No wonder the AI are driving like kamikazes, they're adapting to my
driving style :)
Andre
>> --
>> Ian P
>> <email invalid due to spam>
Probably.. the best way I can describe the ff behind an AI car is that
someone is taking over my wheel.. the ff gets much stronger than
normal, the wheel becomes -tighter- instead of more loose, and it's
making illogical movements.. weird..
Anyone else here experienced the same problem? With what wheel? LWFF
usb here...
Andre
>> Interesting Ian, what ff wheel do you have? I have a LWFF usb and ff
>> in f1rc is simply bad on my system, I don't feel what the car is
>> doing, or more important, what the car is -about- to do.
>> I also have a weird ff problem, and I heard other people having the
>> same problem: When driving behind an AI car, the ff goes all bad, hard
>> to describe what happens behind an AI car the ff effects don't make
>> any sense at all.
>> Andre
>I only have the demo, not the game. On my LWFF, using split axis, I find that
>lifting up on the throttle results in the brakes being applied.
>Can you give me your within-game controller settings for the LWFF? ...And
>perhaps an explanation of how you calibrated your controller within the game, in
>order to arrive at a configuration where the brake and throttle pedals work
>properly? (Which I assume you have done).
>Thanks.
>Bert
It's a matter of trail and error.. in the end it works though, even
with my LWFF and CH pedals combo.
When you are calibrating the pedals, notice that it says something
like Z-axis, Z+ axis, R-axis or something like that.
The catch is, the further you press the pedals, the results will
change. If I press the pedals just a little bit, it says Z-. if I
press it a little further, it says R+, etc.
So I just tried a couple of different combinations untill it worked..
Apparently it's very hard to make a decent calibrating system like GPL
had 2.5 years ago :)
Andre
/ still failing to get his LWFF and CH pedals working decently in GP3
>>Yes, there is. The AI is supposed to learn your style and then adapt to it.
>>The lead developer at Ubi has described this in some interviews.
>>David G Fisher
>No wonder the AI are driving like kamikazes, they're adapting to my
>driving style :)
>Andre
Andre
/ If you don't get this one, visit VROC more often :)
> >Yep, I did have something similar to say about F12K - good memory! I'm
not
> >saying either AI is perfect, but I do believe that a lot of the criticism
is
> >mis-placed. If you watch real F1, a slight unexpected slow down by one
of
> >the cars can cause major pile-ups. What happens a lot in 'sims' is that
> >this aspect is dumbed down for the sake of playability.
> >However, I repeat, that the AI in F12K or F1RC is not perfect by any
means.
> >The AI probs in F12K were 'fixed' in F12KCS, and I'm sure that Ubi will
> >address F1RC problems soon.
> >Iain
> Yea, they did fix it in F12KCS, and that's why I mention this. You
> used to tell me (and others) that I was the problem of all the crashes
> and needed to learn to drive better. Well, if that was absolutely true
> then why did they put out a patch to fix it? Obviosly you were
> dogmatic in your theory and refused to see the truth of what F12K
> really was. I put to you the possiblity that it is the same dogmatic
> belief that Ubisoft can do no wrong with F1RC. :-)
> >>Yes, there is. The AI is supposed to learn your style and then adapt to
it.
> >>The lead developer at Ubi has described this in some interviews.
> >>David G Fisher
> >No wonder the AI are driving like kamikazes, they're adapting to my
> >driving style :)
> >Andre
> Oh, and I wonder how the AI will drive on Indigo's computer.. will
> they also drive the wrong way? :)
> Andre
> / If you don't get this one, visit VROC more often :)
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> >I said they 'fixed' it in F12KCS in the manner I described in my previous
> >post, i.e. by dumbing down some of the more realistic effects in the
> >interests of playability.
> Rear ending me all the time and then the spotter telling me that I
> collided with so and so is realistic? Not in my books.
"This worked for me, but no guarantees. I found the split axis detection a
bit iffy. What usually happened is that the Accelerator would be detcted on
"Accelerator -" and the brake on "Accelerator +" (as opposed to Combined
Pedals +- for non-split axis). This may sound OK, but when you let go of the
accelerator, I was automatically braking.
Evetually, I got it to work with "Accelerator -" on throttle and "Brake -"
on brake. Here's what I did.
Press both brake and Accelerator then clicked Brake. After each attempted I
lifted off on the Accelerator a tad and clicked again. I repeated this (in
very quick succession - In other words, repeated clicking whilst easing of
on the accelerator) until it detected "Brake -" and viola. The Accelerator
is detected as per usual. It was always the Brake I had trouble with.
Hope this helps, it sure improves the driving."
Bart Westra
PS I found it works in 1NSANE as well
Original post by David Noe
> I only have the demo, not the game. On my LWFF, using split axis, I find
that
> lifting up on the throttle results in the brakes being applied.
> Can you give me your within-game controller settings for the LWFF? ...And
> perhaps an explanation of how you calibrated your controller within the
game, in
> order to arrive at a configuration where the brake and throttle pedals
work
> properly? (Which I assume you have done).
> Thanks.
> Bert
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:49:48 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie"
> > <snip>
> > >The FF is also good despite what some people say. Not as good as GPL,
but
> > >better than anything else I've tried. You can feel the back end
loosening
> > >up, the wheel loosens up completely when going too hard/high over kerbs
etc.
> > >etc.
> > >Iain
> > Interesting Ian, what ff wheel do you have? I have a LWFF usb and ff
> > in f1rc is simply bad on my system, I don't feel what the car is
> > doing, or more important, what the car is -about- to do.
> > I also have a weird ff problem, and I heard other people having the
> > same problem: When driving behind an AI car, the ff goes all bad, hard
> > to describe what happens behind an AI car the ff effects don't make
> > any sense at all.
> > Andre
> --
> Bert
Tony
>> What's Mikey's best time? :-)
>hehe - the AI are positively well behaved compared with my races with
>Mikey - nothing beats father vs son rivalry! Particularly when I try to beat
>him in a Minardi against his Mclaren at Monza - his giggling down the
>straights is beginning to annoy me :-)
Eldred
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Also the rotational velocity of the tire is awful, it is NOT in sync with
the lateral velocity of the car. That also makes the brand on it readable at
300 km/h ! . And no feedback squeels from the tires ? Oh, sure, after you
lost all the control.
"Hovercraft" ? I couldn't agree more. Thanks, Jagg : ))))
If you like F1RC physics, I am glad you do. Aren't we all after personal
satisfaction ? My point is to give my constructive critisicm to sim
developers so that they can come up with improvements when releasing new
titles. I am not here to continue to further critisize a sim you like and to
look like a flamer. I am stopping it here. I wish I could like F1RC too.
PS: I used no-aids (expert) and tried many setups. Still hopeless. :(
> >The "hovercraft" references by some amaze me.
> I made that reference in here. Does the full version have a different
> physics engine than the demo? If not, I can only surmise that you have
> wet your knickers over the graphics and are glossing over the reality
> of the physics engine.
Who cares for fancy graphics and nice track accuracy? (even if they put
grandstands where there is not). It's not even a good hotlapper.
Ridiculous.
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