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Overclockers.com refuses to review new NVIDIA GeForce3

Jagg

Overclockers.com refuses to review new NVIDIA GeForce3

by Jagg » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:52:18

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:01:15 GMT, Walt Bertram


>No, I said "350Mhz RAMDAC".

Hehe...my head hurts. :-)
Even the V3 has 350mhz ramdac.
3000

Overclockers.com refuses to review new NVIDIA GeForce3

by 3000 » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:58:54



You mean the steak, right? <g>

Derek Smart Ph.D.
Designer/Lead Developer
The Battlecruiser Series
www.3000ad.com ICQ: 158435

"Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a
living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct,
then go ahead ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
- Warren Marshall, Epic Games"

D.Mille

Overclockers.com refuses to review new NVIDIA GeForce3

by D.Mille » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:38:08


ROFLMAO!

psssst.

No come closer.  *whispers confidentially*  Try losing the pocket protector.

;-D

(Thank God flightsims didn't come along until I was pretty much
amourously-settled.  The wife ain't going anywhere.  I got a paper that says
so.  =)  )

D. "Dada-who-got-laid-way-too-much-in-college" Miller.

D.Mille

Overclockers.com refuses to review new NVIDIA GeForce3

by D.Mille » Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:43:14

Ahh, very nice.  I'm impressed.  :)

There's hope for you yet.  *ggg*

I must confess that I had you pegged for a sandal-wearing, tofu queen.  ;-D

DDM





> >> SEVEN DOLLARS FOR A RIB EYE STEAK!!!!????

> >> YOU CAN BUY A WHOLE GRAM OF CRACK  FOR THAT!!

> >Voice of experience there, Derek?

> >Come to think of it, that *would* explain a lot.  ;-)

> You mean the steak, right? <g>

> Derek Smart Ph.D.
> Designer/Lead Developer
> The Battlecruiser Series
> www.3000ad.com ICQ: 158435

> "Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a
> living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct,
> then go ahead ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
> - Warren Marshall, Epic Games"

Stuart Becktel

Overclockers.com refuses to review new NVIDIA GeForce3

by Stuart Becktel » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:17:19

Yea, OEM sells mean more then any of the relativavily small Geforce 2 sells.
If you look at any of the notebooks, they have a ATI video card in them.
Think of all of the millions of notebooks out there, and if they just get 25
bucks for each of them, they are already ahead of nvida. OEM is also how
3dfx stayed in for so long. OEM is just so much more important that crappy
video cards do not matter if you can give them cheap cards that can run at
800x600 at 16-bit (or less)

--
-Stuart Becktell
Sports editor for UltimateGN.com
"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of and no limit, any fool could get into a
motor car, and racing would not exist as a sport."
 - Jim Clark '62 and '65 World F1 Champion and Indy 500 Champion




> >This is completely futile....Nvidia's tactics and company policies
> >have always been ridiculous and nothing anyone will do is gonna change
> >it. Now they have absolutely no reason to change, ATI will die soon,
> [snip]

> ATI won't be dying anytime soon. They're still the #1 OEM manufacturer,
and
> they have huge contracts Nvidia would sell their souls for.

> If I remember correctly, ATI gets most of their income from bulk OEM sales
> (onboard mobo goodies)

Andre Warrin

Overclockers.com refuses to review new NVIDIA GeForce3

by Andre Warrin » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:34:40

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:58:54 GMT, "Derek Smart (3000AD)"


>You mean the steak, right? <g>
>Derek Smart Ph.D.
>Designer/Lead Developer
>The Battlecruiser Series
>www.3000ad.com ICQ: 158435

>"Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a
>living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct,
>then go ahead ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
>- Warren Marshall, Epic Games"

OH MY GOD - What is Smart doing here in RAS???
Hey, go away, we allready have our own DGF!!

Andre

"Michael feels the same way about safety in auto racing as I do. Great minds
think alike." - David G Fisher

ymenar

Overclockers.com refuses to review new NVIDIA GeForce3

by ymenar » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 04:36:20


> OH MY GOD - What is Smart doing here in RAS???
> Hey, go away, we allready have our own DGF!!

