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1.30 @ monza

oz

1.30 @ monza

by oz » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:09:16

why ,why why cant I break this barrier?

frustrated.
oz.

Ashley McConnel

1.30 @ monza

by Ashley McConnel » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:38:19

Oz,

Probably you are trying to hard, I am no Monza expert (1:28:57), but you
should concentrate on getting the corner smooth, slightly slower than you
think you should and concentrate on getting speed OUT of the corner you will
definitely be able to break 1:30

Also try practicing at a few other circuits - eg. Watkins Glen, cause its
short and fun :)

Good Luck
Ash


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oz

1.30 @ monza

by oz » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 19:24:46

I think then its lesmos 1 + 2 that catch me out
i'll try tonite....but slower..and see what happens
cheers
oz

> Oz,

> Probably you are trying to hard, I am no Monza expert (1:28:57), but you
> should concentrate on getting the corner smooth, slightly slower than you
> think you should and concentrate on getting speed OUT of the corner you
will
> definitely be able to break 1:30

> Also try practicing at a few other circuits - eg. Watkins Glen, cause its
> short and fun :)

> Good Luck
> Ash



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> | frustrated.
> | oz.
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Kevin Clar

1.30 @ monza

by Kevin Clar » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 19:44:08


> I think then its lesmos 1 + 2 that catch me out
> i'll try tonite....but slower..and see what happens
> cheers

Load your best lap and a 1.28 into GPL replay analyser
http://home.bip.net/martin/gplra/

It'll help you see straight away where you're losing time. Lesmo sounds
likely (try using 3rd gear out of lesmo 2. More traction less
wheelspin). Also exiting parabolica is likely too. I'd be able to get
into the 1.27's if I could get out of there faster :(

One more thing, which car? I have to thrash the knackers off the ferrari
to get a gnats under 1.30 but I can run low 29's all day in the lotus
and eagle.

Kev (1.28.41 - Got a replay if you want it)

oz

1.30 @ monza

by oz » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 19:54:39

so whats the best all round car?

and if you can send me your replay i would be greatful.
oz
One more thing, which car? I have to thrash the knackers off the ferrari

Kevin Clar

1.30 @ monza

by Kevin Clar » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 20:04:03

The ferrari is one of the best all round cars but it just lacks a bit of
top end speed at monza. Although, of course, there are people who run
28's in the ferrari too. (the cooper monza world record is 1.28.75!!!)

I've got pb's in different cars at different tracks. I can't drive the
lotus at zandy to save my life but I find it works best for me at monza.

On it's way

Kev

Simon Brow

1.30 @ monza

by Simon Brow » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 20:14:13

Also braking is very important.  If you brake too hard and lock the brakes
it disrupts the car, which will affect your turn-in and over time will make
you nervous and uncertain about braking.  If the brakes lock you're braking
too hard, you only need to gently squeeze the brakes.  Actually if the tires
squeel you're braking too hard as well.

Obviously lesmo 2 is a big corner at Monza, because it's followed by a very
fast section, so your exit from lesmo 2 is very important.  The key to
getting a good exit is to get your speed and position right in the middle of
the corner.  It's very easy to go into lesmo 2 too fast.

Also make sure you are taking Ascari flat out, and try to keep the car
pointed to the inside of the track at the turn in for T1.


oz

1.30 @ monza

by oz » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 20:50:54

I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have throttle and
brake help on....will this be slowing me down also?
I can drive with both switched off , but im a lot more confident driving
with them on.....
and I sometimes end up facing the wrong way coming out of lesmos 2!damn to
much throttle again!

> Also braking is very important.  If you brake too hard and lock the brakes
> it disrupts the car, which will affect your turn-in and over time will
make
> you nervous and uncertain about braking.  If the brakes lock you're
braking
> too hard, you only need to gently squeeze the brakes.  Actually if the
tires
> squeel you're braking too hard as well.

> Obviously lesmo 2 is a big corner at Monza, because it's followed by a
very
> fast section, so your exit from lesmo 2 is very important.  The key to
> getting a good exit is to get your speed and position right in the middle
of
> the corner.  It's very easy to go into lesmo 2 too fast.

> Also make sure you are taking Ascari flat out, and try to keep the car
> pointed to the inside of the track at the turn in for T1.



> > I think then its lesmos 1 + 2 that catch me out
> > i'll try tonite....but slower..and see what happens
> > cheers
> > oz

Jim Seamu

1.30 @ monza

by Jim Seamu » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 21:02:15


Yep, these are probably costing you a couple of seconds a lap at least. Turn
'em off!

