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Montoya Hype

ymenar

Montoya Hype

by ymenar » Fri, 18 May 2001 01:26:48


> Oh Ouch...   that was just plain rude and cruel Graeme! ;)

> ymenard...  could you help me pull this knife out of my back???    =)

Why?, I'm enjoying the moment Scott ;-D

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David G Fishe

Montoya Hype

by David G Fishe » Fri, 18 May 2001 04:57:15

Ferrari Technical Director Ross Brawn had no second thoughts on Montoya's
actions, calling them "stupid". "He was so obsessed with stopping Michael go
past that they both went off and he lost a load of positions as well," Brawn
had said. "That wasn't a very good judgement. I've no problem with drivers
being hard in terms of fighting for positions, but that was pointless."

That quote pretty much sums it up for me, but I do understand your points.

David G Fisher


> Hi David!

> But that's what racing is about! Running first is certainly not being a
> backmarker, even though your car is slower. You indeed should not hold
> back the drivers that are lapping you, but certainly you are entitled to
> your position and line as long as you are running in a higher position
> than the car behind you. There is absolutely nothing wrong with holding
> five cars behind you, as long as ou stay within the rules. Which Montoya
> did. He has every right to do so in the next race, I (and FIA as well)
> don't see anything wrong with that.

> In fact, it was one of the most memorable moments of last season when
> one of the Minardis fought for position (not being lapped) with Hakkinen
> at Indy. Was he slower? Certainly. Should he let Hakkinen by without
> giving a fight? Certainly not!

> -Gregor


> > The main problem with what Montoya did was that he knew he was holding
up
> > five other cars (lapping 1-2 seconds slower) yet still decided to make a
> > very risky move to defend his position. Even though he was in first
place at
> > the time of the incident, he was basically a backmarker who was creating
a
> > conga line behind him. All forgivable if his childish comments afterward
> > didn't indicate he would do the same thing under the same circumstances.

> > David G Fisher

Gerry Aitke

Montoya Hype

by Gerry Aitke » Fri, 18 May 2001 05:51:46


> Ferrari Technical Director Ross Brawn had no second thoughts on Montoya's
> actions, calling them "stupid". "He was so obsessed with stopping Michael go
> past that they both went off and he lost a load of positions as well," Brawn
> had said. "That wasn't a very good judgement. I've no problem with drivers
> being hard in terms of fighting for positions, but that was pointless."

> That quote pretty much sums it up for me, but I do understand your points.

But he's a MS fan like you, so he would say that wouldn't he. Now the
rest of us motor racing fans WANT to see that.

That pretty much sums it up for me, but I do understand your points.

Gerry

David G Fishe

Montoya Hype

by David G Fishe » Fri, 18 May 2001 06:08:32

You're right Gerry, NO ONE outside of MS fans have criticized Montoya. ALL
the criticism has come ONLY from Ferrari and MS fans. Funny thing is, I
could of sworn I was also a fan of Coulthard, Alesi, R. Schumacher,
Hakkinen, Barrichello, Irvine, Frentzen..........

David G Fisher



> > Ferrari Technical Director Ross Brawn had no second thoughts on
Montoya's
> > actions, calling them "stupid". "He was so obsessed with stopping
Michael go
> > past that they both went off and he lost a load of positions as well,"
Brawn
> > had said. "That wasn't a very good judgement. I've no problem with
drivers
> > being hard in terms of fighting for positions, but that was pointless."

> > That quote pretty much sums it up for me, but I do understand your
points.

> But he's a MS fan like you, so he would say that wouldn't he. Now the
> rest of us motor racing fans WANT to see that.

> That pretty much sums it up for me, but I do understand your points.

> Gerry

David G Fishe

Montoya Hype

by David G Fishe » Fri, 18 May 2001 06:09:55

BTW, you're desperation to criticize me reminds me of Montoya's immature and
desperate attempt to block the world's greatest driver.

David G Fisher



> > Ferrari Technical Director Ross Brawn had no second thoughts on
Montoya's
> > actions, calling them "stupid". "He was so obsessed with stopping
Michael go
> > past that they both went off and he lost a load of positions as well,"
Brawn
> > had said. "That wasn't a very good judgement. I've no problem with
drivers
> > being hard in terms of fighting for positions, but that was pointless."

> > That quote pretty much sums it up for me, but I do understand your
points.

> But he's a MS fan like you, so he would say that wouldn't he. Now the
> rest of us motor racing fans WANT to see that.

> That pretty much sums it up for me, but I do understand your points.

> Gerry

Gerry Aitke

Montoya Hype

by Gerry Aitke » Fri, 18 May 2001 07:23:20


> BTW, you're desperation to criticize me reminds me of Montoya's immature and
> desperate attempt to block the world's greatest driver.

Oh nice analogy David, you, of course, being the world greatest debater
<G>.

Gerry

Jan Verschuere

Montoya Hype

by Jan Verschuere » Fri, 18 May 2001 08:04:53

LOL... beat me to it.

