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N2002: Linear steering?

bernard spilma

N2002: Linear steering?

by bernard spilma » Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:12:41

Which linear steering setting is closest to reality?
Thanks.
WS
Tom Osbo

N2002: Linear steering?

by Tom Osbo » Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:16:04

Been trying to figure this out also, I am using an ECCI and I am not sure
what people are running.

Peter Ive

N2002: Linear steering?

by Peter Ive » Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:43:30



Been through a whole loada different settings when I changed over from
using a joystick to a wheel 'bout a year back.  The joystick settings in
GPL at the time were about 2/3rds non-linear and it took me some time -
and plenty of frustration - to move from that to a more linear setting
with a wheel.   It wasn't until I went full linear that my steering
control became more 'with it', almost as if it allowed me to react
quicker to what I was dealing with on screen and what I could hear.

With that, when I bought N2k2 I immediately set it to full linear and
have not had a problem driving the cars.  Was using the fast setups
from day 1, with no probs.

So I recommend 'Full Linear'!!!  :)
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jason moy

N2002: Linear steering?

by jason moy » Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:54:49

On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:12:41 GMT, "bernard spilman"


>Which linear steering setting is closest to reality?

I'm assuming since you want realistic you're using a wheel. =)

Full-linear is the only way to go if you have a good usb wheel.  Full
linear means that when you move your wheel, you're moving the virtual
wheel in the virtual car.

That said, I've owned wheels in the past (particularly my Logitech
Wingman) which were too jittery to use full linear.  

My recommendation for setting the linearity is to make sure you have
the wheel drawn in the***pit view so you can see what sort of
response you're getting to input.  Crank the linear slider to full
linear, and then lower it until the wheel stops twitching.

FWIW, with a MS Sidewinder Pro I get no twitching at full linear, so
if you have a reasonably good USB wheel you should be ok.

Jason

floyd

N2002: Linear steering?

by floyd » Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:50:01

Remember that linearity is the delay between when you move the controller,
and when the game reacts.  100% linearity would be realistic, but it would
work best with controllers with long ranges of motion (like a high-quality
wheel/pedals).  0% would be the longest delay between controller movement
and game reaction (but better for joysticks, etc)

With a steering wheel, I would start at 50% and go up from there.  When it
gets too twitchy, back off a little bit.  I feel that the more linearity,
the more control you have over the car.  So try to work up as high as you
can.  I'm currently running 80% with my Act-Labs setup


Stev

N2002: Linear steering?

by Stev » Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:05:44

I use 100% on my Momo. If it gets too twitchy you can always change the
steering ration.

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bernard spilma

N2002: Linear steering?

by bernard spilma » Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:24:43

Thanks for all the replys. I had my stuff almost totally non-linear. Now, at
100%
linearity (MS Wheel, non-ff) the difference is amazing! I can finally drive
in tight packs; seems to tighten up the steering. Thanks again.
WS
Eldre

N2002: Linear steering?

by Eldre » Sat, 20 Jul 2002 04:52:24



>With that, when I bought N2k2 I immediately set it to full linear and
>have not had a problem driving the cars.  Was using the fast setups
>from day 1, with no probs.

>So I recommend 'Full Linear'!!!  :)

I can't run full linear - I find the car gets too 'twitchy', and I can't
control it.  I've dropped it a couple clicks - maybe 95%.

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Eldre

N2002: Linear steering?

by Eldre » Sat, 20 Jul 2002 04:52:24


Never though of that.  I'd disabled the wheel view, because I found it
distracting...  I'll have to check that again.

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Joachim Trens

N2002: Linear steering?

by Joachim Trens » Sat, 20 Jul 2002 07:14:01

I would think that's not easy to say as in the real world, non-linear
steering can be used as well and we don't know whether or which team or
driver uses it, and using which ratio. Unless someone can confirm that real
Nascars never use non-linear steering or always use the same. I'm not sure
whether the front axle geometry can add certain amounts of non-linearity as
well, which would make it even more difficult.

Add to that the fact that different controllers may have different
characteristics as well, which would make it even more difficult to
determine which setting to use to get the correct 'real-world'-effect.

I personally use an LWFF with the Linearity slider at either 0% or 1% (I
keep changing it between the two because sometimes I like one setting,
sometimes I like the other).

Achim


Joachim Trens

N2002: Linear steering?

by Joachim Trens » Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:13:21

I take it that the 0% setting (fully to the left) is 'linear', and the 100%
setting (fully to the right) is 'non-linear'?

Achim


bernard spilma

N2002: Linear steering?

by bernard spilma » Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:14:53

I believe the opposite is true. I'd better make sure. I remember
the ends of the slider were marked "Linear" and "non-Linear" though.
WS

Steve Bycrof

N2002: Linear steering?

by Steve Bycrof » Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:33:49

I've got an ECCI too. I always run 100% linearity in NR2002 and GPL. The
only time I notice any twitch is when it's time to change pots...

Steve Bycroft


> Been trying to figure this out also, I am using an ECCI and I am not sure
> what people are running.


> > Which linear steering setting is closest to reality?
> > Thanks.
> > WS

Joachim Trens

N2002: Linear steering?

by Joachim Trens » Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:59:25

I think the labels are on the wrong side.

With the slider to the right, the steering reacts far less to movements
around the center. With the slider to the left, it's far twitchier around
center. That's usually the consequence of a high linearity (i.e. movement on
wheel equals wheel lock more or less, depending on lock setting in garage
setup).

Achim


Don Burnett

N2002: Linear steering?

by Don Burnett » Sat, 20 Jul 2002 07:18:38

I use my Momo with 100%, and really crank the steering ratio down, I like
moving the wheel as little as possible.

Don Burnette



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