Hehe I had the same reaction.  Looks like Ed decided for a big cross-post
this time ;-)

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

3000

Overclockers.com refuses to review new NVIDIA GeForce3

by 3000 » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 06:55:48



hehe

...actually, am cutting back on the tofu <G>

Derek Smart Ph.D.
Designer/Lead Developer
The Battlecruiser Series
www.3000ad.com ICQ: 158435

"Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a
living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct,
then go ahead ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
- Warren Marshall, Epic Games"

Magnus Svensso

Overclockers.com refuses to review new NVIDIA GeForce3

by Magnus Svensso » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:08:21


>On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:34:59 +0100, Magnus Svensson

>>RAMDAC != core.

>I known that. And the info I got doesn't say 350mhz. Or is the info I
>got posted Feb 1st wrong?

No, they aren't. I just recognized that the only 350MHz Walt mentioned
in this thread was the RAMDAC speed.

/Magnus
GPLRank hcp: -41.66

Simon Brow

Overclockers.com refuses to review new NVIDIA GeForce3

by Simon Brow » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:25:23

I've owned both a V5 and GF2, and they're both very compatible cards.


Simon Brow

Overclockers.com refuses to review new NVIDIA GeForce3

by Simon Brow » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:33:44

The card has no features that fall outside the realms of DirectX8.  If
developers don't want to use DX8 features, then more than GF3 owners will
miss out.  Whatever ATI bring out to follow the Radeon, it will most likely
support Pixel Shaders, just like the GF3.  Plus the GF3 is the hardware in
the X-Box, so anything written to take advantage of pixel shaders will be
easily portable to the X-box.

Supporting the GF3 is no different from supporting any other video card.  PC
developers always have and always will need to ensure their products run on
a broad range of hardware.


Jagg

Overclockers.com refuses to review new NVIDIA GeForce3

by Jagg » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:25:04

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 04:25:23 GMT, "Simon Brown"


>I've owned both a V5 and GF2, and they're both very compatible cards.

I've owned both too and found the V5 drivers have far less
problems/bugs than the Nvidia flavour.
Robert Thomso

Overclockers.com refuses to review new NVIDIA GeForce3

by Robert Thomso » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:20:46

Who can afford that?  I paid $299 CDN for a Voodoo 5500 AGP , it should meet
my needs for a while.

Most people I talk to think that's too much.


Chris Schmelze

Overclockers.com refuses to review new NVIDIA GeForce3

by Chris Schmelze » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:33:21



> On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:08:30 GMT, Walt Bertram

> >The referenced article points out that the video cards are produced by
> >Hercules, ASUS, and ELSA.  nVidia makes and sells the chip, not the
> >video card, so blame the card manufacturers for the price of the card.

> >I don't know what the GEForce3 chip costs, but I bet the 350MHz RAMDAC
> >and 460MHz memory don't come cheap!

> A bit over indulgeng on those specs aren't you? Found this on a forum
> dated Feb.1.

> "The NVIDIA will release its GeForce3 in a few days. Several leak info
> have indicated that the video core and memory on GeForce3 will run at
> 200MHz and 230MHz respectively. These are no any faster than those of
> GeForce2 Ultra (core/memory = 250MHz/230MHz). We all know that memory
> bandwidth is the main factor that limits the performance of video
> cards today. Then, with the same memory bandwidth and lower video core
> speed how can that GeForce3 take on a better performance than its
> predecessor? "

This whole GF3 thing is getting ridiculous on the groups...

The RAM is DDR (230mhz, equivalent to 460mhz SDR)

Memory bandwidth IS important and NVidia will agree to that.  The GF3
would appear to have the same limitations as the GF2Ultra cards given
the specs, but if you read further, you will see the GF3 takes advanage
of many different 'tricks' to bypass this problem, including Z-buffer
compression that can move data up to 4x faster than GF2Ultra, Hidden
Surface Removal as well..

It also does 4x4 FSAA without a significant speed hit... imagine your
favorite flight sim running 1280x1024 with 4x FSAA at 80FPS...

I, for one, ORDERED A GF3 for my new PowerMac g4/533 dual
processor..$350 as a Build to order, and I think it will be well worth
it..

Chris Schmelze

Overclockers.com refuses to review new NVIDIA GeForce3

by Chris Schmelze » Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:35:00



> Not if no one can afford to buy the damned card...

> They ain't gonna write a game for, what, 4 people ?

I think more than 4 people are going to buy X-Boxes, and their video is
NV20/GF3 based.....

Developers are saying anything written to take advantage of X-Box
features will carry over to PC and Mac ports...


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