered from the same thing. Of course, I have my
pedals
> setup for that (not linear). I can floor it and it won't spin, and my
> laptimes are great.

> I didn't tweak anything in the setups except making sure I'm using soft
> tyres, and I was lapping Interlagos in the 1:12's. I'm not even pushing
the
> car. I can do lap after lap after lap and not even fight the car. F1RC
> assumes that F1 drivers don't fight the car!

> And that***pit, OMG my eyes still hurt how ugly and blocky it is.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:21:44

And yet the race today was MUCH slower per lap...if the physics and tracks
are so accurately modeled...shouldn't the world record sim drivers be
approaching
the world record real drivers?
dave henrie

by **David G Fishe** » Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:36:20

Every sim I've ever seen had hot laps that smashed the true world record
times. Every one. A real life driver wouldn't drive a hot lap in the same
way us sim drivers do. Ever looked at a hot lap from GPL?

At the BH site, you only need to keep two wheels on the curbing to be a
legal lap, which enables a quicker lap time.

That said, the cars do seem to accelerate too fast. That doesn't mean the
physics model is innacurate, but that they may have punched the wrong
numbers into that physics model. There is a patch coming around the 16th,
and in addition to the AI, it will supposedly address the fast lap times.

Dacid G Fisher

by **Gregor Vebl** » Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:01:08

It definitely happened in the demo, but it could have been down to the
driving aids being enabled all the time. However, (even) in the review
at Gamespot UK they mention this happening:

http://www.gamespot.co.uk/stories/reviews/0,2160,2045230,00.html

-Gregor

> I'm just a fool, but I definitely think something must be wrong. There is
> now way you should be able to floor it without spinning.

by **Asbj?rn Bj?rnst** » Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:31:43

> > Evidence at last that you are superhuman! You can floor it in any gear at
> > Interlagos and never spin - wow!! Please tell me your technique

> I can't say, Iike I wrote I must be missing that secret realism level. Both
> sliders are at 0% help, everything is fully realistic. This is not recent,
> every beta build suffered from the same thing. Of course, I have my pedals
> setup for that (not linear). I can floor it and it won't spin, and my
> laptimes are great.

It's not unrealistic, they just chose to model the latter part of the
season.
--
-asbjxrn Consultant, n.:
An ordinary man a long way from home.

by **Andre Warrin** » Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:37:52

Lol :) No, I think he changed his nickname.. lately there's another
guy who's often driving the wrong way. I don't understand what the fun
is spoiling a race for numerous other people.

Andre

by **Andre Warrin** » Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:47:45

>> Evidence at last that you are superhuman! You can floor it in any gear at
>> Interlagos and never spin - wow!! Please tell me your technique

>I can't say, Iike I wrote I must be missing that secret realism level. Both
>sliders are at 0% help, everything is fully realistic. This is not recent,
>every beta build suffered from the same thing. Of course, I have my pedals
>setup for that (not linear). I can floor it and it won't spin, and my
>laptimes are great.

Weird, I -can't- floor the throttle at every corner at Brazil Ym.. Au
contraire (ok, my french sucks), my problem with f1rc is that the car
snaps without any warning.
I know f1 cars spin very sudden, but I do think a driver would feel
(more or less) how close to the limit he's driving.
On a pc we need other signs for this: good use of sound, good force
feedback and movement of the***pit. None of these are there in f1rc
unfortunately.
I want to do those full steering lock manouvres like Montoya did
yesterday in a current F1 sim..

Are you sure your pedals are working correctly in f1rc?

It's ugly, but while racing you hardly notice, and the moving hands is
a very nice detail..

PS is it normal that I can't switch to a lower gear without braking?
Because I can't..

Andre

by **Andre Warrin** » Tue, 03 Apr 2001 23:48:58

Yes, but Ymenard said he used default setup with softer tires.

Andre

by **Andre Warrin** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:04:02

Exactly..
Fastest qual lap 1999: Hakkinen 1.16.568
Fastest race lap 1999: Hakkinen 1:18.448

Sorry, but 8-10 seconds faster than the real life record clearly shows
-something- is wrong here..

Andre

by **Andre Warrin** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:09:28

Indeed, I can't imagine they took Monaco's hairpin or Spa's Masta as
fast as we do, because of the 99% death risk the first time you try
it.
But I do think it's different with a current F1 sim: the track are not
as ridiculously dangerous as they used to be anymore, and I don't see
why we can drive a much faster lap in a sim than in real life.
If we can take 10 seconds off by driving with 2 wheels off the road,
then surely this could be done in real life if the sim was so
realistic?

Sounds like a job for Veble and Bodin..
Gentleman.. please please please please please?

Andre

by **Andre Warrin** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:14:53

>It's not unrealistic, they just chose to model the latter part of the
>season.
>--
> -asbjxrn Consultant, n.:
> An ordinary man a long way from home.

Hi Mr. "I kicked Andre's ***at the Monza GP yesterday" Bjornstad,

You are talking about the current season and the traction control that
will be allowed later this season?
F1RC simulates the 1999 season. Or was there something later in the
'99 season which helped the drivers?

Andre

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 04:19:27

Yes, but we all know that Frankie is not of the human race! Mere mortals
slide all over the place at Interlagos if we 'floor it' in the way Frankie
describes.
Shurely shomething wrong here!
Iain

> >I'm just a fool, but I definitely think something must be wrong. There is
> >now way you should be able to floor it without spinning.

> >You have your pedals set up for exponential instead of linear? That may
be
> >part of the problem, but not all of it. It sounds like your pedals aren't
> >working right with the sim.

> >1:12's are about four seconds off the lap record at the Blackhole
> >Motorsports hot lap page. That's probably why you're not fighting the
car.

> Yes, but Ymenard said he used default setup with softer tires.

> Andre

> >David G Fisher

by **David G Fishe** » Wed, 04 Apr 2001 04:50:57

All I can say is that GP3 feels like you are driving in glue compared to
F1RC. I honestly don't know what is going on with ymenard.

David G Fisher

> It definitely happened in the demo, but it could have been down to the
> driving aids being enabled all the time. However, (even) in the review
> at Gamespot UK they mention this happening:

> http://www.gamespot.co.uk/stories/reviews/0,2160,2045230,00.html

> -Gregor

> > I'm just a fool, but I definitely think something must be wrong. There
is
> > now way you should be able to floor it without spinning.

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