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Andre

For me JPM's defensive line was perfectly legit. He then lost it on the
dirty side of the circuit however, which was a mistake, no question. I'm
sure he himself would have liked to stayed in control and level with
Schumacher untill they actually turned in, making the turn more or less
"legally" his.

It didn't happen that way and Micheal was too committed to making a
challenge to the outside to miss JPM and slip through behind as Barichello,
Verstappen and Coulthard did. Whether JPM would still have gone as deep and
lost it had Schumacher braked slightly earlier in order to have that option
is an open question. Again, it just didn't happen that way and, personally,
I find blaming the incident on the new guy fairly unbecoming of the
triple(?) World Champion.

Never mind that racing incident... how about the "slick" teamwork on behalf
of Ferrari near the end? -Ok, if they want to favor Michael, fair enough,
but surely they could have done something less conspicuous? Commentator
Philip Verellen called the team "a dirty bunch of cowards" on national
television when he saw the move. Was it Barichello sulking or did they
really think both drivers could pass Coulthard until it was too late?

Jan.
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"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

Barichello was closer to Coulthard, and therefore had a better chance
of overtaking him. And it would be more beneficial to Michael than
the swap they did. He could have let Michael past earlier to let
Michael try to overtake Coulthard, but Michael would first have to
catch up with Coulthard which could mean a lap where you couldn't
exploit a mistake by Coultard.
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  -asbjxrn

here is another quote, by 'the other' Schumacher at the press conference
(from www.formula1.com ):

'I was a little bit upset obviously because there was no way he could
make that corner and all he was trying to do is to take me with him out
of the circuit. And, I mean he was lost anyway, and to do something to
me, I thought it wasn't really what he should have done, because I had
to go into the grass, I couldn't turn in. I nearly hit him.'

Basically, he accused Montoya of deliberately trying to push him off the
track. Sure, J.P.M. made a mistake, we all saw that, but it was hardly a
deliberate effort. Surely not a comment a current World Champion should
make.

In this context, I hardly find Montoya's remarks childish, especially
since he accuses M.S. of the mind games the German is actually quite
keen of playing (think of his downplaying of Coulthard's chances for the
title). To see that indeed Montoya is not by nature acting childishly,
just think about how he reacted to the incomprehensible Verstappen
incident in Brazil. There he set an example for the whole sport to
follow.

And I'm saying this even though I am quite fond of the German and his
style.

-Gregor

P.S.: Where did you find the Berger quote, I'd love to read the whole
story.

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Well IMHO MS was ahead of JPM at the point where both had to start
breaking to make it through the corner - JPM however didn't break but
kept going and spinned off.

Why should MS have breaked earlier? HE was slow enough to make the
corner.

I guess that's the way it is when you have a dedicated #1 driver.
Cowards? Hehe.. well just tactics I'd think: put pressure on DC and hope
that he'll make a mistake - then let #1 pass in the last corner.

Regards
Martin

Schimacher COULD - if he'd used his brain, slowed down, watched montoya
slide of the road - THEN pull across onto the line and driven away in the
lead

Schumacher CLEARLY saw the problem - he swerved once, but didnt slow down.

Montoya's mistake was to brake too late - and he took himself off as a
results

BUT

Schumacher decided to join him

Incidentally - what the hell sort of difference does it make if its the
world champioon overtaking you or anyone else?

Doug

   Wow, spoiling *and* trolling, all in one post!  Busy man...

   What's the matter, David, gotten tired of discussing that new F1RC
patch?  ;)

"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

OK, Montoya made a mistake. But it's not in the nature of any racing
driver to admit it.

Also, anyone who attempts to overtake around the outside of a corner
like that is taking a big risk - that's why it's always looked on as a
brave thing to do - you're relying on the driver inside not to slide
wide.

Schumacher took the risk and it didn't come off. No point in moaning
about it.

- Michael

<SNIP>

You are the first to post anything to this newsgroup about Montoya,
YOU ***ING IDIOT!

  That turn reminds me alot of the last race of the season, several years
ago, when Jacques V. Caught and passed MS(and thereby clinched the
Championship--Mika's first win also I believe).  Same kind of situation
except MS never locked up, never lost control, he just turned left instead
of right....right into JV!
 dave henrie

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Gerry