rec.autos.simulators

>I tried the new driver with GPL (1.0.0.0 of course).

>Results: pathetic. The latest Detonator drivers may have fixed the frequent
>gpf's of the previous Detonators, but I didn't stick around long enough to
find
>out. With 1.88 TNT drivers, GPL on my Celeron 450A (300A overclocked) feels
like
>it is running at 10MHz. Every menu click is followed by a 20 second wait
until
>the next screen appears. I ran the directx diagnostic tool which passed
with no
>problems and at normal speeds, so obviously nvidia did not test the 1.88
>Detonator with GPL in mind.

>Back to the trusty old 0.48 reference drivers for me until nvidia gets its
act
>together, or the GPL 1.1 patch is certified to work with 1.88 Detonators.
Nvidia
>have great hardware but the drivers upgrades are a joke.

>Keith.

>I would buy a refurbished 12MB V2 from Creative (50.00 US) and end my
>frustration If I were in the same position.

>DN

>> I tried the new driver with GPL (1.0.0.0 of course).

>> Results: pathetic. The latest Detonator drivers may have fixed the
>frequent
>> gpf's of the previous Detonators, but I didn't stick around long enough
to
>find
>> out. With 1.88 TNT drivers, GPL on my Celeron 450A (300A overclocked)
>feels like
>> it is running at 10MHz. Every menu click is followed by a 20 second wait
>until
>> the next screen appears. I ran the directx diagnostic tool which passed
>with no
>> problems and at normal speeds, so obviously nvidia did not test the 1.88
>> Detonator with GPL in mind.

>> Back to the trusty old 0.48 reference drivers for me until nvidia gets
its
>act
>> together, or the GPL 1.1 patch is certified to work with 1.88 Detonators.
>Nvidia
>> have great hardware but the drivers upgrades are a joke.

>> Keith.

> The new detonator (1.88 I think) drivers are available at
> If you have an AGP card...
> ftp://ftp2.detonator.nvidia.com/pub/drivers/english/riva-tnt-tnt2-van...
> x/win9x188agp.zip

> If you have a PCI card
> ftp://ftp2.detonator.nvidia.com/pub/drivers/english/riva-tnt-tnt2-van...
> x/win9x188pci.zip

> If those sites are down...

> If you have an AGP card...
> ftp://ftp1.detonator.nvidia.com/pub/drivers/english/riva-tnt-tnt2-van...
> x/win9x188agp.zip

> If you have a PCI card
> ftp://ftp1.detonator.nvidia.com/pub/drivers/english/riva-tnt-tnt2-van...
> x/win9x188pci.zip

> these arre official from Nvidia so they should be good for most systems, no
> complaints from my STB card. These are new as of Friday

> enjoy...

> yes, I think the only ones that should be interested are those who play
> games other than GPL, like SCGT, F1rs etc etc... there are other sims out
> there. :)

> and boy would I like to see a good engine like GPL;s in an era I can get
> into (with D3D)

> >I would buy a refurbished 12MB V2 from Creative (50.00 US) and end my
> >frustration If I were in the same position.

> >DN

> >> I tried the new driver with GPL (1.0.0.0 of course).

> >> Results: pathetic. The latest Detonator drivers may have fixed the
> >frequent
> >> gpf's of the previous Detonators, but I didn't stick around long enough
> to
> >find
> >> out. With 1.88 TNT drivers, GPL on my Celeron 450A (300A overclocked)
> >feels like
> >> it is running at 10MHz. Every menu click is followed by a 20 second
wait
> >until
> >> the next screen appears. I ran the directx diagnostic tool which passed
> >with no
> >> problems and at normal speeds, so obviously nvidia did not test the
1.88
> >> Detonator with GPL in mind.

> >> Back to the trusty old 0.48 reference drivers for me until nvidia gets
> its
> >act
> >> together, or the GPL 1.1 patch is certified to work with 1.88
Detonators.
> >Nvidia
> >> have great hardware but the drivers upgrades are a joke.

> >> Keith.

>I do think they should start supporting Windows 2000 as it now is in public
>beta.

