1.30 @ monza

by **Super Dav** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:23:05

With practice comes knowledge... of what works and what doesn't.
Obviously doing the same thing over and over won't get you anywhere.

Laps are like snow flakes - no two are the same.

Wooo.. I'm starting to scare myself :) Best of luck.

Dave

>>Lots of practice is the only way to get faster.

>>I can do a 1:30.59 at Monza with a keyboard using the default Eagle
>>setup. How? Practice.

>>Don't give up.

>No offense, but lots of practice in and of itself won't make you any faster.
>Trust me - I've turned more laps this week(I took a week off from work) than I
>have in the past 2 MONTHS. It hasn't helped. If I'm doing the same things as
>always, I'm only practicing being slow... Problem is, doing something
>different throws me off the track. I haven't figured out that 'zen' thing yet.

>Eldred

by **Thom j** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 09:46:45

Thank you all mighty master... lol Sorry I just couldnt resist...
It's that damm wrotten Lucifer getting in me again.. phew.. :-)

| With practice comes knowledge... of what works and what doesn't.
| Obviously doing the same thing over and over won't get you anywhere.
| Laps are like snow flakes - no two are the same.
| Wooo.. I'm starting to scare myself :) Best of luck.
| Dave

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by **Eldre** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:39:31

Sure it was - I went from 8:36 at the Ring to 8:32. That's a small amout for
such a long track, but I really don't know *how* I could have done it faster.
I was barely*** on as it WAS...

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by **Eldre** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:39:31

>Practice *does* make perfect Eldred, but it takes longer sometimes than
>others. Don't forget to use Replay Analyser LOADS to compare your laps with
>someone a couple of seconds faster, and then when you figure out where you
>can push harder, get straight back into GPL and do so!

>Setups are worth spending 10 minutes on but NO MORE than 10 minutes - best
>way is to make sure you steal the gear ratios from a hotlapper and then use
>whatever other settings feel comfortable to you, leastways that's what
>someone much much faster than me told me the other day and it seems to make
>sense...

I don't muck around with the setups - no skill. The only thing I really change
is move the steering ratio. Most of the setups I find are 15:1. I have to set
it to 18:1, or I'm all over the straights...

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by **Eldre** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 12:52:57

>Thank you all mighty master... lol Sorry I just couldnt resist...
>It's that damm wrotten Lucifer getting in me again.. phew.. :-)

Lucifer, huh? Send him my way, wouldja? I need to talk to him about me
getting faster. Maybe we could arrange a deal...:)

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by **Eldre** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 12:52:58

>Don't neglect the "watch how others do it" technique. In training I will
>download replays from hotlap sites and alternate between watching that
>replay and watching mine, to see where he's faster. On line during
>qualifying (or after I crash out or get tired) I will often "ride along"
>with a fast guy on the server.

Yeah, I do that a lot, too. I usually watch the 1st or 2nd qualifier.

I haven't seen anything that I'm able to use yet. Most of the guys can put the
car in places that I can't. It still amazes me to watch a talented driver lap
a BRM 3-4 seconds faster than I can in ANY car...<whew!>

Yep, that's usually what I see - a continous line.

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by **Thom j** » Sun, 10 Jun 2001 13:16:08

So you'll sell yer soul for a better GPLRank...eh?? You cant be that
obsessed, Can Ya E..? phew...lol

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| getting faster. Maybe we could arrange a deal...:)

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by **Eldre** » Mon, 11 Jun 2001 04:10:21

>So you'll sell yer soul for a better GPLRank...eh?? You cant be that
>obsessed, Can Ya E..? phew...lol

>| Lucifer, huh? Send him my way, wouldja? I need to talk to him about me
>| getting faster. Maybe we could arrange a deal...:)

Well, I'm not USING my soul right now...<g>

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by **Andre Warrin** » Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:17:47

Wow- what wheel do you have Eldred? I mostly use 13:1.
Martijn 'Solitude' Taffer uses 7:1, but that's a bit too extreme for
me :)

Andre

by **Kevin Clar** » Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:02:25

> >I don't muck around with the setups - no skill. The only thing I really change
> >is move the steering ratio. Most of the setups I find are 15:1. I have to set
> >it to 18:1, or I'm all over the straights...

