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Andre Warrin

1.30 @ monza

by Andre Warrin » Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:39:53


Eldred, the 'wandering' of the car on a straight can also be setup
dependant.. A couple of days ago I mailed you my Monza replay with
Leonardo Grandis' Monza setup. Try that one, do you also have the
wandering with that setup? If yes, then there is a problem with your
wheel I think, because that setup doesn't result in wandering on my
system.
This could be interesting Eldred..

Andre

Eldre

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by Eldre » Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:04:46


writes:


>> Actually...uh, no...  Is that what would cause that?  I thought that was
>only
>> if you had the 'shaky' arm phenomenon.  Shit...
>> <stares intently at feet>
>> Maybe I'll try that...we'll see what happens...  Not that I expect to
>suddenly
>> be able to drive fast...  :)

>I sense another posting soon regarding a negative GPLRank, by our own
>St. Eldred.  ;-)

Don't hold your breath, Chuck...<g>  You going to the Free Prix day?

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by Eldre » Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:04:46


I haven't tried it yet.  That was a Lotus setup, right?  I had two league races
I needed to practice for.  One was at Brands Hatch, which I *hate*.  My Monza
league race this past week was in an Eagle, which I needed practice on.  I'll
try it this week.

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by Uncle Feste » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 01:44:07


> Don't hold your breath, Chuck...<g>  You going to the Free Prix day?

Absolutely!  My vacation starts at 10pm tonight when I get off work.
Just hope it cools off some for Friday...  :-/

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:13:20

Ok, I just tried Leonardo's setup.  Straight out of the box, I kept spinning on
the first lap.  Finally got 2 laps put together, but the car was all over the
place(I would have been pulled over for drunk driving...).  Laptimes(including
outlap) - 1:51, 1:31.9, 1:31.6.  I ran CTFJ and changed the deadzone from the
10% that it was to 5%.  Tried the setup again.  1:44, 1:39, 1:44, 1:32.
Better, but not comfortable.  The car swapped ends on braking at Para the first
three laps.  Loaded up Alison's setting that I changed to a 18:1 ratio.  1:35,
1:30.8, 1:30.1.  Although I just realized while posting this that I should have
tried the first setup again, but maybe changed the steering ratio.  I don't
think that would have helped the braking, though.
What's your linearity set at?  Mine is set under the 'E'.  Also, what's your
deadzone set at?

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by Asbj?rn Bj?rnst » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:01:21


> I ran CTFJ and changed the deadzone from the 10% that it was to 5%.

Having any deadzone at all will give you a wandering car. Try setting
it to 0%.
This is my problem with F1RC. It seems impossible to get rid of the
deadzone (It feels that way, but looking at the on-screen steering
wheel while turning the wheel there seems to be no deadzone, weird.),
and I get a wandering car on the straights and unpredictable turn-in.
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by Uncle Feste » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:44:39


> >Eldred, the 'wandering' of the car on a straight can also be setup
> >dependant.. A couple of days ago I mailed you my Monza replay with
> >Leonardo Grandis' Monza setup. Try that one, do you also have the
> >wandering with that setup? If yes, then there is a problem with your
> >wheel I think, because that setup doesn't result in wandering on my
> >system.
> >This could be interesting Eldred..

> Ok, I just tried Leonardo's setup.  Straight out of the box, I kept spinning on
> the first lap.  Finally got 2 laps put together, but the car was all over the
> place(I would have been pulled over for drunk driving...).  Laptimes(including
> outlap) - 1:51, 1:31.9, 1:31.6.  I ran CTFJ and changed the deadzone from the
> 10% that it was to 5%.  Tried the setup again.  1:44, 1:39, 1:44, 1:32.
> Better, but not comfortable.  The car swapped ends on braking at Para the first
> three laps.  Loaded up Alison's setting that I changed to a 18:1 ratio.  1:35,
> 1:30.8, 1:30.1.  Although I just realized while posting this that I should have
> tried the first setup again, but maybe changed the steering ratio.  I don't
> think that would have helped the braking, though.
> What's your linearity set at?  Mine is set under the 'E'.  Also, what's your
> deadzone set at?

SET THAT DEADZONE TO 0!!  Sorry to yell.... carry on.  <g>  Don't know
about anybody else, but I run full linear.

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Thom j

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by Thom j » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:12:04

Jeeez UF my eyes hurt...lol Me too..

| SET THAT DEADZONE TO 0!!  Sorry to yell.... carry on.  <g>  Don't know
| about anybody else, but I run full linear.
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Andre Warrin

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by Andre Warrin » Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:01:36


Linearity completely to the left. And it was a while ago that I played
with the deadzone settings, but I vaguely remember using DXTweak to
alter the deadzone and using 2 variables -2 and -2 somewhere.
I'm at work atm so I can't check it for you.

The setup from L.Grandis is ofcourse more difficult to handle than for
example Alison's setups, Leonardo drives a 1:26.49 with this one, so I
can imagine this setup is a tad more difficult for you than Alison's
setup. Brake bias is more to the rear so you have to brake real
carefully and press the throttle just a little bit under braking to
stabilize the car.
But the point I was curious about was: does the car weave on the
straight, after Ascari for example? On my system it doesn't, as you
can see in my replay.