Jan.
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Dave Henri

Montoya Hype

by Dave Henri » Fri, 18 May 2001 09:08:26



  You mean he also tried to block Tommy Makkinen???
dave henrie  :)  <VBG>

Graeme Nas

Montoya Hype

by Graeme Nas » Sat, 19 May 2001 02:24:36

This is the one that does it for me, from autosport.com -

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WORLD CHAMP BACKTRACKS OVER "SILLY" REMARK

Reigning world champion Michael Schumacher has taken a back step on
remarks about his clash with Formula 1 rookie Juan Pablo Montoya in the
Austrian Grand Prix and has decided to agree with the Colombian in
calling it a 'racing incident'.

Schumacher attempted to overtake Montoya for the lead around the outside
on the entry to the tight Remus Kurve, but the Williams driver refused
to yield forcing both drivers to run wide and into the gravel trap. The
pair re-joined in sixth and seventh place.

After the race Schumacher branded Montoya's actions as 'silly' and said
that he would be having words with the 25-year-old, but on reflection
the German appears to have had a change of heart.

"Having watched the race on television and seen what happened on lap
16," said Schumacher, "I can say that it was less serious than I had
thought at the time. I want to make it clear that, in my opinion, it was
a normal race incident, as indeed I said later on Sunday night. It has
to be said that when you sit in the car, you don't get the overview of
the situation which you can have looking from outside."
-----------------

Oh well David. Thanks anyway.

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Graeme Nash

Thom j

Montoya Hype

by Thom j » Sat, 19 May 2001 02:35:50

Touche` Graeme!! :o)

| This is the one that does it for me, from autosport.com -
|
| -----------------
| WORLD CHAMP BACKTRACKS OVER "SILLY" REMARK
|
| Reigning world champion Michael Schumacher has taken a back step on
| remarks about his clash with Formula 1 rookie Juan Pablo Montoya in the
| Austrian Grand Prix and has decided to agree with the Colombian in
| calling it a 'racing incident'.
|
| Schumacher attempted to overtake Montoya for the lead around the outside
| on the entry to the tight Remus Kurve, but the Williams driver refused
| to yield forcing both drivers to run wide and into the gravel trap. The
| pair re-joined in sixth and seventh place.
|
| After the race Schumacher branded Montoya's actions as 'silly' and said
| that he would be having words with the 25-year-old, but on reflection
| the German appears to have had a change of heart.
|
| "Having watched the race on television and seen what happened on lap
| 16," said Schumacher, "I can say that it was less serious than I had
| thought at the time. I want to make it clear that, in my opinion, it was
| a normal race incident, as indeed I said later on Sunday night. It has
| to be said that when you sit in the car, you don't get the overview of
| the situation which you can have looking from outside."
| -----------------
| Oh well David. Thanks anyway.
| --
| Cheers!
| Graeme Nash

Gerry Aitke

Montoya Hype

by Gerry Aitke » Sat, 19 May 2001 02:35:39


> >That quote pretty much sums it up for me

> This is the one that does it for me, from autosport.com -
>"Having watched the race on television and seen what happened on lap
>16," said Schumacher, "I can say that it was less serious than I had
>thought at the time. I want to make it clear that, in my opinion, it was
>a normal race incident, as indeed I said later on Sunday night. It has
>to be said that when you sit in the car, you don't get the overview of
>the situation which you can have looking from outside." -- Michael Schumacher

Hehe, now DGF can go and tell Schumacker he's wrong <G>.

Cheers

Gerry

David G Fishe

Montoya Hype

by David G Fishe » Sat, 19 May 2001 04:54:36

God, you GPL guys are idiots. I never said Montoya tried to take Schumacher
off the track. Schumacher said that.

Let me speak slooooowly as yet another r.a.s. thread has degenerated to the
point where no one even knows what the hell it's about.

I said the Montoya hype was silly because:

A. He hasn't won anything yet.

B. His defesive move on Schumacher was crap.

C. His remarks towards Schumacher afterward were childish.

Even Gerhard Berger said Montoya screwed up.

Now, Montoya is complaining about the way he's being treated at BMW. No
wonder he plays GPL.

David G Fisher


Gregor Vebl

Montoya Hype

by Gregor Vebl » Sat, 19 May 2001 05:06:45

I couldn't really quite figure out what the whole deal was about to this
point, but the below quote is very much explanatory ;).

-Gregor


> Now, Montoya is complaining about the way he's being treated at BMW. No
> wonder he plays GPL.

Gerry Aitke

Montoya Hype

by Gerry Aitke » Sat, 19 May 2001 05:28:00


> I couldn't really quite figure out what the whole deal was about to this
> point, but the below quote is very much explanatory ;).

> -Gregor


> > Now, Montoya is complaining about the way he's being treated at BMW. No
> > wonder he plays GPL.

That would be it then ;).

Gerry

Gerry Aitke

Montoya Hype

by Gerry Aitke » Sat, 19 May 2001 05:34:08


> God, you GPL guys are idiots. I never said Montoya tried to take Schumacher
> off the track. Schumacher said that.

Who said you said that then?

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