> Wow- what wheel do you have Eldred? I mostly use 13:1.
> Martijn 'Solitude' Taffer uses 7:1, but that's a bit too extreme for
> me :)

> Andre

Eldred, a really simple way to improve the handling without getting into
the complexities is to add or subtract a little from the roll bars. If
it's understeering either take 10 off the front or put 10 on the back.
Opposite for oversteer. It really makes a marked difference. If you're
changing your setups by purely adjusting the steering rack you're
basically just fudging over a setup that still doesn't work right.
Surely it's better to get the setup working properly for you rather than
against you.

Kev

by **Eldre** » Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:54:53

>> >I don't muck around with the setups - no skill. The only thing I really
>change
>> >is move the steering ratio. Most of the setups I find are 15:1. I have
>to set
>> >it to 18:1, or I'm all over the straights...

>> Wow- what wheel do you have Eldred? I mostly use 13:1.
>> Martijn 'Solitude' Taffer uses 7:1, but that's a bit too extreme for
>> me :)

>> Andre

>Eldred, a really simple way to improve the handling without getting into
>the complexities is to add or subtract a little from the roll bars. If
>it's understeering either take 10 off the front or put 10 on the back.
>Opposite for oversteer. It really makes a marked difference. If you're
>changing your setups by purely adjusting the steering rack you're
>basically just fudging over a setup that still doesn't work right.
>Surely it's better to get the setup working properly for you rather than
>against you.

Hmm...for some reason, I never saw Andre's question. I have a TSW2mod wheel,
connected to an LDPI game card. 13:1?!? I couldn't even get that setting out
of PIT LANE...
Ok, now Kevin's statement. Would the roll bar settings affect the car in a
straight line? I understand how they might affect turning, though. My problem
at a low ratio setting, the car 'wanders' on the straight. I may not be
explaining it right, but it's like I have to constantly correct the steering
just to go straight. Lower steering ratios make this too difficult.

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by **Jim Seamu** » Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:54:40

I'm very much a setup newbie but one of my GPL setup "crib sheets" says that
increasing the front toe-in gives "more straight line stability, more drag,
less grip in tight turns, never use negative toe-in at rear".

Don't know if that helps much Eldred, maybe if you look at several setups to
see what values other people use for front toe-in then you might find you
have a wacko setting?

HTH

Jim

by **Uncle Feste** » Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:29:02

> Hmm...for some reason, I never saw Andre's question. I have a TSW2mod wheel,
> connected to an LDPI game card. 13:1?!? I couldn't even get that setting out
> of PIT LANE...
> Ok, now Kevin's statement. Would the roll bar settings affect the car in a
> straight line? I understand how they might affect turning, though. My problem
> at a low ratio setting, the car 'wanders' on the straight. I may not be
> explaining it right, but it's like I have to constantly correct the steering
> just to go straight. Lower steering ratios make this too difficult.

Sounds like another case of a large dead zone to me. You have wiped it
out with DXTweak or CTFJ or some such, haven't you?

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by **Eldre** » Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:32:28

writes:

>> Hmm...for some reason, I never saw Andre's question. I have a TSW2mod
>wheel,
>> connected to an LDPI game card. 13:1?!? I couldn't even get that setting
>out
>> of PIT LANE...
>> Ok, now Kevin's statement. Would the roll bar settings affect the car in a
>> straight line? I understand how they might affect turning, though. My
>problem
>> at a low ratio setting, the car 'wanders' on the straight. I may not be
>> explaining it right, but it's like I have to constantly correct the
>steering
>> just to go straight. Lower steering ratios make this too difficult.

>Sounds like another case of a large dead zone to me. You have wiped it
>out with DXTweak or CTFJ or some such, haven't you?

Actually...uh, no... Is that what would cause that? I thought that was only
if you had the 'shaky' arm phenomenon. Shit...
<stares intently at feet>
Maybe I'll try that...we'll see what happens... Not that I expect to suddenly
be able to drive fast... :)

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by **Uncle Feste** » Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:54:39

> Actually...uh, no... Is that what would cause that? I thought that was only
> if you had the 'shaky' arm phenomenon. Shit...
> <stares intently at feet>
> Maybe I'll try that...we'll see what happens... Not that I expect to suddenly
> be able to drive fast... :)

I sense another posting soon regarding a negative GPLRank, by our own
St. Eldred. ;-)

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