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by **Obak** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:01:59

>I guess after they crushed 3dfx, they have a monopoly and
>can charge exorbitant prices. Read on ..

>http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR A VIDEO CARD!!!!????

>YOU CAN BUY A WHOLE DAMN COMPUTER FOR THAT!!

>They don't need publicity at NVidia; they need drug rehabilitation.

>We will not review any such absurdly priced product until the
>absurdity vanishes. To do so would be a disservice to our audience and
>only serve to encourage people to waste money.

i don't see what their problem is. there are plenty of highend videocards out
on the market NOW that cost even more then that. 3d labs being one of the
more popular brands. maybe the new card isn't aimed at kids that wanna play
games on their daddy's computer? and even if it is, the price will fall
quickly. some might not be able to afford it on the release date, but most
won't mind the wait. they don't need to impress people with flash computers.

Obake

by PG » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:18:15

They are going to push the limit's on price's till the market say's NO MORE,
then they will come back to reality........Remember the old saying "just
say no to ***"? New one: " Just say no to nVidia"!!

by **bad_sneak..** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:59:53

Several things:

1) This is from the link (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/#982608161)
your link pointed to

"The cards on GeForce3 are expected to start selling in mid March and
their recommended price is set around $699. Although we believe the
cost will drop down by $100-150 by the time the cards become really
available."

Don't know the mechanics of the price drop, but guess they have their
reasons for believing such.

2) Just like the V5 6000 (still on the boards by whomever?) when it
was planned, the openning price is kinda high. Not to worry, ATI and
Matrox are still out there capable of (and have) competetive products.

3) 3dfx probably had more to do with their own demise than NVIDIA did.

>I guess after they crushed 3dfx, they have a monopoly and
>can charge exorbitant prices. Read on ..

by **O. Phoo** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:40:21

With this video card, you don't need a computer. It would only slow
things down. You won't, however, be able to store recipes with it.

by **Pierre Legra** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:28:23

This is completely futile....Nvidia's tactics and company policies
have always been ridiculous and nothing anyone will do is gonna change
it. Now they have absolutely no reason to change, ATI will die soon,
and indeed Nvidia's behaviour has been reinforced. The only hope for
change is the pitiful driver stability will likely improve just
because they may have discarded that silly view that they must whether
its ready or not release a video card every six months. The driver
stability wont improve because of their desire to do a job correctly
but because it costs them money to do it wrong.

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by **Kendt Eklu** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:30:34

>I guess after they crushed 3dfx, they have a monopoly and
>can charge exorbitant prices. Read on ..

[snip]

And the truly sad thing is that one of the reasons 3dfx canned the
V5-6000 is because it's price would be somewhere around $600 on
release, and they didn't believe people would be willing to spend that
much.
But hell, people are buying P4's when a T-bird will stomp all over it,
so you never know :(...
Maybe nVidia are keeping NV20's at ludicrous price levels to ensure a
good X-Box launch? They probably also have to clear the channels a
bit of the high-priced GF2 cards as well before they can re-align
prices.
Yeah that's it, nothing to do with complete lack of competition in the
high-end :(....

Kendt

by **pappajoema..** » Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:53:36

:(
:(I guess after they crushed 3dfx, they have a monopoly and
:(can charge exorbitant prices. Read on ..
:(
:(http://www.overclockers.com/tips344/
:(
:(SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR A VIDEO CARD!!!!????
:(
:(YOU CAN BUY A WHOLE DAMN COMPUTER FOR THAT!!
:(
:(They don't need publicity at NVidia; they need drug rehabilitation.
:(
:(We will not review any such absurdly priced product until the
:(absurdity vanishes. To do so would be a disservice to our audience and
:(only serve to encourage people to waste money.
:(
:(We strongly urge other computer websites to do the same. NVidia needs
:(to be sent a message. This is just greed. Maybe they'll roll back the
:(prices somewhat if there are enough messengers willing to take a
:(stand.
:(
:(For those of you who say, "If you don't like the price, don't buy it,"
:(that's just what I was going to say.:)
:(
:(Email Ed

Maybe the Justice Department should look at NVida vis-a-vis Anti-Trust.

by **D.Mille** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 00:27:07

ROFLMAO!!!!

I'd NEVER spend that much on a damn vid card. My personal limit tops out at
about 180 bucks or so. Any more than that is just gratuitious.

And yes, I'm a very patient man. :)

Note to developers: you're crazy if you do any designing *specifically* for
this card (without full backwards compatability). At that price it will
never see the inside of my computer, nor, consequently, would your product.