Jim

Kevin Clar

1.30 @ monza

by Kevin Clar » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 21:18:04


> I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have throttle and
> brake help on....will this be slowing me down also?

DOH!
You should have said that earlier. :)
TURN THEM OFF!
They're costing you loads of time and interfere the the GPLness of being
at one with the car (man).

3rd gear and gentle on the gas.

Kev



> > Also braking is very important.  If you brake too hard and lock the brakes
> > it disrupts the car, which will affect your turn-in and over time will
> make
> > you nervous and uncertain about braking.  If the brakes lock you're
> braking
> > too hard, you only need to gently squeeze the brakes.  Actually if the
> tires
> > squeel you're braking too hard as well.

> > Obviously lesmo 2 is a big corner at Monza, because it's followed by a
> very
> > fast section, so your exit from lesmo 2 is very important.  The key to
> > getting a good exit is to get your speed and position right in the middle
> of
> > the corner.  It's very easy to go into lesmo 2 too fast.

> > Also make sure you are taking Ascari flat out, and try to keep the car
> > pointed to the inside of the track at the turn in for T1.



> > > I think then its lesmos 1 + 2 that catch me out
> > > i'll try tonite....but slower..and see what happens
> > > cheers
> > > oz

Matt Lanze

1.30 @ monza

by Matt Lanze » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 21:34:39

How long have you been playing GPL?
If you haven't gotten your time under 1:30, and you've been playing the
game for over a year... Give up.
Then try to get under 1:06 at the Glen. ;)

If you've only been playing a few months or so, keep goin', baby... GPL
has a lot to teach you!

Warlock!


> why ,why why cant I break this barrier?

> frustrated.
> oz.

Laurence Wilme

1.30 @ monza

by Laurence Wilme » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 21:30:17



> > I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have
throttle and
> > brake help on....will this be slowing me down also?

> DOH!
> You should have said that earlier. :)
> TURN THEM OFF!
> They're costing you loads of time and interfere the the GPLness of
being
> at one with the car (man).

But be warned, you can't expect to jump in the car with braking help
turned off for the first time and run sub 1:30s at Monza. Learning to
brake smoothly with a pedal that gives you no feedback is a major part
of the GPL challenge. You will be much slower initially - prepare to
start again from scratch!
--
Laurence Wilmer

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Herbert Pohl

1.30 @ monza

by Herbert Pohl » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 21:31:42



>I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have throttle and
>brake help on....will this be slowing me down also?
>I can drive with both switched off , but im a lot more confident driving
>with them on.....
>and I sometimes end up facing the wrong way coming out of lesmos 2!damn to
>much throttle again!

Wow... you have the helps on, and can make it near 1:30? Great!
Try to learn accelerating out of turns without help, you can get
much more acceleration. Same for braking..
Sub-1:30 should be yours as soon as you manage a lotus or eagle without
helps.
btw: I have seen many cars pointing into wrong direction after lesmos
in online races (including my own ;)

   Calis

oz

1.30 @ monza

by oz » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 21:34:22

***!




> > > I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have
> throttle and
> > > brake help on....will this be slowing me down also?

> > DOH!
> > You should have said that earlier. :)
> > TURN THEM OFF!
> > They're costing you loads of time and interfere the the GPLness of
> being
> > at one with the car (man).

> But be warned, you can't expect to jump in the car with braking help
> turned off for the first time and run sub 1:30s at Monza. Learning to
> brake smoothly with a pedal that gives you no feedback is a major part
> of the GPL challenge. You will be much slower initially - prepare to
> start again from scratch!
> --
> Laurence Wilmer

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oz

1.30 @ monza

by oz » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 21:44:06

So its time for an all new GPL experience........bring it on!

so how much will my braking distance be reduce by?
oz.




> >I know it sounds like the easy option(and it is), but I have throttle and
> >brake help on....will this be slowing me down also?
> >I can drive with both switched off , but im a lot more confident driving
> >with them on.....
> >and I sometimes end up facing the wrong way coming out of lesmos 2!damn
to
> >much throttle again!

> Wow... you have the helps on, and can make it near 1:30? Great!
> Try to learn accelerating out of turns without help, you can get
> much more acceleration. Same for braking..
> Sub-1:30 should be yours as soon as you manage a lotus or eagle without
> helps.
> btw: I have seen many cars pointing into wrong direction after lesmos
> in online races (including my own ;)

>    Calis


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