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No, I'm not expecting pitch and roll. I'm just expecting it to give a
feeling of the road and not like I'm floating above the track. But, if
it is due to only the arcade mode being on in the demo then I will buy
F1RC and give it a chance at least.

Yea, I play GPL sometimes. I'm not a huge fan of it though because I
suck at it. :-)

Nice review of F1RC... must get around to buying and trying that one for
myself some day.

Jan.
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Ask her what she did with that ice-pick we sent over. That thing was
expensive, could've almost hired an out of work KGB hitman for that
amount! ;->

I was quite impressed with the demo, but I couldn't get the steering to
feel "right"... same problem I had with GP2/3. The rest seemed pretty
promising though if, as you say, that was the lower-fi driving model.

Andrew McP

Glenn

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"It's easy to criticize from outside the***pit".
-Murray Walker, 1993 Australian G.P.

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Andre

As you wish :)

The bad:

AI - as you said, it's bad and definately needs a fix

Multiplayer - With 4 cars or less, it's good, any more cars and
multiplayer becomes unplayable. Why's that? More than 2 years ago a
certain racing sim came out with rock-solid 20-car multiplayer..
Why-o-why can't GP3, F1CS and F1RC have good multiplayer?
Contrary to you I do like full grid races with some fast guys and some
backmarkers.

Force feedback: Not even comparable to the ff of GPL, N4 or Nascar
Heat (with Slot's ff tweaks), far below GP3's ff, it's allmost on the
same level as F1CS' ff.
And that means -bad-.
Allthough I don't enjoy GP3 for numerous reasons, one thing I like
about it is that you can feel if you're on the limit because of the
reasonable good ff.
And that's my biggest problem with F1RC: you hardly feel when you're
on the limit, you get no cues from ff or the sound.

The good stuff:

The rest. Graphics are amazing, hotlapping is major fun, setup options
are fantastic, and numerous details on the track give the whole a
complete f1-experience.

I agree with you David, we've got a diamond of a racing sim here, ubi
just have to release a patch which improves the AI, multiplayer and ff
problems and it would be damn-near perfect imho.

Andre

PS Jan, when will I get that dress I lend you back??
The purple/yellow polka dot one I mean :)

http://www.simracingnews.com

|
| >First, the negative. That's what most here love to dwell on anyway. :-P
|
| As you wish :)
|
| The bad:
|
| AI - as you said, it's bad and definately needs a fix
|
| Multiplayer - With 4 cars or less, it's good, any more cars and
| multiplayer becomes unplayable. Why's that? More than 2 years ago a
| certain racing sim came out with rock-solid 20-car multiplayer..
| Why-o-why can't GP3, F1CS and F1RC have good multiplayer?
| Contrary to you I do like full grid races with some fast guys and some
| backmarkers.
|
| Force feedback: Not even comparable to the ff of GPL, N4 or Nascar
| Heat (with Slot's ff tweaks), far below GP3's ff, it's allmost on the
| same level as F1CS' ff.
| And that means -bad-.
| Allthough I don't enjoy GP3 for numerous reasons, one thing I like
| about it is that you can feel if you're on the limit because of the
| reasonable good ff.
| And that's my biggest problem with F1RC: you hardly feel when you're
| on the limit, you get no cues from ff or the sound.
|
| The good stuff:
|
| The rest. Graphics are amazing, hotlapping is major fun, setup options
| are fantastic, and numerous details on the track give the whole a
| complete f1-experience.
|
| I agree with you David, we've got a diamond of a racing sim here, ubi
| just have to release a patch which improves the AI, multiplayer and ff
| problems and it would be damn-near perfect imho.
|
| Andre
|
| PS Jan, when will I get that dress I lend you back??
| The purple/yellow polka dot one I mean :)

Andre

If a***pit is static in a game, then we're being deprived of some
vitally-important cues.  If the sounds come in on-cue, rather than in
response to what the physics engine is really doing, then we're being
deprived of some vitally-important cues.

At this point in the game, even the best implementations of Force
Feedback have to "fake" a certain amount of information to make for a
convincing and informative experience with existing Force Feedback
wheels.  This is perfectly acceptable, because it reflects a
limitation of the hardware and the medium being used.

Similarly, "lively"***pits that convey GOOD pitch, yaw, and roll
information in a simulation is equally acceptable.  In fact, it's
critically important, as far as I'm concerned -- far more important
than how a game implements Force Feedback, in my book.

As for an modern F1 car not having the same amount of suspension
travel as a 1967 Grand Prix machine, that may be true -- but I can
GUARANTEE you that even with modern suspensions, helmets, head
restraints, and the HANS device, Michael Schumacher's neck has
virtually the SAME amount of travel and the same number of degrees of
freedom as Jim Clark -- or pretty darn close, anyway.  So maybe the
car and the***pit doesn't see as much movement, but we all can see
with our own eyes just how much a modern F1 driver's head moves around
in the***pit.  So why should our virtual***pit remain solidly
fixed and virtually stationary save for the slightest, little,
barely-perceptible movements?

In this regard, I find the minimal amount of movement provided in
F1RC's second in-cockpit view to be wholly insufficient to convey any
useful information to me.  I still hope that the full version proves
to be better overall, but, frankly, the pathetically-lacking "demo"
that Ubisoft foisted upon us just about p!$$&d me off enough to put a
real damper on my enthusiasm at this point.

-- JB

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