As Mike Tyson would say: "That is just ludicrous." :)

D. "Dada" Miller

by **Roger Squire** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:36:45

I believe crytek.com is doing a GF3-only demo prog now.

rms

by **Walt Bertra** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 02:08:30

The referenced article points out that the video cards are produced by
Hercules, ASUS, and ELSA. nVidia makes and sells the chip, not the
video card, so blame the card manufacturers for the price of the card.

I don't know what the GEForce3 chip costs, but I bet the 350MHz RAMDAC
and 460MHz memory don't come cheap!

By the way, I think 3Dfx killed themselves, rather than being
"crushed" by nVidia. Unless making a superior product is somehow a
bad thing now, I don't see what nVidia did that was "crushing".

Walt

> I guess after they crushed 3dfx, they have a monopoly and
> can charge exorbitant prices. Read on ..

> http://www.overclockers.com/tips344/

> SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR A VIDEO CARD!!!!????

> YOU CAN BUY A WHOLE DAMN COMPUTER FOR THAT!!

> They don't need publicity at NVidia; they need drug rehabilitation.

> We will not review any such absurdly priced product until the
> absurdity vanishes. To do so would be a disservice to our audience and
> only serve to encourage people to waste money.

> We strongly urge other computer websites to do the same. NVidia needs
> to be sent a message. This is just greed. Maybe they'll roll back the
> prices somewhat if there are enough messengers willing to take a
> stand.

> For those of you who say, "If you don't like the price, don't buy it,"
> that's just what I was going to say.:)

> Email Ed

by **Marc de Vrie** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 02:17:39

On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:36:45 -0700, "Roger Squires"

>> Note to developers: you're crazy if you do any designing *specifically*
>for
>> this card

> I believe crytek.com is doing a GF3-only demo prog now.

How would they want to do that? AFAIK there is not a single feature in
the GF3 that the competition doesn't have.

It's not like 3DFX with their Glide API.

Marc

by **3000** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 02:20:37

While I don't share the pain (I get these toys for free <g>), it is a
tad absurd.

But hey, guess what?!? *** is a hobbist sport. And hobbyists are
notorious for having all the cool stuff. So, if the price is out of
your range, don't buy it. heh, its like walking into a grocery store
and going...

SEVEN DOLLARS FOR A RIB EYE STEAK!!!!????

YOU CAN BUY A WHOLE GRAM OF CRACK FOR THAT!!

- or -

SEVENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR AN SUV!!!!????

YOU CAN BUY TEN CARS FOR THAT!!

Derek Smart Ph.D.
Designer/Lead Developer
The Battlecruiser Series
www.3000ad.com ICQ: 158435

"Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a
living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct,
then go ahead ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
- Warren Marshall, Epic Games"

by **Mike Eppe** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 03:13:56

True per-pixel shading and lighting... that is huge to developers.

--MikeE

by **George M. Smile** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 03:18:17

> Note to developers: you're crazy if you do any
> designing *specifically* for this card (without full
> backwards compatability).

Not really, this is after all the same architecture as
found in the X-Box (a product designed to rid PC
game developers of backwards compatibility
limitations).

As for the quoted price, just because you read it
doesn't mean it is true. For instance if you were
to take the trouble of visiting the Nvidia website
and clicking on the GF3 link a few clicks later you
will end up at the Apple store where one can
buy an 'Apple Power Mac G4 NVIDIA GeForce3
Video Card Kit ' for $599.00.

Bear in mind that is bone stock retail for the more
expensive Apple variant. For reference the ATI
Radeon 32Mb Mac bought from the Apple store is
166% more than a PC variant from a online
discount store.

So it won't be cheap, but it certainly will not be
$700 (probably priced slighlty more than a GF2
Ultra), of more pressing concern will be availability
and just what on Earth will 'HRAA' mean?

- George

by **Dave Henri** » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 03:23:01

I have yet to see how the nvidia is a superior product. This newsgroup
is
full of posts about folks having to wrestle their gewhiz cards just to
display
properly. I will admit the basic speed of the cards is good, especially in
the Quake world, but for simming the nvidia products are merely equal to
others like 3dfx and ATI.
Currently the I'm running a 3dfx V5 and nothing I have seen in this
newsgroup
has caused me to have 2nd thoughts about that purchase. Someday I will be
forced to abandon the card, but I haven't seen anything out there yet that
justifies switching.
3dfx's failure could possibly be attributed to the lack of OEM sales. I
believe they thought purchasing STB would give them plenty of OEM accounts,
but
nvidia was able to grab the lion's share of these and 3dfx was doomed.
Right up til the time they ceased operations, I believe 3dfx retail sales
were still higher than nvidia based cards, but these sales weren't enough to
offset the lack of OEM contracts
dave henrie

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