Too bad you live so far away, I'd love to test your system to see if
you have been driving with a bad system setup..
Perhaps you can visit a GPL'er in your neighbourhood to test GPL on
his system to see if there are any differences?
A friend of mine has allmost the same system as me, same wheel, but he
hasn't fine-tuned his settings and I'm 1-2 seconds slower on Monza on
his system..
Do check out Nunnini's and Alison's site, they are full with system
setup tips (I remember I got my deadzone tweaks from
www.simracingmag.com).

Andre

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by Eldre » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:41:06


Man, full linear would drive me crazy, I think...

Yes, quite a bit.

1-2 seconds sounds like a LOT of time at Monza...

I'll see what I can find.

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by Eldre » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:41:06


(Asbj?rn Bj?rnstad) writes:

>> I ran CTFJ and changed the deadzone from the 10% that it was to 5%.

>Having any deadzone at all will give you a wandering car. Try setting
>it to 0%.
>This is my problem with F1RC. It seems impossible to get rid of the
>deadzone (It feels that way, but looking at the on-screen steering
>wheel while turning the wheel there seems to be no deadzone, weird.),
>and I get a wandering car on the straights and unpredictable turn-in.
>--

My onscreen wheel in GPL didn't show a deadzone either.  I was surprized when I
saw 10% - I thought that was a bit high...

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by Jim Seamu » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:17:57

I use full linear as well, someone told me during my first week of GPL'ing
that that gave better control of the car. I think once you're used to one
way though the other way seems impossible, no matter which you're used to.
Erm, hope that made sense...

Jim



(Andre
> Warringa) writes:

> >Linearity completely to the left. And it was a while ago that I played
> >with the deadzone settings, but I vaguely remember using DXTweak to
> >alter the deadzone and using 2 variables -2 and -2 somewhere.
> >I'm at work atm so I can't check it for you.

> Man, full linear would drive me crazy, I think...

> >The setup from L.Grandis is ofcourse more difficult to handle than for
> >example Alison's setups, Leonardo drives a 1:26.49 with this one, so I
> >can imagine this setup is a tad more difficult for you than Alison's
> >setup. Brake bias is more to the rear so you have to brake real
> >carefully and press the throttle just a little bit under braking to
> >stabilize the car.
> >But the point I was curious about was: does the car weave on the
> >straight, after Ascari for example? On my system it doesn't, as you
> >can see in my replay.

> Yes, quite a bit.

> >Too bad you live so far away, I'd love to test your system to see if
> >you have been driving with a bad system setup..
> >Perhaps you can visit a GPL'er in your neighbourhood to test GPL on
> >his system to see if there are any differences?
> >A friend of mine has allmost the same system as me, same wheel, but he
> >hasn't fine-tuned his settings and I'm 1-2 seconds slower on Monza on
> >his system..

> 1-2 seconds sounds like a LOT of time at Monza...

> >Do check out Nunnini's and Alison's site, they are full with system
> >setup tips (I remember I got my deadzone tweaks from
> >www.simracingmag.com).

> I'll see what I can find.

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Peter Ive

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by Peter Ive » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:56:37




>> I ran CTFJ and changed the deadzone from the 10% that it was to 5%.

>Having any deadzone at all will give you a wandering car. Try setting
>it to 0%.
>This is my problem with F1RC. It seems impossible to get rid of the
>deadzone (It feels that way, but looking at the on-screen steering
>wheel while turning the wheel there seems to be no deadzone, weird.),
>and I get a wandering car on the straights and unpredictable turn-in.

I don't get this, can someone please explain.  To me, having a deadzone
should 'prevent' a wandering car because it gives you more play on your
steering wheel before it moves far enough to go off straight.  Therefore
you can keep the onscreen wheels straight easier whereas, with no
deadzone, I would imagine it to very difficult to keep the wheels
completely straight causing the car to wander.
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Eldre

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by Eldre » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 04:43:49



>I use full linear as well, someone told me during my first week of GPL'ing
>that that gave better control of the car. I think once you're used to one
>way though the other way seems impossible, no matter which you're used to.
>Erm, hope that made sense...

Actually, it does.  :-)

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by Eldre » Sat, 16 Jun 2001 04:43:49



>I don't get this, can someone please explain.  To me, having a deadzone
>should 'prevent' a wandering car because it gives you more play on your
>steering wheel before it moves far enough to go off straight.  Therefore
>you can keep the onscreen wheels straight easier whereas, with no
>deadzone, I would imagine it to very difficult to keep the wheels
>completely straight causing the car to wander.

I used to think the same way as you - that's why I never worried about deadzone
before.
The way I understand(now) it is this:  The car naturally wants to deviate from
the straight line because of engine torque, camber, etc.  Having a large
deadzone in the steering means that your minor corrections to the car's
direction take longer to show up.  This makes the corrections seem MAJOR, and
you're constantly 'chasing' the car.  With little(or no) deadzone, the
corrections are almost subconscious, thus not noticable.  
Chuck, Andre - is that how it works?

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