>TF (obviously running Windows 2000 beta 3)
>_____________________________________________

>Kieth, the Detonator drivers are fine, and I found that the 1.88 drivers
>really improved performanbce with the NFS4 demo. Being that GPL dosn't even
>support Open GL at this point (beta dosn't count as support) Why should
>Nvidia make special drivers fro a game that dosn't even support thier
>platform and not to mentiobn dosn't have a lot of volume of thier customers
>being that it requires Glide or Rendition. It isn't the 1.88 drivers that
>arer bad, it is that GPL hasn't implimented OGL at any resprectable level.
>The card makers can't baby set reach game and provide drivers for
>inidividual games that the programers didn't support themselves.

> >I do think they should start supporting Windows 2000 as it now is in public
> >beta.

> >TF (obviously running Windows 2000 beta 3)
> >_____________________________________________

> I have read in PC Week and elsewhere that Microsoft have given up on the idea of
> having Windows 2000 run most older software, and are aiming at about a 60%
> success rate.

> Is that your experience? I can get the beta3 code but have been put off by the
> apparent disregard for backwards compatibility.

> Keith.

>>Kieth, the Detonator drivers are fine, and I found that the 1.88 drivers
>>really improved performanbce with the NFS4 demo. Being that GPL dosn't
even
>>support Open GL at this point (beta dosn't count as support) Why should
>>Nvidia make special drivers fro a game that dosn't even support thier
>>platform and not to mentiobn dosn't have a lot of volume of thier
customers
>>being that it requires Glide or Rendition. It isn't the 1.88 drivers that
>>arer bad, it is that GPL hasn't implimented OGL at any resprectable level.
>>The card makers can't baby set reach game and provide drivers for
>>inidividual games that the programers didn't support themselves.

>It doesn't matter if you choose software rendering or OpenGL, it is the
menus
>that are slow. The quality of OpenGL in 1.88 and GPL is irrelevant to my
>argument.

>Keith.

>> >I do think they should start supporting Windows 2000 as it now is in
public
>> >beta.

>> >TF (obviously running Windows 2000 beta 3)
>> >_____________________________________________

>> I have read in PC Week and elsewhere that Microsoft have given up on the
idea of
>> having Windows 2000 run most older software, and are aiming at about a
60%
>> success rate.

>> Is that your experience? I can get the beta3 code but have been put off
by the
>> apparent disregard for backwards compatibility.

>> Keith.

>As long as the game doesn't refuse to run on NT as it thinks there is
little DirectX
>support it runs fine. After all, DirectX 7 is included and OpenGL have
always been
>there.
>I've run Motocross Madness, Sportscar GT, i688 Hunter/killer, Flight sim
98, Grim
>Fandango, Quake 3 test, Heroes of Might and Magic 3, Heretic 2 and more
without any
>problems on Windows 2000. Only problems I've had is with Powerslide and NFS
HS that
>refuses to run on NT.  Stupid conding. Those games should check for DirectX
support,
>not OS type!

>TF

> so in your oppinion the problens with NFS 4 not running along with others
> would be easilly patchable?

> >> >I do think they should start supporting Windows 2000 as it now is in
> public
> >> >beta.

> >> >TF (obviously running Windows 2000 beta 3)
> >> >_____________________________________________

> >> I have read in PC Week and elsewhere that Microsoft have given up on
the
> idea of
> >> having Windows 2000 run most older software, and are aiming at about a
> 60%
> >> success rate.

> >> Is that your experience? I can get the beta3 code but have been put off
> by the
> >> apparent disregard for backwards compatibility.

> >> Keith.

> >As long as the game doesn't refuse to run on NT as it thinks there is
> little DirectX
> >support it runs fine. After all, DirectX 7 is included and OpenGL have
> always been
> >there.
> >I've run Motocross Madness, Sportscar GT, i688 Hunter/killer, Flight sim
> 98, Grim
> >Fandango, Quake 3 test, Heroes of Might and Magic 3, Heretic 2 and more
> without any
> >problems on Windows 2000. Only problems I've had is with Powerslide and
NFS
> HS that
> >refuses to run on NT.  Stupid conding. Those games should check for
DirectX
> support,
> >not OS type!

> >TF